Final Score Brentford 1 (Toney) - 1 Norwich

Status
Not open for further replies.

Indian Bee

Active member
Joined
10 Feb 2001
Messages
7,890
Reaction score
318
Location
Manhattan
I thought Rico was our MOM today by far, and Tim Krul had a fine match for Norwich, unfortunately
Krul is a top top keeper and still can’t believe his save from Toney in his fast half. His save from HD was good also but surely HD should be scoring from that chance ....
 
Joined
20 Jun 2006
Messages
831
Reaction score
49
Location
Bookham
Oh, that’s ok then...nailed on for the premiership next season then...and there’s me thinking we were mid table and playing like a mid table team ;)
Didn’t think we played like a mid table team tonight?
 

condorman

Active member
Joined
30 Aug 2002
Messages
5,323
Reaction score
42
Location
Ealing
For what it’s worth the vibe on the Norwich forum seems to be similar to ours, they think they were outplayed for spells, that we pressed them well and are generally alright with a draw

I wouldn’t have subbed Big Josh - win the current game before worrying about the next one. Jensen was good, RIco superb as ever. Ghoddos will get better. It’s not all bad but we were blowing quite badly last 20 and I’m not sure it was all physical fatigue, I think we were mentally clinging on too
 

Voice from the Braemar

Well-known member
Joined
25 Jan 2001
Messages
19,307
Reaction score
254
Location
finest Surrey
We live in an incredibly tedious blame culture, where people can't just go with the natural ebbs and flows that life provides.
Blimey....it’s a football forum about a football match that happened tonight....what do you expect ??? Lol you sounded like David Brent for a minute !!!
 

jlove

Well-known member
Joined
17 Dec 2002
Messages
32,914
Reaction score
509
Location
Vaison-la-Romaine
I thought Rico was our MOM today by far, and Tim Krul had a fine match for Norwich, unfortunately
Generally, WhoScored is weighted towards goals rather than defending. Rico is second in the tackling chart. I also thought he and Jensen stood out, with Rico's battle with Aarons the highlight and Jensen controlling the game after the first 30 minutes with a really class show.
 

Banana

Occasionally incorrect
Joined
7 Apr 2000
Messages
71,311
Reaction score
1,584
Location
London
I see the knives are out for TF because of a deflected shot that was going 5 yards wide until it took a huge deflection and gave Raya no chance.

Fine margins I guess.
I see the knives are out for TF because of a deflected shot that was going 5 yards wide until it took a huge deflection and gave Raya no chance.

Fine margins I guess.
Knives are not out, just people stating facts - are we not allowed to give our opinions?
Oh I see, you are one of those guys.

I was giving my opinion, is that not allowed?
@LostBee, I think this is where the problem starts. NNB was only responding to your post and then you seemed to take issue with it with a "I am not allowed to give my opinion" assertion which is not really correct is it? This is a discussion board where different points-of-view are made available for your pleasure. Because someone might disagree with you that is not "shouting down" or "stopping you from giving your opinion" - you gave it and that's the end of it really.
 

North Northants Bee

Formerly known as "ketteringbee"
Joined
9 Mar 2006
Messages
150
Reaction score
63
Location
Kettering
When did I say you had to agree with me?

People like you spin my nut.
You don’t even know me......the substitutions in my opinion cost is the game tonight...as far as I’m aware the decision on the subs is made by the manager....therefore he made an error. It doesn’t mean anyone is calling for him to be sacked or anything, it’s just stating the obvious. If I make a screw up at work then I put my hands up and admit it, why should it be any different for the manager? He was wrong on Saturday and made another error tonight....end of
 

LostBee

Active member
Joined
22 Oct 2000
Messages
3,948
Reaction score
148
Location
Down in Albion
@LostBee, I think this is where the problem starts. NNB was only responding to your post and then you seemed to take issue with it with a "I am not allowed to give my opinion" assertion which is not really correct is it? This is a discussion board where different points-of-view are made available for your pleasure. Because someone might disagree with you that is not "shouting down" or "stopping you from giving your opinion - you gave it and that's the end of it really.
Point taken, I'll shut my mouth.
 

