Covid and the future of games (34 Viewers)

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With many players lately getting tested and receiving positive test results, what are the chances the leagues get postponed again?

Arsenal had a player test positive and missed the game at the weekend, Manchester City had 2 on Xmas day and further more in the last 24 hours meaning their game this evening was off. 7 of the 12 league 1 matches off.
The levels in the country are going back up too with the new strains.

How many positive tests does a league need before it does what is probably best for the players?
Being honest, id rather they didn't. I get so bored without the football to watch or chat about and not I would be able to cope (football is literally the only thing currently I can look forward to in a town I know barely anyone let alone able to see anyone). But that's my selfish point of view.
 

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7 out of the 12 games in League 1 scheduled for tomorrow are off due to Covid. I don't think we can rule out some kind of suspension of competitions at this stage unfortunately.
 

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7 out of the 12 games in League 1 scheduled for tomorrow are off due to Covid. I don't think we can rule out some kind of suspension of competitions at this stage unfortunately.
I’d go so far as to say it is almost inevitable that there will at the least be a few week break to the season shortly. Look at the graph of daily new infections and extrapolate. That really tells us all we need to know...sadly
 

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I think the PL and EFL could start by reinforcing the 'rules' that were implemented when football restarted after the first lockdown. Most teams seemed to have reverted to lots of hugs at the end of matches even among the wider support/management teams and between teams as well. Also spitting seems to be back in vogue - even managers (e.g. David Moyes at the weekend) which is totally unnecessary at any time.

Makes me wonder if the precautions are also, more importantly, being ignored during training etc. and they're thinking "well we're tested all the time so......."
 

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It is starting to look increasingly like we're heading for trouble to be honest. Games are starting to be called off very frequently, and with how it's spreading around the country, you can't imagine rates will start to go down any time soon.

I personally wouldn't be surprised to see League One and Two have a hiatus (after all they get tested less regularly). But the Champ and Premier League have to finish before the Euros starts in the summer, which means they can't realistically be delayed by much. We may well see a very crammed schedule though, with some teams playing several games in one week. It's only a matter of time until we lose a game, due to either ourselves or our opponents.
 

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Would be good for many people’s mental health if Elite football stayed So they should be near front of queue for vaccines- won’t happen though
Disagree with that mate. I'd much rather vulnerable people who have been stuck inside their homes for 9 months (and could die if they catch it) get the vaccine than elite footballers.
 

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Disagree with that mate. I'd much rather vulnerable people who have been stuck inside their homes for 9 months (and could die if they catch it) get the vaccine than elite footballers.
I do get it totally but just thinking of the numbers. Vaccinate 20 premier league squads is less than 1000 people and guarantees football can Carry on in the dark months of jan and feb. I’m just speculating that it’s a small number of people queue jumping to ensure a seriously high amount of entertainment and good morale for many hundreds of thousands and will encourage them to stay at home too which helps !
 

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I do get it totally but just thinking of the numbers. Vaccinate 20 premier league squads is less than 1000 people and guarantees football can Carry on in the dark months of jan and feb. I’m just speculating that it’s a small number of people queue jumping to ensure a seriously high amount of entertainment and good morale for many hundreds of thousands and will encourage them to stay at home too which helps !
Not for me. I suspect the mental health of those in the vulnerable is already stretched. Imagine waiting for a vaccine that could let you live your life again and it gets put back a week because some young healthy men have jumped the queue.
 

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Not for me. I suspect the mental health of those in the vulnerable is already stretched. Imagine waiting for a vaccine that could let you live your life again and it gets put back a week because some young healthy men have jumped the queue.
I hear you! But i hope it wouldn’t be a week though. Maybe an hour or two. I was hoping we were targeting millions of vaccinations a month. Not sure what this new one coming out this week can do.

Anyway - it won’t happen for precisely the reason you outline
 

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It was a bit worrying when they mentioned on Quest that the reason no League 2 games were postponed Saturday (despite several other games being called off) was possibly due to lack of testing. I assumed it was compulsory
 

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I think the PL and EFL could start by reinforcing the 'rules' that were implemented when football restarted after the first lockdown. Most teams seemed to have reverted to lots of hugs at the end of matches even among the wider support/management teams and between teams as well. Also spitting seems to be back in vogue - even managers (e.g. David Moyes at the weekend) which is totally unnecessary at any time.

Makes me wonder if the precautions are also, more importantly, being ignored during training etc. and they're thinking "well we're tested all the time so......."
The problem is I don’t believe they are tested all the time in the EFL.

