Covid and the future of games

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Nice piece by Oliver Holt on attending Stockport County games with his father, who has just died:
OLIVER HOLT: Mourning my father makes me realise what football means

Brings home just what it would mean if non-league clubs were forced to fold by Covid.
Absolutely wonderful piece. I really enjoy non-league football now, if I'm not on the games local to me I'll likely be found watching them. What's great to also see is gates increase for them when the bigger local clubs (Pompey, Southampton) are playing away, with stands packed with young fans. There's something you just don't get in a Premier League seat on a match day that you get locally.
 

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i wonder if the Prem will stay like this when we get back to "normal"... they must be loving it, one game on Friday eve, one game on Monday eve, and 4 back-to-back on Saturday and Sunday, reckon that's almost ideal for some, and might meet some large resistance if they're asked to revert to the previous way......
 

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i wonder if the Prem will stay like this when we get back to "normal"... they must be loving it, one game on Friday eve, one game on Monday eve, and 4 back-to-back on Saturday and Sunday, reckon that's almost ideal for some, and might meet some large resistance if they're asked to revert to the previous way......
Chances are the 3pm embargo will be reimposed as soon as restrictions are lifted to help retain the attendance at grounds (not that they'll need them to start with I suspect).

Viewing figures'll go through the floor once the games have crowds back I have no doubt. Most of the lads I know only have temporary subscriptions to NowTV/BT Sport which we'll all cancel off once we can go down the pub to watch the evening kick-offs again. Though again, I reckon to start with they'll be rammed too..
 

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Imo viewing figures will go up for tv as it's so boring watching games with no fans
 

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Chances are the 3pm embargo will be reimposed as soon as restrictions are lifted to help retain the attendance at grounds (not that they'll need them to start with I suspect).

Viewing figures'll go through the floor once the games have crowds back I have no doubt. Most of the lads I know only have temporary subscriptions to NowTV/BT Sport which we'll all cancel off once we can go down the pub to watch the evening kick-offs again. Though again, I reckon to start with they'll be rammed too..
I think you may be wrong on both counts.

Not only is the 3pm blackout a thing of the past, top division games will continued to be staggered across the week with only one or two kicking off at 3pm. The pandemic has only strengthened the position of the broadcasters.
 

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I think you may be wrong on both counts.

Not only is the 3pm blackout a thing of the past, top division games will continued to be staggered across the week with only one or two kicking off at 3pm. The pandemic has only strengthened the position of the broadcasters.
The two are not mutually exclusive - you could stagger all 10 games and still have a 3pm blackout depending on how many slots are free each week and whether these awkward slots like 5.30 on a Monday are remotely desirable

It will come down to what the PL (i.e. the clubs) think benefits them as far as I am concerned - it has always been them calling the shots, not the TV companies.
A 3pm kick off is easier for the away team travel and match going fans (haha remember them, they are stakeholder in this too apparently). And the clubs get get a ton of money for showing 5 or 6 games out of 10 each weekend. If they put all 10 up for sale will the broadcasters pay a lot more? Doubt it. Will fans pay correspondingly more to get access to what are largely a load of mediocre games? Doubt that too. And if they bring more broadcasters in to the parade Sky might actually be willing to pay less with their power diluted further.

There is certainly an argument that the genie is out of the bottle now and broadcasters will do whatever they can to maintain this "new normal" with games at 3pm etc whilst people are used to it.
 

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The 3pm blackout is largely redundant now anyway given that there are games immediately before and after it.
 

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The 3pm blackout is largely redundant now anyway given that there are games immediately before and after it.
Yes that is probably true. Do people really go and watch their local team if they know there is a decent game on at 12:30 and 5:30? Some do, but many don't.

Time to impose a blackout for the whole of Saturday I reckon ;)
 

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Regarding the return to going to matches:

It strikes me as odd that we are talking about no fans at all (apart from trials) until May, when we had 2,000 at matches in tier 2 briefly in December?

But then we might have 10k at Wembley in May and 90k in late June?

I appreciate asking for consistent policies at this stage is asking a lot .... but I wonder if they might magic up a relaxation to what is allowed as part of step 2 in April.
 