Banana

Occasionally incorrect
Joined
7 Apr 2000
Messages
71,311
Reaction score
1,584
Location
London
From West London Sport

Consistent midfielder Josh Dasilva was one of the players substituted during the second half, sparking fears that he may be another casualty to add to the club’s injury list.

But Frank said: “We are playing a lot of games. Josh played a good game, but we wanted another fresh player on the pitch.

“Josh played 90 minutes on Saturday and 90 minutes last Wednesday so we thought that was the right decision to take him off.

“He played a good game again and is very important for us.”
 

TadB

Active member
Joined
5 Sep 2013
Messages
2,164
Reaction score
89
Location
Tadworth, Surrey
At times we pulled them all over the pitch with the movement of Ghoddos, Toney, Mbuemo and Marcondes all swapping positions after we scored. There were some really positive signs there. We needed to get the second though and Marcondes, Dalsgaard and Mbuemo all had chances, with Krul making a couple of outstanding saves. We are stretched though and we have players still finding fitness and players coming back from injury.. Their goal was a complete fluke and despite the furore about the subs we didn't really look like conceding unless something like that happened. Norwich have come strong at the death in a lot of games this season so I'd image we'd have been under the cosh regardless. Think there were a load more positives from this game than negatives so don't get the bedwetting?
Quite agree! If Norwich had been winning with ten to go then they would have been under the cosh not us.
 

Indian Bee

Active member
Joined
10 Feb 2001
Messages
7,890
Reaction score
318
Location
Manhattan
Interesting post match comment from their manager

Farke said: “Another important goal. It was important today to grind out a result and to get one point and to stay two/three points clear of Brentford and extend our unbeaten run as well.

My takeaway is that he certainty sees us a threatfor promotion.
 

Voice from the Braemar

Well-known member
Joined
25 Jan 2001
Messages
19,307
Reaction score
254
Location
finest Surrey
Didn’t think we played like a mid table team tonight?
We played really well in spells especially last 25 of fiirst half but let’s not get carried away that Norwich were anything that special....at the moment we have mid table written all over us....when we get norgaard back it might change but there’s no goal threat from midfield unless jds has the ball...he needs to rest canos ASAP and marcondes when Baptiste is fit....then things might improve
 

AB

Well-known member
Joined
12 Apr 2000
Messages
10,564
Reaction score
447
Location
'Sunny' Leeds
We have 2 players that are not good enough for the Championship and tonight showed that again. I just dont know what TF sees in them. A couple of good points, Mads looked a lot better in a four. Jenson has shown this season what a decent player he is on a regular basis. One concern is when did anybody else score other than Toney and Forss in the league.
Ah, it’s just like a trip down memory lane to when this place was filled with comments like “League 2 at best”, “one of our worst forwards ever” etc. About Maupay.
 

Ealing Bee

Active member
Joined
5 Jun 2002
Messages
9,473
Reaction score
377
Location
Now Chiswick (proud to be a YIMBY)
there’s no goal threat from midfield unless jds has the ball...
We've scored 13 goals - only Reading (15 goals, 1st place) and Blackburn (18, 12th) have scored more. Fair do's, Ivan has got the bulk of these, but there's no reason to suppose he won't continue and better still, we look to have a real finisher in Forss who could step in for a period if needed. On top of which, Bryan M must surely get his mojo back sooner or later.

Our problem is that 19 (NINETEEN) teams have conceded fewer than our 11 goals, with another two teams the same. I'm hopeful that Christian and Pontus returning fully fit can help that, but we don't know how many more we'll concede before that happens.
 

West Wilts Bee

Active member
Joined
9 Apr 2001
Messages
6,717
Reaction score
155
Location
wiltshire
Just what did substituting Forss for Toney achieve? All that happened was we lost a fantastic head at defensive set-pieces. We faced two FKs in dangerous position after Toney went off neither of which was dealt with by our defence. I am genuinely mystified by this one.

Canos for Ghoddos. OK Ghoddos may not be match fit, but name me one thing Canos did in the match other than lose possession - and the last match too. Fosu is out of favour because he doesn't do enough defensively apparently, but Canos's contribution recently has been to actively HELP the opposition get possession. As for ****ing about nutmeging playing when we need to retain possession...