The premier league has protocols in place that mean the players are being tested a minimum of once a week so they’ve largely been able to contain cases to one or two people when discovered (although that may not be as easy with the more transmissible variant) but in the EFL they do not have a mandated testing cycle and many clubs, due to the costs (weekly testing is about £10k a week I think), are testing very infrequently.

There was an interview with a league one chairman who ‘confessed’ most clubs are only testing once every six weeks or so meaning any cases can potentially spread, unchecked, through the team, staff and any opponents.

I agree with others and think so sort of break seems inevitable now.
 

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The problem is I don’t believe they are tested all the time in the EFL.

The premier league has protocols in place that mean the players are being tested a minimum of once a week so they’ve largely been able to contain cases to one or two people when discovered (although that may not be as easy with the more transmissible variant) but in the EFL they do not have a mandated testing cycle and many clubs, due to the costs (weekly testing is about £10k a week I think), are testing very infrequently.

There was an interview with a league one chairman who ‘confessed’ most clubs are only testing once every six weeks or so meaning any cases can potentially spread, unchecked, through the team, staff and any opponents.

I agree with others and think so sort of break seems inevitable now.
It's up to twice a week in the premiership now.

Be interesting to see if Man City are kicked out of the league Cup if they can't fulfil their fixture with Man Utd. I mean Orient were kicked out for it. The cynic in me thinks it more likely they won't be and they will use the excuse that there is more time due to the final being delayed. Which while this is true is still a massive one rule for them and one for the other.
 

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....fairly certain elite football.....similar to the elite in society.....will be able to get its hands on the the vaccine in the not too distant future
 

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It's up to twice a week in the premiership now.

Be interesting to see if Man City are kicked out of the league Cup if they can't fulfil their fixture with Man Utd. I mean Orient were kicked out for it. The cynic in me thinks it more likely they won't be and they will use the excuse that there is more time due to the final being delayed. Which while this is true is still a massive one rule for them and one for the other.
As you will see in the Spurs League Cup thread, you can only be kicked out up to the 4th round
 

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It's up to twice a week in the premiership now.

Be interesting to see if Man City are kicked out of the league Cup if they can't fulfil their fixture with Man Utd. I mean Orient were kicked out for it. The cynic in me thinks it more likely they won't be and they will use the excuse that there is more time due to the final being delayed. Which while this is true is still a massive one rule for them and one for the other.
Sounds about right for the premier league but then EFL is a different story and, if testing can’t increase due to funds, I can’t imagine it not having to be paused at some point in the near future.

I agree, City should be thrown out, like Orient, if they can’t fulfil the fixture...will make our winning the cup slightly easier once we’ve beaten Spurs.
 

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I think it’s almost inevitable that league one and below will be suspended in the very near future unless a solution to fund a more robust testing system can be found.

PL will almost certainly continue if possible and I suspect clubs and players will be given a very stern talking to by the league about their responsibilities.

Championship - I can’t remember how often clubs are tested at present?
 

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I think it’s almost inevitable that league one and below will be suspended in the very near future unless a solution to fund a more robust testing system can be found.

PL will almost certainly continue if possible and I suspect clubs and players will be given a very stern talking to by the league about their responsibilities.

Championship - I can’t remember how often clubs are tested at present?
Less often than would be ideal.

There is access to robust testing its just funding that’s required.
 

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I think it’s almost inevitable that league one and below will be suspended in the very near future unless a solution to fund a more robust testing system can be found.

PL will almost certainly continue if possible and I suspect clubs and players will be given a very stern talking to by the league about their responsibilities.

Championship - I can’t remember how often clubs are tested at present?
indeed....therein lies the problem......some professional footballers....it would seem.....are mixing with individuals who are not being tested as often as themselves.
 
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indeed....therein lies the problem......some professional footballers....it would seem.....are mixing with individuals who are not being tested as often as themselves.
.... and they may be in a ‘bubble’ at their club (every member tested) but that ‘bubble’ is fundamentally compromised when they mix with their family (and possibly friends) especially if they have children at school.
Makes a mockery of the system.
 
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The problem is I don’t believe they are tested all the time in the EFL ....
... I agree with others and think some sort of break seems inevitable now.
Agree beesbees.
Never understood why lower league football restarted without crowds. Totally unsustainable; no crowds - no revenue. Furlough the staff and use the bail-out money to keep the clubs afloat.
‘Integrity of the competition’ my @rse.
An empty season is a small price to pay if it avoids lower league decimation.
Even Championship teams (us include) must be struggling; but at least we seem to be the new Leeds so must be getting a fair bit of extra TV cash coming in.
Just thank our lucky stars this didn’t happen 10 years ago, and let’s not forget our old mates that are noe in the $h1t.
 

