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Didn't play that well at all but still could have won it. Will take that all day long. We can't play as well as we did v Norwich and Luton every game but if you can still make sure you don't lose (just!) then that's a result. Last minute change in defence won't have helped and Goode having a major wobbly at the start was unhelpful too. Keep picking up the points though that's all that matters..
 

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Not great but a point is a point. Bit of a Clive Thomas at the end by the ref saved us? Just got to turn over COLIN Saturday (y)
 

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I would have taken that before the game. They are a good side and we did well considering how injury ravaged we are at the moment. Lots of our team are playing with knocks. Toney, what can I say? The guy is good enough for England at the moment. And that’s with a strapped up knee.
 

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I would have taken that before the game. They are a good side and we did well considering how injury ravaged we are at the moment. Lots of our team are playing with knocks. Toney, what can I say? The guy is good enough for England at the moment. And that’s with a strapped up knee.
Lots of below par performances tonight and Da Silva, who's been top class recently, was nowhere near his best. Perhaps fatigue setting in as we haven't been able to freshen up the team much. I thought Goode's first half performance was alarming as he really didn't look Championship standard. I know players need time but he looks a pretty basic defender and looks nowhere near as good as Pinnock when he started last season in terms of his comfort on the ball
 

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Lots of below par performances tonight and Da Silva, who's been top class recently, was nowhere near his best. Perhaps fatigue setting in as we haven't been able to freshen up the team much. I thought Goode's first half performance was alarming as he really didn't look Championship standard. I know players need time but he looks a pretty basic defender and looks nowhere near as good as Pinnock when he started last season in terms of his comfort on the ball
They are running on fumes. This games programme is nuts and the season should have been extended a further month.
 

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Lots of below par performances tonight and Da Silva, who's been top class recently, was nowhere near his best. Perhaps fatigue setting in as we haven't been able to freshen up the team much. I thought Goode's first half performance was alarming as he really didn't look Championship standard. I know players need time but he looks a pretty basic defender and looks nowhere near as good as Pinnock when he started last season in terms of his comfort on the ball
Actually PInnock had a bit of a mare when he started so we should prob give Goode a bit of time too. Encouraging that he stuck at it and got over his early wobble.. Thought we were very slow on the ball at the back though which had been much improved recently with Pinnock and Sorenson.
 

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Going nowhere isn't it?
I mean, it's still top-half championship with a very solid base of young talent and not many overpaid cumbersome contracts.
 

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They are running on fumes. This games programme is nuts and the season should have been extended a further month.
Yep it's all a bit crazy really, and promotion is really probably going to be a case of survival of the fittest and more luck than judgment. On the other hand, get on a roll and you can rack up points quickly. We're not at our best, for sure - we can scratch around, but we'll need to string some results together if we really want to challenge...
 

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Note for our goal there was three players marking Mbeumos left leg when he passed to Jensen.
 

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Disappointing performance.

what does Fosu have to do to get a game?

Ghoddos and Canos were pretty poor last night, the former has got to stop throwing himself on the floor.

Goode kept getting the wrong side of the attackers but grew more into the game, but is clearly lacking in confidence. And has a bit of the 50p head about him - but I’ll assume that’s nerves.

Raya made some good stops, albeit the one from
Ayew he was in a bad posistion, but recovered well.

pinnock was immense. MOM.

EM was missing.

Bryan and Toney played well and huffed and puffed.

everyone else played OK.

Ayew is class at this level, smart movement and looks a threat at all times.

we move onto Saturday. A real chance to end this chunk of games on a high.
 

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They are running on fumes. This games programme is nuts and the season should have been extended a further month.
We can't extend a month with the Euro's in the summer.

Get something at Boro, International break coming up so no games for 2 weeks (internationals sadly taking our players). So 2 weeks off, Pontus and Norgaard nearer fitness, then Wycombe, Barnsley, QPR, Rotherham. I know it never quite works out like this but if we can get a win on Saturday it sets us up nicely for the next 4 slightly easier games, if we have aspirations to go up we have to win those games or at least get a haul of points.
 

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Not great but a point is a point. Bit of a Clive Thomas at the end by the ref saved us? Just got to turn over COLIN Saturday (y)
Looked very offside to me, he was standing 2 yards offside as thety do waiting for the defence to move back on delivery, it didn't and he looked yards off.
 

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Back four were poor at setting an offside line, Charlie and Henrik particularly at fault being the last man playing the attacker onside.

I don't think playing Sergi on the left is helping. To get to the next break in touch with top six is pretty good.
 

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Back four were poor at setting an offside line, Charlie and Henrik particularly at fault being the last man playing the attacker onside.