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Don’t think the Premier League will give 2 hoots about the Football League, if the money is good enough they will agree to whatever kick off suits the Broadcaster.

I think Sky, BT etc are delighted they can televise games more or less every evening plus Saturdays and Sundays, as the revenue from advertisers is probably significantly increased.

The genie is well out of its bottle and I can’t see us returning to “the good old days”. For the teams in the Premier League it probably makes very little difference whether they play Friday Saturday Sunday or Monday providing there is enough rest time in between games.
 

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Odd turn of phrase, makes it sound like they are annoyed with his attitude!
 

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Every EFL Game took place this weekend
No Postponements for Covid or weather

Must be first time since early December..
 

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Wessex and Southern Leagues about to combine to do a cup contest for the remainder of the season.

From what I'm hearing, not many leagues will be coming back at all locally to me :(
 

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I hope that this is now the correct thread

Rotherham have 3rd game in a week postponed
They will have four games to rearrange after Saturday

Running out of time
April 13th
April 27th
May 4th
Only 3 free I think.

Will they play Tues Thur Saturday

Or will last week get delayed ?

I think the best day would be Thursday after Easter

So they play
Mon 5th
Thur 8th
And theirs and Coventry games get moved to
Sun 11th
And the next is Weds 14th
 

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I know this relates to UEFA and Internationals etc, but might this report from today's Netherlands v Latvia game in Amsterdam give a pointer to domestic games here in England?

'Uefa want proof that fans will be able to attend'
Matthew Kenyon, BBC World Service in Amsterdam

The 55,000-capacity Cruijff Arena housed 5,000 fans for Netherlands' qualifier against Latvia.

Stand-in skipper Gini Wijnaldum of Liverpool sent a message to everyone via one of the compulsory apps this morning saying how much the players were looking forward to the experience.

Everyone who is here has had to download a couple of apps, for information and tracing purposes - and we all have had to show a negative test result taken in the last 24 hours. I did mine this morning - the (negative) result came through within 15 minutes.

If the experiment works, this will open the way for fans to come back in some numbers - maybe even before the end of the domestic season. But this is also being done with the demand of the European Championship in mind - Uefa want proof that fans will be able to attend.

The proof of whether it's a success or otherwise - in a country where the coronavirus numbers are on their way back up - will only come in the days after the event. We all have to have another test next week.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56550520
 

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If this is correct (and the Sun can be a favoured vehicle for govt. leaks) then admission to ‘major sports stadiums’ (which presumably includes us?) will require COVID vaccine certificates.
 

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8000 fans allowed in for the Carabao cup final.

"... fans from each side will be able to cheer on their teams... ...and club allocations will be announced separately in due course.

Remaining allocations of tickets will be for groups including local residents in Brent and similarly NHS staff, who will be offered tickets as a ‘thank-you’ for the incredible service that has been provided during the Covid-19 pandemic."


I read somewhere that wrt each side getting an allocation etc, the government is still concerned by the prospect of large groups of people travelling long distances to Wembley (coach, train etc).

I wonder will both clubs be required to sell only to their supporters who live within a certain distance of Wembley?

(Cue the old joke about Man U filling Wembley with "locals" had they got to the Final)
 

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"... fans from each side will be able to cheer on their teams... ...and club allocations will be announced separately in due course.

Remaining allocations of tickets will be for groups including local residents in Brent and similarly NHS staff, who will be offered tickets as a ‘thank-you’ for the incredible service that has been provided during the Covid-19 pandemic."


I read somewhere that wrt each side getting an allocation etc, the government is still concerned by the prospect of large groups of people travelling long distances to Wembley (coach, train etc).

I wonder will both clubs be required to sell only to their supporters who live within a certain distance of Wembley?

(Cue the old joke about Man U filling Wembley with "locals" had they got to the Final)

Many thanks
 

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If this is correct (and the Sun can be a favoured vehicle for govt. leaks) then admission to ‘major sports stadiums’ (which presumably includes us?) will require COVID vaccine certificates.
I called this a year ago and people thought I was a crazy conspiracy theorist. After a year of f***ing with peoples heads they will now accept 'whatever it takes(?)' to have a taste of a watered down version of what was before!!! If people bother to change their information sources, just for a while, they may get a flavour of the true direction we're going.....
 

