Carlos Tevez

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Well done the 'ammers. Can we get Zamora on loan (if they cover his wages). :D
 

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Hmmm, it's a story relying on something written on his website - I'll believe it when I see it - smacks of him / his agents trying to force the hand of one of the bigger teams.

If it is true, then it's amazing.
 

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Sky Sports News seem pretty convinced it's true.

Sky Sports News have 24 hours of airtime to fill everyday... any story which breaks is big news to them, no matter how small or true it is! ;)

As I said, it's amazing if it's true, but I remain to be convinced.
 

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Sky Sports News have 24 hours of airtime to fill everyday... any story which breaks is big news to them, no matter how small or true it is! ;)

As I said, it's amazing if it's true, but I remain to be convinced.
They aren't just saying that it's big news though, they are reporting that it's going to happen. Arranged through some company with shares in West Ham and the club that Tevez and Mascherano play for. Press conference later today.
 

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Sky Sports News have 24 hours of airtime to fill everyday... any story which breaks is big news to them, no matter how small or true it is! ;)

As I said, it's amazing if it's true, but I remain to be convinced.
We'll all know soon enough ...
 

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They aren't just saying that it's big news though, they are reporting that it's going to happen. Arranged through some company with shares in West Ham and the club that Tevez and Mascherano play for. Press conference later today.
Yeah, I read that - Tevez isn't owned by a club, but by a sports management company - have heard of this before (didn't Kewell or Viduka have a similar deal whilst at Leeds?).

Interesting arrangement.
 

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I notice that Neil Mellor has signed for Preston North End which must mean that NB's favourite, David Nugent, is on his way somewhere. I hope it's not Sheffield United as rumoured.
 

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I wondor how Tevez and Mascherano will feel when they find out who 'they' have signed for!
 

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Newcastle United?:fishing:
That would be a good signing for both parties. Incidentally, I wonder how ****ed off Newcastle United fans are about taking Manchester United reserves on loan "to get experience". Hardly big club thinking, is it?
 

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That would be a good signing for both parties. Incidentally, I wonder how ****ed off Newcastle United fans are about taking Manchester United reserves on loan "to get experience". Hardly big club thinking, is it?
awful signing:wave:
 

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Rumoured that Abramovich has a stake in the company that part owns Corinthians. I suppose he'll be able to keep tabs on their progress playing in London for a team that aren't directly competing with Chelsea. Wonder if they'll play agaisnt Chelsea, or if they'll both pick up mysterious knocks before those games.....
 

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Yeah, I read that - Tevez isn't owned by a club, but by a sports management company - have heard of this before (didn't Kewell or Viduka have a similar deal whilst at Leeds?).

Interesting arrangement.
I can't believe this is the case though. All registrations are owned by the club - not agents. They might have a cut of their wages or bonuses etc.

PS I've done some googling and Corinthians are part-financed by the above company so this may explain it.
 

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I notice that Neil Mellor has signed for Preston North End which must mean that NB's favourite, David Nugent, is on his way somewhere. I hope it's not Sheffield United as rumoured.
How about Nugent going to Middlesbrough?
 

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Amazing stuff..., and great for West Ham United, but how on earth are Corinthians benefiting from letting probably their two best players go... and not even for a fee? All this sports investors stuff is confusing as well. It's made even more interesting by the fact that Manchester Unitd, Arsenal and Chelsea have all been interested in these players, surely this would have been known by the players themselves, and now they find themselves on their way to the Hammers. Is it a case of going on loan for a season to the Premiership to well and truly put themselves in the shop window for bigger clubs in England?
 

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Off topic but how the hell have West Ham United signed Tevez and Mascherano?!
 

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I can't believe this is the case though. All registrations are owned by the club - not agents. They might have a cut of their wages or bonuses etc.

PS I've done some googling and Corinthians are part-financed by the above company so this may explain it.
When Bradford City went bust, it was discovered that many of their higher paid players (Carbone etc) were in fact only loaned to Bradford City by a third party sports agent who had paid for them in the first place, when it was thought Bradford had been splashing out transfer fees. Straightaway the liquidator found that the best playing asset was not theirs to sell. :fishing:
 

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When Bradford City went bust, it was discovered that many of their higher paid players (Carbone etc) were in fact only loaned to Bradford City by a third party sports agent who had paid for them in the first place, when it was thought Bradford had been splashing out transfer fees. Straightaway the liquidator found that the best playing asset was not theirs to sell. :fishing:
That's not true. The registrations were Bradford City's. FACT. You cannot assign ownership to anything other than a football club. The players were bought with finance deals which is what you are referring to.:wave:
 

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Amazing stuff..., and great for West Ham United, but how on earth are Corinthians benefting from letting probably their two best players go... and not even for a fee.
With some loan deals the club getting the player will actually pay a fee for them joining. So Corinthians could get say £1million per player PLUS the Hammers could pick up the wages. I know they are ifs and buts but it COULD be the case
 

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With some loan deals the club getting the player will actually pay a fee for them joining. So Corinthians could get say £1million per player PLUS the Hammers could pick up the wages. I know they are ifs and buts but it COULD be the case
True... but even if that was the case, I still think Corinthians are very much getting the rough end of the deal, considering the quality Tevez and Mascherano posses.
 

