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Hand up l think we need to rest him. He has been delivering very average performances and we have options to put in as wide players.I get the stats but the eyes have it. I recall MacEachran fans using stats to big him up.l still feel he hasn't been the same since testing positive. Maybe a case of long covid?
Three assists and one goal would for McEachran be a top top season. It is Bryan’s haul over 5 games where he’s been a bit below par.
 

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Hand up l think we need to rest him. He has been delivering very average performances and we have options to put in as wide players.I get the stats but the eyes have it. I recall MacEachran fans using stats to big him up.l still feel he hasn't been the same since testing positive. Maybe a case of long covid?
Agree.

Which is not to say he's playing badly - he isn't - but as I see it, he's not playing quite so well as he generally did last season.

Either way, there's nothing to suggest anything serious or long term, so even though I personally would rest him for a bit, I'm happy to leave that call to TF.

Obviously.
 

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I'd add that l think he's lost a yard in pace which is why l think there's possibly a medical issue but l'm no doctor.That blistering pace has gone.l'd give Fosu a go.
 

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The talent is still there for sure but it is a bit of a struggle for the youngster at the moment, maybe post-covid related maybe not. I think give either Fosu or Ghoddas a young and give him a bit of a break. He will come back better and stronger for it.
 

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He's that bit more of a marked man now after last season, v quickly had 2 or 3 on him whenever he got the ball v Coventry. That'll be the norm from now on unless we create more of a threat from the other side.
 

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He's that bit more of a marked man now after last season, v quickly had 2 or 3 on him whenever he got the ball v Coventry. That'll be the norm from now on unless we create more of a threat from the other side.
He doesn't benefit from Henry's over lapping runs on his side either so the right side will always look poorer in comparison to the left imo.
 

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Is Dalsgaard not getting forward quite as much, too? He was initially very well served from that direction. Mbeumo is very adaptable, but the players haven’t quite got all the options from the wings worked out.
 

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He hasn't been scoring goals, no more to it than that. Everything else is pretty much the same. New front three, taking a bit longer to get it going.
He was always a bit weak in the tackle, never really competed for headers and made the odd bad decision.

Last season he would be very quiet for 40 mins and you would forget he was there and then bang, he scores.

There is nothing wrong with him, no "long covid" (he was asymptomatic) and no loss of a yard of pace.
 

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Interesting that the consensus on here is that he is putting in average performances for whatever reason. But there are those who say persist with him and others who think he needs resting.Given what we want to achieve and his performance level, I cant see any justification for not giving Fosu a go. Bryan has been off it for a long time.Would Sergi still be starting with the same performance level?
 

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He doesn't benefit from Henry's over lapping runs on his side either so the right side will always look poorer in comparison to the left imo.
That situation may well be sorted once the pacey Mads Roerslev regains full fitness.
 

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Interesting that the consensus on here is that he is putting in average performances for whatever reason. But there are those who say persist with him and others who think he needs resting.Given what we want to achieve and his performance level, I cant see any justification for not giving Fosu a go. Bryan has been off it for a long time.Would Sergi still be starting with the same performance level?
Hear what you say but 3 assists and 1 goal in 5 games is not a bad return for a player not in form?
 

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Given the relentless spell of games coming up, I'm sure Fosu, Ghoddos and even Kev will be rotated into the wide attacking positions.
 

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Interesting that the consensus on here is that he is putting in average performances for whatever reason. But there are those who say persist with him and others who think he needs resting.Given what we want to achieve and his performance level, I cant see any justification for not giving Fosu a go. Bryan has been off it for a long time.Would Sergi still be starting with the same performance level?
Fosu will get a chance on the left this week. He seems to have grown in stature though from not being in the team. From what I've seen of him so far he's not going to provide the same level of assists and goals as even the current 'under the weather' Mbuemo. Personally just think Bryan needs games and to get used to interacting as part of the new front three.

Interesting point someone made earlier re Dalsgaard not getting forward as much. Suspect that's deliberate due to a) the issues we've had down the right side defensively with him and Pontus, and b) to save his legs due to lack of cover until Roerslev's back..
 

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He doesn't benefit from Henry's over lapping runs on his side either so the right side will always look poorer in comparison to the left imo.
I think that's a bit chicken and egg to be honest. Dalsgaard is capable of getting forward but I think is somewhat reticent to commit as he's not 100% that Bryan will cover him. Henry and Canos seem to be a bit more comfortable.
 

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The Dalsgaard thing is very striking. As I remember it, for the first part of last season Dalsgaard was always the more attacking full back, and the change to Henry being the one to bomb forward constantly happened overnight - presumably as a deliberate tactical choice.
 