Jenalt for DaSilva. I can understand Jenalt coming on, but as soon as we took off JDS we gave up on attacking. He was the one breaking the line, he was the one keeping possesion, he was the one providing us with the outlet. After JDS went off we surrendered our control of the game.

OK we were unlucky with their goal, but we were lucky in other respects. If we had made no substitutes today, we would have won.
i think you Canos bashers need to add BM and Marcondes to your list both have done **** all all season. As NLB has said their are too many passengers in the team, how many challenges are we bottling when going for 2nd ball. This is so disappointing so far. TF needs to get off his cloud because he is not as good as he thinks he is, and yet again season after season it looks like we are going to have to play catch up. We knew iBenrahma and Ollie would be gone,we signed Baptiste spoke with Oxford fan who told me he is so injury prone, back to the game, after the first twenty mins i said to my boy this is men against boys I will be happy with a point and that is what we got. So far this season we are just not functioning very, very disappointing.
 

liverbee

Active member
Joined
17 May 2006
Messages
4,687
Reaction score
114
Location
Liverpool at present
One thing TF did not do last season was rotate the team. We played our strongest team (arguably) before lockdown and still had occasional crap performances.
During the run in, we played our strongest team and ran out of steam, somehow, at the end. I don’t even think it was mainly physical tiredness myself, but it was definitely fatigue. Now in this unprecedentedly more concentrated campaign, TF feels the need to address this problem. Should he ignore it? You tell me.
 

West Wilts Bee

Active member
Joined
9 Apr 2001
Messages
6,717
Reaction score
155
Location
wiltshire
We didn't murder them, and we shouldn't have scored six. It was a tough game which we controlled with a brilliant balance of flair and discipline. We would have said similar today, although I concede (as I suggested in my post) that we weren't quite at that level. Same sort of thing though (creating good chances, playing with shape, discipline, intensity etc.)
your wrong there mate , we where the dogs bollox, and pissed all over them. Even their manager admitted it
 

Delbee

Active member
Joined
14 Nov 2006
Messages
7,935
Reaction score
155
Location
West Middlesex
I was disappointed that we couldn’t hold out for the win last night a few things

We had a couple of good chance that were well saved
Not sure that Canos should have come on for Ghoddos
Dasilva should have stayed on as he was the only midfielder breaking forward , yes it was right to bring in Janelt but should have been Jenson who was drifting in and out of the game

We have to get used to the idea that we will be a strong attacking side , don’t see this happening with the loss of Maupay, Watkins, Benrahama
 

grutter

Active member
Joined
27 Aug 2011
Messages
7,316
Reaction score
364
Location
Orpington
Whichever way you look at it, given the state of the game with 30 mins to go, that is most definitely two points dropped. It was a TF gamble pulling Josh off that almost paid off. I totally understand the need to rotate players, but not when it hands the initiative to the opposition. Taking off your best midfielder with that long left against one of the better sides in the league will do that. We are not capable of keeping a clean sheet at the moment, so why nullify our own attack with so long left? TF is baffling himself with science at the moment.
 

Lionel Bart-At

formerly known as 'heavywoollenbee'
Joined
14 Apr 2013
Messages
17,853
Reaction score
454
Location
Cranford
Whichever way you look at it, given the state of the game with 30 mins to go, that is most definitely two points dropped. It was a TF gamble pulling Josh off that almost paid off. I totally understand the need to rotate players, but not when it hands the initiative to the opposition. Taking off your best midfielder with that long left against one of the better sides in the league will do that. We are not capable of keeping a clean sheet at the moment, so why nullify our own attack with so long left? TF is baffling himself with science at the moment.
Although we don't actually know the reasons for any of his substitutions, i.e. not necessarily tactical.
 

Leedsbee

Active member
Joined
17 Nov 2006
Messages
1,252
Reaction score
89
Given what the players have been through no surprise that we've made another slow start this season. No real time between matches at the moment to work on the team movement which is our strength. The defence particularly not gelling but Christian so much part of the defensive mix. New players looking well ahead of the curve bedding in.keep the faith.
 