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Agree beesbees.
Never understood why lower league football restarted without crowds. Totally unsustainable; no crowds - no revenue. Furlough the staff and use the bail-out money to keep the clubs afloat.
‘Integrity of the competition’ my @rse.
An empty season is a small price to pay if it avoids lower league decimation.
Even Championship teams (us include) must be struggling; but at least we seem to be the new Leeds so must be getting a fair bit of extra TV cash coming in.
Just thank our lucky stars this didn’t happen 10 years ago, and let’s not forget our old mates that are noe in the $h1t.
Or needs external investment to fund the testing to give the best chance of sticking to the schedule and provide better protection for players.

Could the PFA not provide funding, as there job is the protection and welfare of players?
 

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.... and they may be in a ‘bubble’ at their club (every member tested) but that ‘bubble’ is fundamentally compromised when they mix with their family (and possibly friends) especially if they have children at school.
Makes a mockery of the system.
....in wider society....other professionals....for example nurses.....are being tested x 2 per week....their 'bubble' at work....I would argue is potentially a tad more compromised than that of a pro footballer.....however....even for nurses.....should they mix with others outside of work....and it does occur...they too run the risk of contamination......but for what its worth....should pro footballers be vaccinated before NHS frontline staff....the world will have gone mad.
 

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....in wider society....other professionals....for example nurses.....are being tested x 2 per week....their 'bubble' at work....I would argue is potentially a tad more compromised than that of a pro footballer.....however....even for nurses.....should they mix with others outside of work....and it does occur...they too run the risk of contamination......but for what its worth....should pro footballers be vaccinated before NHS frontline staff....the world will have gone mad.
...I think GP200 has hacked into your account...
 

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I think the footballers themselves need to take some part of the blame - it seems like they have forgotten the basic rules regarding Covid and reverted back to pre-Covid with hugging and spitting to name but 2 examples. Why on earth the authorities haven't stepped in to remind them of their responsibilities is beyond me but it can't be helping.

Definitely think Leagues One and Two will be suspended in Jan assuming the current level of positive tests continue as it distorts the league massively - for example Accrington have only played 16 games where several others have played 20 already.
 

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I think the footballers themselves need to take some part of the blame - it seems like they have forgotten the basic rules regarding Covid and reverted back to pre-Covid with hugging and spitting to name but 2 examples. Why on earth the authorities haven't stepped in to remind them of their responsibilities is beyond me but it can't be helping.

Definitely think Leagues One and Two will be suspended in Jan assuming the current level of positive tests continue as it distorts the league massively - for example Accrington have only played 16 games where several others have played 20 already.
It's beginning to look that way. It's a shame that some financial support for smaller clubs couldn't be sourced from the wealthier areas of the game. A test costs £150 after all so perhaps the PFA could step in and fund this? Don't think they will though and if they were asked there would be the usual procrastination.
 

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Unfortunately clubs in the EFL even some in the Championship can't afford to test their players once or what should be twice a week and it's not just the players all back room staff should be tested too. Unfortunately I see a national lockdown anyway by mid January with infection rates rocketing.
 

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Its been reported that the Oxford vaccine costs £3 per shot......so £6 per person, therefore it is affordable to Elite clubs and possibly clubs like ourselves. With the amount of money sloshing around in the FA etc, surely the vaccine could be made available to the lower leagues as well?
Maybe a Prem team could "sponsor" a smaller club?
The vaccine once stocks are manufactured will / should be available to purchase by anyone that wants it, however there will be the money made........"we have overheads etc, it may cost £6 for the two doses, but if you want it privately..........chuck us £200"........however does the Flu vaccine stop you from getting the Flu 100%...??
 

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It's beginning to look that way. It's a shame that some financial support for smaller clubs couldn't be sourced from the wealthier areas of the game. A test costs £150 after all so perhaps the PFA could step in and fund this? Don't think they will though and if they were asked there would be the usual procrastination.
Quite agree - there are also wider health implications as there will potentially be plenty of League 2 players who are displaying no symptoms inadvertently passing Covid on to their family as they are not being tested.
 

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The problem is I don’t believe they are tested all the time in the EFL.

The premier league has protocols in place that mean the players are being tested a minimum of once a week so they’ve largely been able to contain cases to one or two people when discovered (although that may not be as easy with the more transmissible variant) but in the EFL they do not have a mandated testing cycle and many clubs, due to the costs (weekly testing is about £10k a week I think), are testing very infrequently.

There was an interview with a league one chairman who ‘confessed’ most clubs are only testing once every six weeks or so meaning any cases can potentially spread, unchecked, through the team, staff and any opponents.
Maybe it was £10k a week initially but my daughter's 6th form college are introducing the lateral flow tests next week and will be testing 1000s per week. I can't believe they would do that if it was costing a similar pro rata amount. How many people do a lower league club have to test anyway. I think there were a number of lower league clubs moaning about the cost just because they had a platform to.