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The Dalsgaard thing is very striking. As I remember it, for the first part of last season Dalsgaard was always the more attacking full back, and the change to Henry being the one to bomb forward constantly happened overnight - presumably as a deliberate tactical choice.
Interesting theory as the common belief has been Henrik's fitness/number of games are what led to this. I wonder if gaining confidence that Pinnock didn't need additional cover has led to what you describe?
 

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Played well but thought he should have scored with that effort just before they equalised. Did everything right except get it on target.
 

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best game for a while last night
Agreed may also be down to our setup with Ghoddos as an additional play maker ?? Does anyone know why he went off and what injury was? As was so early in second half must have reported a niggle at half time and they asked him to see how went in second half ?
 

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Last year he was the understated of the three, but I half put that down to the other two being more attention grabbing due to the goals and the tricks. I think he's just very...nonchalant, really good without his style shouting about it. His second shot was some effort though! If that had flown in it would have been lovely!

Injury was a precautionary withdrawal, but the commentators did note that he had an icepack on the back of his leg where his hamstring was. Maybe a slight tweak so they didn't want to risk it.
 

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People will be gunning for Sergi but an assist masks another absolutely atrocious performance from Bryan. So many of our promising counter-attacks break down at the moment because BM slows the play down so much. He is just so predictable and ponderous on the ball and costs us so much possession in dangerous areas, leaving his side badly exposed. I really rate him but please can we give him a rest for a few games. He just isn't doing it at the moment...
 

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People will be gunning for Sergi but an assist masks another absolutely atrocious performance from Bryan. So many of our promising counter-attacks break down at the moment because BM slows the play down so much. He is just so predictable and ponderous on the ball and costs us so much possession in dangerous areas, leaving his side badly exposed. I really rate him but please can we give him a rest for a few games. He just isn't doing it at the moment...
Spot on. His performances have been like this even before lockdown. Yes he’s young and yes he had coronavirus which may or may not still be having an affect on him but it’s time for a rest and allow Fosu a run of games imo.
 

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Good assist but contributed to our lack of possession in last 30 minutes with some very poor rushed passing when we needed an outlet
 

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What has happened to him. Was average at best tonight. very predictable and one footed.
 

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People will be gunning for Sergi but an assist masks another absolutely atrocious performance from Bryan. So many of our promising counter-attacks break down at the moment because BM slows the play down so much. He is just so predictable and ponderous on the ball and costs us so much possession in dangerous areas, leaving his side badly exposed. I really rate him but please can we give him a rest for a few games. He just isn't doing it at the moment...
Spot on. His performances have been like this even before lockdown. Yes he’s young and yes he had coronavirus which may or may not still be having an affect on him but it’s time for a rest and allow Fosu a run of games imo.
He's not at his best, but Farke rates him because he had three men close down his left foot every time in the first half, until Bryan threw them with a right footer and yet another assist.
 

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He's not at his best, but Farke rates him because he had three men close down his left foot every time in the first half, until Bryan threw them with a right footer and yet another assist.
That's all very well but he is a defensive liability and an obstacle to the way we are trying to play (quick press and counter).
 
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He’s playing on his reputation from last season and he’s such a talented player that he can still pull out assists when playing at 30% capacity.
 
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That's all very well but he is a defensive liability and an obstacle to the way we are trying to play (quick press and counter).
Sorry, how's he a defensive liability? (Especially when compared to Sergi and his rash and naive defensive efforts).
 

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Sorry, how's he a defensive liability? (Especially when compared to Sergi and his rash and naive defensive efforts).
Because he gives the ball away almost every time it comes to him, usually after we've committed half the team forward in a counter attack and are then badly exposed down his flank. He loses the ball so much at the moment. I'm not defending Sergi (he was awful tonight) but BM has been pretty awful for a while now and mostly seems to avoid criticism.
 

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He’s playing on his reputation from last season and he’s such a talented player that he can still pull out assists when okaying at 30% capacity.
The idea has to be playing him back into form and while he is contributing statistically it becomes easier to do so but he certainly isn't hitting the heights of last season :(
 

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He's not at his best, but Farke rates him because he had three men close down his left foot every time in the first half, until Bryan threw them with a right footer and yet another assist.
Spot on! IMO the reason for BM's loss of form is Teams have worked him out, realise how dangerous he is, and do all they can to prevent him playing. Stop him moving inside, and if he does get inside he is prevented from getting into a shooting position. He is a good player, and will eventually work out how to handle close attention.
 