I don't think playing Sergi on the left is helping. To get to the next break in touch with top six is pretty good.
totally agree. He is a winger. Not an inside forward.

I would argue if you’re going to play Sergi and Bryan together they just switch wings.
 

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Good point. Extra days rest/coaching til the next biggy on Saturday, the last of the in-form teams in this little run. A nice break. New players bedding in. Goode visibly improving before our eyes. This could all work out quite nicely.
 

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Wasn't a great performance all round, lots of misplaced passes. Credit Swansea for high press which as usual makes our passing slow and often riskier. Its a tough league with some strange results from all sides to come. Getting a point against both Norwich & Swansea could be points gained than lost come the end of the season. Keep the belief and onwards and upwards.
 

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For all the fuss we’re well within touching distance of the autos and if Dalsgaard had been a bit more composed we’d have won both the Norwich and Swansea games. We looked tired yesterday and Goodes nerves at the start seemed to spread across the team. We didn’t play with any tempo and struggled to get out of our half. When we did we looked dangerous but it stopped happening in the second half. We need to be a bit more direct in these situations as Toney is more than capable with his back to goal..
 

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Well shock horror....they were better than us on the day. If David Raya hadn't been on top form we probably would have lost 3-1. A point was more than we deserved out of that one. Just my opinion but pleased to have got the point.
 

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Fair result, Swansea worked hard and got behind us. Ayew a threat throughout. Goal was soft again, neither Sergi or Canos came out of it well

Raya, Pinnock, RIco, Toney generally good, Josh, Jensen fine. Missing that spark up top if we are completely honest - we currently have a Said shaped hole
Clearly Sergi's problem is that he's bi-polar
 

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I do like Ayew as a player, think he's really important to Swansea. Fair result probably Swansea should have shaded it but not sure they can go up many levels while there's so much more to come from several of our players who haven't really hit their straps yet.
 

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Tough game against a good side who deserved their point and looked most likely to take all three. They look a better, more settled side than us at the moment, in contrast to the playoffs where I thought we proved how superior a side we were to them.

We aren't quite there yet and the better sides in the division have found us a little wanting. We badly miss Norgaard, he is key to how we play. We are at our best when we dominate the midfield, keep possession and work space down the flanks and get runners driving into the box. At the moment we just don't have that control to allow us to dictate games. For me if Norgaard is out then Janelt must play, we need a deep lying midfielder who can keep possession, the current three all want to receive the ball higher up the pitch, but we aren't seeing enough of the ball to find them.

The Championship takes no prisoners and it is a tough place to learn for the likes of Goode and Ghoddos who are yet to find their feet at this level. We know in the Championship that the first 10 games of a season have always been a bit of a struggle and our model means we always have to allow time for new players to adapt, it will come.

I understand the need for rotation with the fixture congestion and two games a week, but there has to be some flexibility to that surely. As per last week the Canos sub failed to make an impact and his reckless, frenetic style ending up giving away silly free kicks that led to the equaliser. This is definitely an area Frank can improve on, why he continually overlooks Fosu is anyone's guess.

We just need to hang in there and hopefully get a fully fit side back out on the pitch after the international break.
 

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I think that had we been at the top of our game, we'd have attacked them with a lot more penetration. But as everyone else has pointed out, they are running on fumes, which means less consistency. I think we'll find a lack of consistency amongst all teams in this division, and we need some of the fringe players to step up. However, as is often the case, if we're within touching distance by the end of the year, then we stand a great chance of pressing on. Players like Ghoddos and Goode need time to get used to the pace of the Championship. We've seen enough players spend some time to adapt to the league, and we need to be a bit patient with them. But players like Marcondes and Canos are having little positive effect on the game. Jensen comes in for a bit of stick at times, but he tends to affect games regularly, and I really believe he's a great asset to the team. But Marcondes continues to have 6/10 performances. That's not to say he's not trying, and there will be games where his runs or passing really pays off, but it's far too infrequent.
Sergi is popular but sadly not cutting it. He will probably have good time on the pitch over the course of this season, but I just don't see how he's really contributing on a regular basis. Again, he'll put in the odd good game, but he lacks consistency and confidence. Like most Bees fans, we hope that he sparks into form, affects games more positively on a regular basis, and he'll get his chances, but he's really not playing very well at the moment.
I'm currently not really sure about Mbeumo at the moment. He's a dangerous player, but I seem to expect him to overrun the ball almost every time he receives it and goes on a run, or 9 times out of 10, I really expect him to cut in onto his left foot, and it's way too obvious. Sure, his pace and assists make up for it, so I'm not really saying he doesn't deserve his place, but to improve and become a £20 million player, surely he needs to work on his game? In all honesty, in his current form, does he look like he's increased in value?
Finally, let's give Swansea their dues. They attacked really well and look to have stepped up a gear from the back end of last season. Good footballing side, with a class player in Ayew. They've learnt a bit from last season, and they faced a weakened Brentford team where we suffered from DaSilva being 5% under his normal game, which made a difference.
All I expect now, is that we keep in touch with the pacesetters, and I do expect all teams to suffer more in the second half of the season where squad management will be key. Consistency will be out of the window, so this season is going to be quite attritional.
The good thing is that we know we have another gear to move into, especially when we have key players returning. It'd be more frustrating had we played out of our skins with a full strength team.
 