Mr Tree

Brentford's premier GIF creator
Joined
28 Apr 2000
Messages
34,635
Reaction score
181
Location
Czech Republic
Although we don't actually know the reasons for any of his substitutions, i.e. not necessarily tactical.
Josh has always struggled with fitness, so he was gonna need managing through this busy period. But then it was Marcondes' first game for a couple of weeks, so... Hmm
 

liverbee

Active member
Joined
17 May 2006
Messages
4,687
Reaction score
114
Location
Liverpool at present
Janelt needs as much playing as possible, because this will not be the last time Norgaard is out injured and his yellows are mounting. JDS needs protecting. Toney needs an occasional break as he doesn’t have Watkins stamina yet. Mbeumo probably needs playing into form, although his figures show how good he is. Barcelona-Liverpool-Brentford seems to impress in the same way Chelsea to Brentford has done. All I know is that Arsenal to Brentford has been more beneficial to our performances this millennium. I was never a great fan, but I don’t see that much difference. At the same time, we are looking at a 23-year-old. We’ve had him over five years though, so he knows how it goes.
 
Last edited:

Isleworth_Bee

Well-known member
Joined
18 Jan 2005
Messages
21,649
Reaction score
440
Location
Basingstoke
If we brought on roy keane, kante and makelele deflections like that can still happen.
But those three would of made a difference, our subs killed the game and gave Norwich the upper hand.
 

Isleworth_Bee

Well-known member
Joined
18 Jan 2005
Messages
21,649
Reaction score
440
Location
Basingstoke
i think you Canos bashers need to add BM and Marcondes to your list both have done **** all all season. As NLB has said their are too many passengers in the team, how many challenges are we bottling when going for 2nd ball. This is so disappointing so far. TF needs to get off his cloud because he is not as good as he thinks he is, and yet again season after season it looks like we are going to have to play catch up. We knew iBenrahma and Ollie would be gone,we signed Baptiste spoke with Oxford fan who told me he is so injury prone, back to the game, after the first twenty mins i said to my boy this is men against boys I will be happy with a point and that is what we got. So far this season we are just not functioning very, very disappointing.
Oh come on. From then until Josh was subbed we were in control and had the better chances.
 

Isleworth_Bee

Well-known member
Joined
18 Jan 2005
Messages
21,649
Reaction score
440
Location
Basingstoke
From West London Sport

Consistent midfielder Josh Dasilva was one of the players substituted during the second half, sparking fears that he may be another casualty to add to the club’s injury list.

But Frank said: “We are playing a lot of games. Josh played a good game, but we wanted another fresh player on the pitch.

“Josh played 90 minutes on Saturday and 90 minutes last Wednesday so we thought that was the right decision to take him off.

“He played a good game again and is very important for us.”
So they were subbing him based on games played and games to come. For me he wasnt off the pace and didnt look knackered.

Concentrate on the game in hand TF. :banghead:
 

magicbees

Active member
Joined
5 Jul 2006
Messages
5,324
Reaction score
79
Location
Lower Earley
Easy to blame TF for the subs but I’m guessing both JDS & IT we’re done. Last 20 it was like playing with 9 men. Passing to Bryan & Serge was the same as passing to a Norwich player. Thats their fault not TFs. The thing with Serge is I’m not sure what he’s good at. Benrahma could dribble, Mbeumo, scores & assists, just don’t really know what Serge’s strength is apart from puppyish enthusiasm.
Maybe ask Mbeumo what he thinks 😬
Ah, it’s just like a trip down memory lane to when this place was filled with comments like “League 2 at best”, “one of our worst forwards ever” etc. About Maupay.
A lot of people gave Maupay stick because he hadnt adjusted as quick as people wanted. The two Ive mention have been here quite a while.
 

Gee Bee

Well-known member
Joined
18 Jan 2001
Messages
22,448
Reaction score
45
Location
Rayleigh
We played really well in spells especially last 25 of fiirst half but let’s not get carried away that Norwich were anything that special....at the moment we have mid table written all over us....when we get norgaard back it might change but there’s no goal threat from midfield unless jds has the ball...he needs to rest canos ASAP and marcondes when Baptiste is fit....then things might improve
The division has around 15 teams playing for that mid table position. There is lack of consistency all over the division and the volume of games will only add to that imho. We had some very good chances to have put the game to bed before any deflected goal, but I expect Norwich to be there or there about at season end and we may well see this as point gained rather than two lost come the end of the season.
 