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If we are wanting to get more crosses from BM into the box for IT, where would you play him on the right to cross with his right foot (rarely, yes tonight) or let him swap flanks at least for some of the game to cross with his left foot. Last season he was shooting with his left and regularly getting great goals. He seems frustrated with his own form at times
 

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If we are wanting to get more crosses from BM into the box for IT, where would you play him on the right to cross with his right foot (rarely, yes tonight) or let him swap flanks at least for some of the game to cross with his left foot. Last season he was shooting with his left and regularly getting great goals. He seems frustrated with his own form at times
Swapping flanks is a good (routine) tactic, and something he does with reasonable regularity (although not tonight).
 

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Spot on! IMO the reason for BM's loss of form is Teams have worked him out, realise how dangerous he is, and do all they can to prevent him playing. Stop him moving inside, and if he does get inside he is prevented from getting into a shooting position. He is a good player, and will eventually work out how to handle close attention.
He was probably also helped by teams last season not being able to put 2-3 on him AND on Said. Looking more positively at this, while teams do this to Bryan, Saman has the opportunity to get up to speed relatively unmolested. Once he does, there’ll be less pressure on Bryan as we will again make it difficult to choose which one to shut out.

It is also worth remembering that Said’s first half of last season was also pretty underwhelming so it may be good to cut Bryan a bit of slack.

As ever we’re a bit of a work in progress early season but still 3 points up on this time last season. And we all know what 3 extra points would have meant last season.
 

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There is no doubt that Mbeumo's form has dropped since he had COVID; possibly initially that was due to the virus itself as its effects on performance are still largely unclear, and this in turn may have affected his confidence. Plus, as pointed out above, teams are doubling up on him more easily now that the threat from the other wing has lessened. For me he's a very good player, and all players have dips in form during their career -- 'form is temporary, class is permanent' as the saying goes. Calling his performances 'atrocious' is just daft given his assists for several goals this season; average yes, atrocious no. We just need to stick with him and help develop his ability to vary his play a bit more. He has shown on several occasions that he can use his right foot, and I'm sure that's an area we'll be working on. I'm backing Bryan!
 

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He’s twenty years of age and being heavily shadowed. He’s frustrated and still provides goals. Probably our best talent.
 

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The simple statistic is that he provided the assist for the goal. That he did it with his right foot should give him a bit more confidence to realise it actually works!
 

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There is no doubt that Mbeumo's form has dropped since he had COVID; possibly initially that was due to the virus itself as its effects on performance are still largely unclear, and this in turn may have affected his confidence. Plus, as pointed out above, teams are doubling up on him more easily now that the threat from the other wing has lessened. For me he's a very good player, and all players have dips in form during their career -- 'form is temporary, class is permanent' as the saying goes. Calling his performances 'atrocious' is just daft given his assists for several goals this season; average yes, atrocious no. We just need to stick with him and help develop his ability to vary his play a bit more. He has shown on several occasions that he can use his right foot, and I'm sure that's an area we'll be working on. I'm backing Bryan!
Sorry, but stop that Covid conspiracy stuff. Loads of people have been asymptomatic and had no symptoms. What exactly do think he could possibly "still" be suffering from when he hasn't even had symptoms to start with.

Nothing wrong with his fitness, he was never completely consistent at his best but when you had SB on the other wing chipping in and setting him up you didn't notice the performances were largely the same as now.
 

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I haven't got time to delete but can we stop talking about the wider considerations of covid in this thread please, it's completely irrelevant to last night's game of football.
 

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Sorry, but he really isn't a constant menace at the moment.
No one else in the division has provided more assists. He's one of our most productive attacking threats. This is his second season, he's only 20 and teams have worked out how to better defend against him but he'll only get better.

Nothing to complain about here at all.
 

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He’s twenty years of age and being heavily shadowed. He’s frustrated and still provides goals. Probably our best talent.
Yep. Defensive attention that would've previously gone to Benrahma is now being focussed on Mbuemo. He'll be fine though.
 

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I'm not buying the "he is being double marked" or "they have worked him out". Jota was one of the most predictable players I've ever seen in a Brentford shirt yet time and time again he found a way. Said was more noticeably double marked and again he found a way.
He has been toilet for a while now but does keep popping up with the odd goal/assist hence why Frank must feel the need to keep him in the team.
 
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Bryan had a fantastic first season with us, actually don't think he got enough credit for how good he was. Ok, so he's not hit those heights yet this season but his work rate looked fine to me last night, he provided another assist and I did see him tracking back when needed. I'd always pick him ahead of Canos or Fosu as he's proven over last season what a threat he can be with goals and assists. Also, he was part of a formidable front 3 last season, 2 of which have now gone, so might take a while for the new front 3 to gel as a unit.
 

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I would prefer him on the left as, as we saw last night, sides are going to double-up on him or even have three in close attendance which should, in theory, leave space for our offensive players. Having Rico and JDS able to bomb on might open up defences if they are busily occupied trying to nullify Bryan particularly if he drifts inside.
 

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