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Note for our goal there was three players marking Mbeumos left leg when he passed to Jensen.
Good news in a way. Three of their men out of the game once he releases the ball. Looked to me like we'd been working on this. Have a look at the ground Jensen had to make up, and the intent he showed, in making that overlap. Mbeumo, for his part, drifted infield with the ball to create the space for Jensen's overlap. He knew he was coming... never even looked up as he slid him in. Then, with these three defenders tied up, the space in the box and our numbers in there both stack up in our favour once the cross comes in.
 

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totally agree. He is a winger. Not an inside forward.

I would argue if you’re going to play Sergi and Bryan together they just switch wings.
This would make a lot of sense but it would mean Bryan would shoot less and be even less inclined to go with his right foot. But he would be more likely to pass out wide and the combo with Rico would be excellent, Sergi might also be more comfortable with having Dalsgaard behind (and it would probably be good for HD).
 

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This would make a lot of sense but it would mean Bryan would shoot less and be even less inclined to go with his right foot. But he would be more likely to pass out wide and the combo with Rico would be excellent, Sergi might also be more comfortable with having Dalsgaard behind (and it would probably be good for HD).
Everything has its caveats. I would be playing Fosu ahead of Canos and maybe Ghoddos - who so far hasnt done enough.
 

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Disappointing not to win as always but at least we got a point which on balance was deserved outcome between two decent sides. Swansea are in good form and looked it, Bidwell has had a bit of a rebirth as a player as well. We looked sluggish at times but then again so did they. Other results went our way which means we haven't lost ground in the chase.

Its a very strange season and incredibly concentrated so we are going to have games like this when we just can't get our normal flowing game going and we just need to dig in. Canos epitomises this, very good one game and then off his game the next.

Onto Warnock and his horrible style of football, I am sure Vitaly is penciled in for this one and if Mads is back we will be better equipped to deal with them.
 

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Good news in a way. Three of their men out of the game once he releases the ball. Looked to me like we'd been working on this. Have a look at the ground Jensen had to make up, and the intent he showed, in making that overlap. Mbeumo, for his part, drifted infield with the ball to create the space for Jensen's overlap. He knew he was coming... never even looked up as he slid him in. Then, with these three defenders tied up, the space in the box and our numbers in there both stack up in our favour once the cross comes in.
Yes it looked like a ploy we’d been working on as when the ball came in you had both Toney and Marcondes busting a gut to get into the box to put it away.
 

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This would make a lot of sense but it would mean Bryan would shoot less and be even less inclined to go with his right foot. But he would be more likely to pass out wide and the combo with Rico would be excellent, Sergi might also be more comfortable with having Dalsgaard behind (and it would probably be good for HD).
It only makes sense if we play 4-4-2 with a 10 off the centre forward, otherwise I can't see any point in it, we'd be constantly outnumbered in the box.
 

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Myself I think we have just got to give Ghoddus time; just like we had to give NM time in that first season; players from abroad coming to a new country face a new language, a new everything and it is unrealistic to think that they can just walk into what some people say is the 5th best league in Europe and look as good as Ayew; I believe it was Arsene Wenger who said that Ghoddus was one of the best young strikers in Europe and he hasn't become a bad player just because he joined us

And more than this our brill DofF have been after him for yonks and I for one don't believe that that would be the case if they weren't convinced he wouldn't be real effective in the Championship.
 

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One other thing; a guys health is a guys health but Bryan seemingly got this appalling virus; the issue of Long Covid seems real on a national basis and this is one reason perhaps, not just because Ollie and Said have left, why he might not be as effective as he was before the shut down.
 

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the plus points were pinnock and rico who were excellent and jensen who was just behind.....raya 2 great saves too and toney of course for all round game..........the minuses, marcondes again, canos again, josh looked knackered and his passing was well off tonight, ghoddos poor, mbeumo ok for a bit but doesnt get involved enough......goode prob had the worst 20mins in the first half but got away with it and improved 2nd half but still looks way off the mark for this league......tf has looks of work to do to get us up to the sort of level we need for mboro and warnock on saturday
Three players that were not at the races,and i would agree with that,the same three players that have been so inconsistant so far this season. There is no way you can have three passengers playing in the same team and expect to win the game. These players need to be rested, and before anyone says we are at bare bones, put a couple of The b team in. Pretty sure they cant do worse.
 