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That's not true. The registrations were Bradford City's. FACT. You cannot assign ownership to anything other than a football club. The players were bought with finance deals which is what you are referring to.:wave:
Bradford City paid for the finance insurance on the deals correct and at the time of administration the largest creditor was a German Insurance Company. However the players were loaned to the club until the finance was paid in full.
The loan is for the period of the finance deal and although Bradford City owned the registrations of the players to play football professionally, they did not own the player and so could not be sold to help pay off the finance. Its a very complicated deal that is still running in the Insurance market, but at the time of administration Bradford City did not own all their players.
 

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complicated deal that is still running in the Insurance market, but at the time of administration Bradford City did not own all their players.
"Owning" the player's rights and owning the registration are two different things. I was referring to the latter. They did NOT loan the player to Bradford City as they didn't hold the registration - only clubs can.

The finanace company you mention could not have ordered Bradford City to sell the player so the former is in doubt also.

I suspect they weren't sold as this may have triggered a clause in the deal for re-payment, a no-go when trying to reduce the overall debt of the club.
 

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"Owning" the player's rights and owning the registration are two different things. I was referring to the latter.

The finanace company you mention could not have ordered Bradford City to sell the player so the former is in doubt also.

I suspect they weren't sold as this may have triggered a cluase in the deal for re-payment, a no-go when trying to reduce the overall debt of the club.
It was the Administrator who wanted to sell the players in order to generate income. The first thing they found was that the players were not owned by Bradford City and so could not be sold so the adminsitrator saved money by not paying the third party the money that paid the players wages, that allowed the players to walk for free and reduce Bradford City's wage bill considerably.
The Insurance company wrote off approx £9m as they had finaced the transfer fees, although some of this was recoverable under their own re-insurance programme. It was a real muddle of a deal and the one winner was the man who owned the players, who incidently was also was connected to the club at some stage. A former professional footballer often linked with buying clubs was also heavily involved.
Incidentally when Hornchurch went into administration, it was mainly because their funding was coming from a window company who then went bust, and it was they who were employing the players and loaning them to Hornchurch. It happens often at non league level. :fishing:
 

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When Corinthians brought Tevez for 13m, many people were saying that they couldn't have afforded the fee and were wondering which European club may have brought him for use later....I smell a Russian too
 

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Roman: Hey Jose, how's it going? Are we going to win the Champions' League this season?
Jose: Good morning, Mr Abramovich; it's going fine, thanks. Yes, I believe that this is the year that we will win the big prize, I have assembled a team to beat all comers - Ballack and Shevchenko were the finishing touches and I thank you from the bottom of my heart for your generosity in funding their wages.
RA: I am delighted. Don't worry about the money, for I shall win it back and more by taking the bookies to the cleaners when John Terry lifts the trophy.
JM: Er, um, be careful, sir.
RA: Be careful you say? Be careful? You just told me that this would be the year.
JM: Yes, yes, yes, but....
RA: But? But? BUT???
JM: It's just that Manchester United are going to buy two brilliant Argentinian players, Tevez and Mascherano, and Sir Alex is ....
RA: Don't worry, Jose, I will sort it out and make sure those players do not join any of our rivals.
JM: If you say so, sir!
 

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Sorry dont know where it came from:


Something Fishy About Tevez And Mascherano To West Ham United Deal
August 31st, 2006 by Alan Hylands

And I’m not talking about the year’s supply of jellied eels they’ve got in front of them either. The deal to take Argentina stars Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano to West Ham United hasn’t officially been confirmed yet but football discussion forums are white hot with the news and the potential implications, not only for West Ham United but for the Premiership at large.

What would attract two of the world’s most sought after, young, talented international stars to Upton Park and the waiting arms of Alan Pardew? At first glance there is no logical explanation. West Ham United had a great season last year after their promotion and surprised a lot of people (me included) with their classy football and solid defence that not only gave them a respectable league finish but also took them to the FA Cup Final.

I doubt that their Cup Final defeat in one of the liveliest and most enjoyable Cup Finals in many years will have been enough to tempt the two Argies though and despite having a foot in European competition with the UEFA Cup, I doubt that’s the real pulling factor either.

My suspicions lead me to a somewhat shadier deal being cooked up between the players’ club Corinthians, their owners MSI and another club with shady links to MSI and their owners. It’s long been rumoured that Roman Abramovich is the money man behind MSI and the reason that a broke Brazilian club like Corinthians could afford players like Tevez and Mascherano in the first place. It leaves no doubt in my mind that Chelsea and Roman are behind this proposed season-long loan deal for the two Argentinians to West Ham United and it’s only for one purpose - to acclimatise the players to London and the Premiership and see whether they are worth signing for Chelsea properly next summer.

There can be no other reason for this transfer to take place. Yes, West Ham United are a good, homely club with some good players but for a club to sign Carlton Cole this summer and turn around and also get Carlos Tevez, it leaves me wondering what the motives are. I think I’ve worked out the obvious answer and it doesn’t bode well for the rest of the Premiership.

We’ve seen Chelsea’s strange buys and loan deals in the past with players like Smertin and Jarosik but this moves things to another level completely. Chelsea don’t outright own these players or their club but their guiding hand can skew the transfer market that they can prevent any of their near rivals in the top five from having these players while they park them at a safe and respectable club, close but not too close, for a season to let them mature in the English game.

Something stinks around here and the smell is increasingly emanating from Roman Abramovich’s direction.
 

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Sky Sports confirmed that West Ham United have now officially announced they have signed them on permanent deals :eek:
 

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IMHO they are using West Ham United as a European shop window..:fishing:
It's only a year's loan after all I believe.
This is my understanding too.
Even Manchester United or Chelsea could come in with bigger money in January or next summer.
 

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