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I called this a year ago and people thought I was a crazy conspiracy theorist. After a year of f***ing with peoples heads they will now accept 'whatever it takes(?)' to have a taste of a watered down version of what was before!!! If people bother to change their information sources, just for a while, they may get a flavour of the true direction we're going.....
It does feel like the thin end of the wedge.
Crazy how the majority are lapping this up without any questioning of the precedent that is being set :(
 

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I'm waiting for The Sun's leaked news-tester that you'll need a sick note to enter a pharmacy... the new black-covered Health Passport.
 

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Earlier this month, the 2021 Carabao Cup Final between Manchester City and Tottenham Hotspur was confirmed as part the UK Government’s Events Research Programme, a series of scientific pilot events that will help gather insight and evidence to help get big crowds back this summer.

With 8,000 people permitted to attend Wembley Stadium on Sunday 25 April (4.30pm), the Carabao Cup Final will be the first football fixture to have club supporters back this year, marking a welcome return for the English professional game. The EFL is pleased to participate in the Events Research Programme as we seek a full return of fans to stadia for the start of next season.

Having worked extensively with authorities, the EFL can confirm that 2,000 tickets will be allocated to each Finalist club (4,000 total) with the remaining allocation split between groups including Brent residents and NHS staff as a thank-you for the unwavering support that has been provided throughout the pandemic.

Further information regarding ticketing for club supporters is now available on club websites which Manchester City fans can access here and Tottenham Hotspur fans here.

As part of the Events Research Programme, anybody seeking to attend the fixture should familiarise themselves with important information regarding eligibility for attendance, as set out by the UK Government:

IMPORTANT INFORMATION FOR PROSPECTIVE ATTENDEES

The pilot events will incorporate research studies to gather evidence on the risks associated with coronavirus transmission, the characteristics of events and surrounding activities, and the extent to which mitigation measures can effectively address these risks

Mandatory requirements are as follows:

  • In order to attend the Carabao Cup Final and participate in the UK Government’s ERP, fans will be required to complete a consent form, which will be sent to all those successful in applying for a ticket via clubs.
  • Anyone under the age of 18 is not permitted to apply for a ticket to or attend this fixture.
  • Supporters that are clinically extremely vulnerable or pregnant should not apply for tickets to this fixture.
  • All match attendees must undertake a lateral flow COVID-19 test 24 hours prior to attending the match and bring proof of a negative result (SMS text message or e-mail) with you to gain entry to the stadium, without exception.
  • It is the responsibility of attendees to organise a lateral flow test, which can be done by visiting the Government’s website. For the avoidance of doubt, this test must be carried out at a rapid lateral flow test site - a lateral flow test taken at home will not be accepted. This service is free to use.
Additional asks include:

  • To aid Government research, participants are requested to undertake a PCR COVID-19 home test prior to the event.
  • Participants are also requested to undertake a PCR COVID-19 home test again five days after the event. Details of how to order your free PCR at home tests will be provided to successful applicants prior to the event.
Travel

To enable safe attendance at the Carabao Cup Final, travel criteria has been produced in consultation with DCMS, Public Health England, Brent Council, The FA and all transport stakeholders (TFL, Network Rail, Chiltern Railway, Avanti Westcoast, BTP, Met Police, Highways England and Brent Council Highways Team).

  • Spectators travelling by designated and pre-arranged services (train or coach) will be required to show proof of a negative lateral flow device test prior to boarding.
  • In order to mitigate the risk of transmission and manage the customer journey, fans travelling from Manchester are being assigned to specific travel modes – this includes coach, rail and car.
  • Assigned travel for spectators is mandated for those outside of Greater London in order to support Club Fans attendance, at this scale, for this event.
For further information, EFL ticketing Conditions of Issue can be accessed here.
 

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Just to watch a football match?!

I’ll watch it on the tv. 👍
 

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Can we stop copy abs pasting articles in here please!!!! A link works just fine.
 

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Can we stop copy abs pasting articles in here please!!!! A link works just fine.
Sorry fruit. Through as similar arrangements might be applicable to us that cut and paste would be ok.

Noted for the future 👍
 

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