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The schedule at is insane. It's like the Christmas period but all season. And every team, no matter how good they are, loses a game over Christmas. We will continue to lose probably one in four all season but as long as we keep picking up a decent return on the others we should be fine for the top six. At the moment we're doing that. I don't expect any eight game winning runs this season.
 

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Point gained. Move on.

No need to be overly negative about the result. Swansea prob in top gear and we arent out of 2nd............................... Still couldnt beat us.

Roberts my word what a little ****. Rolling and screaming like hes been shot................. then straight up to smash in a freekick. Embarrassing.
Haven't read the whole thread...yet! However Roberts IS a cheating b*****d. Twas him who got Rico wrongly sent off in the PO game last season. Both times rolled around as if pole axed, then got up and carried on as if nothing had happened. No wonder Bees players were incensed with him in the aftermath of the fk being awarded.
 

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Actually PInnock had a bit of a mare when he started so we should prob give Goode a bit of time too. Encouraging that he stuck at it and got over his early wobble.. Thought we were very slow on the ball at the back though which had been much improved recently with Pinnock and Sorenson.
Difference with Pinnock and Goode was that Pinnock had played in the Championship with Barnsley. Goode is 4th choice CB and looks miles off being ready, but got better as the game went on. I'm more concerned with further up the pitch.
 

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Difference with Pinnock and Goode was that Pinnock had played in the Championship with Barnsley. Goode is 4th choice CB and looks miles off being ready, but got better as the game went on. I'm more concerned with further up the pitch.
Pinnock hadn't played beyond League 1 but Goode was jumping from League 2 most recently. He played in League 1 previously though.
 

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Well I'm just pleased that we got a point out of that because when they scored the injury time "goal", I switched off in disgust. I've only just found out that it was disallowed!! 😁

At the time though I thought that Raya was not as close to his near post as he should have been when the free kick was taken, making it easier for Ayew to score. Having said that his two saves in the first half were a big reason that we got anything out of the match TBH.
 

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One other thing; a guys health is a guys health but Bryan seemingly got this appalling virus; the issue of Long Covid seems real on a national basis and this is one reason perhaps, not just because Ollie and Said have left, why he might not be as effective as he was before the shut down.
For what feels like the hundredth time, he was asymptomatic so NO symptoms. Players are given blood and fitness tests every day and wear all manner of monitoring equipment. If there was any drop in energy or fitness performance levels it would show up and he would be rested.

Read Bananas “why we make subs” thread and it explains how closely fitness and performance is monitored and why a top player running the game is sometimes subbed, it is because the results are showing tiredness and this could lead to potential injury.

if Bryans energy/fitness level have dropped due to long covid or just over playing the drop in performance would show.
 

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Well I'm just pleased that we got a point out of that because when they scored the injury time "goal", I switched off in disgust. I've only just found out that it was disallowed!! 😁

At the time though I thought that Raya was not as close to his near post as he should have been when the free kick was taken, making it easier for Ayew to score. Having said that his two saves in the first half were a big reason that we got anything out of the match TBH.
To be fair had Ayew been onside he wouldn’t have had a free header.
 

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Everything has its caveats. I would be playing Fosu ahead of Canos and maybe Ghoddos - who so far hasnt done enough.
just to play devils advocate, what has fosu done so far to deserve to be above canos and ghoddos?
 

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Pinnock hadn't played beyond League 1 but Goode was jumping from League 2 most recently. He played in League 1 previously though.
Pinnock played in the Championship for Barnsley, during their relegation season.
 

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Ayew was the difference. He gave us a torrid time. Last year we had a little magician who made the difference for us. The season will be long and hard. At the mo we aren't top 6 but injuries have hit us particularly Baptiste and Norgaard. Encouraging to see Mbeumo looking more like his old self. We need to hang onto the pack. IMO our biggest need is another mid player with experience. Maybe january?
 

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It only makes sense if we play 4-4-2 with a 10 off the centre forward, otherwise I can't see any point in it, we'd be constantly outnumbered in the box.
We're more fluid than that, in possession, aren't we? Certainly worked on one occasion last night. Don't have to be in the official "front two" to be allowed in the box. Not netball, you know. ;)
 

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that the other 2 haven’t set the world alight so what’s the harm
Agreed, but it can often be one of those situations where players seem to get better and better the more they don't play. Fosu came on as sub a few weeks ago and did nothing.
 

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