However, saying that I think halting L1, L2 and the National until say April would be sensible. How many of them have players at the Euros anyway?
 

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If most of the country continues to be in Tier 4 into January (which I predict) and they keep school opens (don’t get me started on that) then I can see them keeping elite sport open.

if they decide to close schools then it will be similar to lockdown 1 where everything shuts including sports.
 

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It's beginning to look that way. It's a shame that some financial support for smaller clubs couldn't be sourced from the wealthier areas of the game. A test costs £150 after all so perhaps the PFA could step in and fund this? Don't think they will though and if they were asked there would be the usual procrastination.
A single lateral flow test cost about £30, probably a how lot less if bought in bulk. If the PFA funded them probably get them out to the clubs for a tenner a go. They just need to get on with it.
 

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I was shocked that Raheem Sterling was in my locality in a chicken takeaway outlet without a mask and visiting his Mum in Farnham Royal. He is in a bubble of footballers , he shouldn't be visiting his mum however hard it is, his mum lives in the highest local covid area and that chicken outlet has extremely dodgy hygiene rating. He could easily have been picking up the new strain of Covid and spreading it in to the Man City squad and staff.
 

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Unfortunately clubs in the EFL even some in the Championship can't afford to test their players once or what should be twice a week and it's not just the players all back room staff should be tested too. Unfortunately I see a national lockdown anyway by mid January with infection rates rocketing.
I can't believe any championship club couldn't afford to test using the new tests now available at least twice a week - even Wycombe.
 
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Its been reported that the Oxford vaccine costs £3 per shot......so £6 per person, therefore it is affordable to Elite clubs and possibly clubs like ourselves. With the amount of money sloshing around in the FA etc, surely the vaccine could be made available to the lower leagues as well?
Maybe a Prem team could "sponsor" a smaller club?
The vaccine once stocks are manufactured will / should be available to purchase by anyone that wants it, however there will be the money made........"we have overheads etc, it may cost £6 for the two doses, but if you want it privately..........chuck us £200"........however does the Flu vaccine stop you from getting the Flu 100%...??
I’m sorry I don’t agree. We should follow the rules planed. What your saying to me is like letting the rich purchase the vaccine so they can jump the queue
 

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I’m sorry I don’t agree. We should follow the rules planed. What your saying to me is like letting the rich purchase the vaccine so they can jump the queue
I think some companies will look at purchasing the Oxford vaccine for all their staff so they can open their offices sooner. Its how drug companies run
 

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I think some companies will look at purchasing the Oxford vaccine for all their staff so they can open their offices sooner. Its how drug companies run
Double the amount of positive results in the latest round of tests compared to the previous week on the Premier League.
 

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I’m sorry I don’t agree. We should follow the rules planed. What your saying to me is like letting the rich purchase the vaccine so they can jump the queue
Like extremely rich foreign owners of British newspapers who can just rock up in their Range Rovers and get it on the NHS?

Anyway the chief executive of NHS England said today:
Sir Simon Stevens said:
We think that by late spring, with vaccine supplies continuing to come on stream, we will have been able to offer all vulnerable people across this country Covid vaccination. That perhaps provides the biggest chink of hope for the year ahead.
So, with the vulnerable all done by spring, there's hope for summer for the rest of us.
 

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The hugs and hand shakes should stop. It's so easy to relax, but maintain discipline and Championship football can keep going. Footballers in the top tiers are in a relatively privileged position. Don't ditch the hard work.
 

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I’m sorry I don’t agree. We should follow the rules planed. What your saying to me is like letting the rich purchase the vaccine so they can jump the queue
So you misread what I wrote......the cost of the vaccine has been reported to be £6 (two shots).........IF the vaccine was made available at that cost, how is it you say "it is like letting the rich jump the queue"?
£6....lets say £10 with admin costs.....less than a pack of fags or a couple of pints in some areas, less than a lot of people spent per person over Xmas.......I accept your comment regarding private companies charging more (as I said approx £200) and there will be those that do not wish to have the vaccine,therefore if the cost is £10,I still do not see your disagreement?
 

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I think some companies will look at purchasing the Oxford vaccine for all their staff so they can open their offices sooner. Its how drug companies run
Lots of companies already do their testing for staff and I do not see any reason at the costs being quoted, why more cannot do the same with the vaccine. It will help reduce the pressure on NHS services and the less fortunate will be able to get vaccinated quicker.....back to football, therefore if every club doctor could administer the "shots" to players and staff it will reduce the waiting time surely?
 

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