Joined
18 Sep 2020
Messages
45
Reaction score
133
Location
Tehran
The first 15, 20 minutes we were under a lot of pressure and we did well to defend. after that, it was all Brentford. I was really surprised by the substitutions which in my opinion was quite terrible and came in at a time where Brentford was the dominant side and put off the balance and momentum we had. Ghoddos was displaying very smart play and good positioning in my point of view, a couple of times I saw him get outside the box to prepare for a shot on target but unfortunately, there was no pass to him. apart from this, I must say TF just threw away the other 2 points BUT I can somehow understand subs are necessary because of the tight schedule. But these guys are professionals and are capable of a relatively small pressure game week wise.. and I just think the subs should have been done later if the scoreline would be 2-0.
 

West Wilts Bee

Active member
Joined
9 Apr 2001
Messages
6,717
Reaction score
155
Location
wiltshire
Oh come on. From then until Josh was subbed we were in control and had the better chances.
What’s that got to do with my post, we were in danger of being over ran, we all saw that. We did do well to get a point out of the game, josh went off and we lost the grip of bossing the game and gradually let them back, it was a fluke goal but you could see it coming. So far this season we have lost our fluency and our tempo is slow, and there are a few players that need to step up, you only have to look at the posts. For me we are lacking in confidence at the moment. We are in touch of the leaders but we are off what we have been for the last few seasons, its not the end of the world but we do need to improve.
 

Les Beeavinu

Administrator
Joined
5 Aug 2002
Messages
55,776
Reaction score
829
Location
Sandhurst
i think you Canos bashers need to add BM and Marcondes to your list both have done **** all all season. As NLB has said their are too many passengers in the team, how many challenges are we bottling when going for 2nd ball. This is so disappointing so far. TF needs to get off his cloud because he is not as good as he thinks he is, and yet again season after season it looks like we are going to have to play catch up. We knew iBenrahma and Ollie would be gone,we signed Baptiste spoke with Oxford fan who told me he is so injury prone, back to the game, after the first twenty mins i said to my boy this is men against boys I will be happy with a point and that is what we got. So far this season we are just not functioning very, very disappointing.
Can't agree with the men against boys comment. Yes they had possession because they're a pretty good side but we kept our shape, managed that tricky period without too much threat and played well when we got on the ball. Reading Norwich message board, they were impressed with us so I think it was just typical ebb and flow from two teams who know how to move the ball well. We looked more dangerous than them when we had the ball and created more threatening situations imo.
 

ppobee

Member
Joined
16 May 2013
Messages
68
Reaction score
5
In our first season back in the Championship, we lost 0-3 at home to Norwich. I left GP strangely happy because we played and competed really well, and I knew we'd be fine at this level. I didn't visit the GPG that night, so don't know how others saw that game, but based on the opinions last night, I shudder to think about what would have been said!

Last night, we might have won, we played very well against a good team and were unlucky at the end. We need to take the chances and make fewer mistakes but doesn't every team? We will be there or thereabouts at the end of the season.
 

Gee Bee

Well-known member
Joined
18 Jan 2001
Messages
22,448
Reaction score
45
Location
Rayleigh
i think you Canos bashers need to add BM and Marcondes to your list both have done **** all all season. As NLB has said their are too many passengers in the team, how many challenges are we bottling when going for 2nd ball. This is so disappointing so far. TF needs to get off his cloud because he is not as good as he thinks he is, and yet again season after season it looks like we are going to have to play catch up. We knew iBenrahma and Ollie would be gone,we signed Baptiste spoke with Oxford fan who told me he is so injury prone, back to the game, after the first twenty mins i said to my boy this is men against boys I will be happy with a point and that is what we got. So far this season we are just not functioning very, very disappointing.
BM is close to top of the goal assists list with 4 plus 1 goal. He's not been on top form, but is adding to our our goal threat still. Last night last 25 minutes 1st half we could have put game to bed, with some very good chances. 2nd half we pressed and actually won the 2nd ball often. Even after the substitutions we gave very little away defensively and can't remember a clear cut chance they had 2nd half. A deflected goal gets them the point, another day we hold on for a 1 nil win and many will be singing a different tune of seeing the game out well etc. Fine margins.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Users who are viewing this thread

Top Bottom