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................................according to that list, sixth season didn't look too bad!!...........................;)



BTW Agree totally with all your other comments


PS Some VERY funny comments about Giggs on last nights Have I Got News For You, try to catch the re-run, whenever it is sometime next wek
Yes, saw it...more or less saying lock up your wife and daughters when he's nearby!

I missed out a season for Ferguson. His first 7 seasons with Man. U. were 11th, 2nd, 11th, 13th, 6th, 2nd, and 1st.

Moyes would have also beaten Norwich today, as most teams have, so nothing remarkable there for Giggs.
 

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If they had treated Ferguson the same way, when he started with them back in 1986, and judged him on his early performances, he would have been sacked within 2 seasons, using the same criteria.

It took him 7 seasons to win his first Premier League title, and look how comparatively poor his first 6 seasons were ---
11th, 2nd, 11th, 13th, 2nd, 1st..
True but it was a different club back then, one which had struggled for years to get over the Busby era and apart from the odd cup had not won the league for (20?) years and Europe was a distant memory. They even got relegated to the old Div 1. AF built them into the club on which their global brand is now based. Moyes took over a very different club to AF.
 

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Wow - Leicester 5-3 up now. Perhaps the Man U board realise Moyes wasn't so bad after all. He might have had no success, but at least he didn't cost them £120 million to get hammered by Leicester.
 
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I don't think it's down to DM or LVG really, they were always going to struggle after Whisky Nose left, but so many of their key players just seemed to either retire or come to the end of their usefulness at the same time. All they need to do is replace Ferdinand and Vidic and they'll probably be right up there again.
 

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Wow - Leicester 5-3 up now. Perhaps the Man U board realise Moyes wasn't so bad after all. He might have had no success, but at least he didn't cost them £120 million to get hammered by Leicester.
I guess he is having a quiet chuckle to himself tonight.
 

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Treated a good manager like sh**, I like the current chap in charge now and his 'philosophy' lol
 

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I don't think it's down to DM or LVG really, they were always going to struggle after Whisky Nose left, but so many of their key players just seemed to either retire or come to the end of their usefulness at the same time. All they need to do is replace Ferdinand and Vidic and they'll probably be right up there again.
Agree on DM but LVG has spent over 100 million, he has no excuses. He inherited a sh*t team, and decided that the defence need no work, despite it being poor. Also with the exception of Di Maria, who's done quite well, all his big money signing have been a bit sh*t. Lets be honest over 100 million spent and he has five points from five games, and they have played no one decent and have played all 3 newly promoted sides and none of the big sides.

When they come up against a City, Chelsea, Arsenal etc, they are going to get a right spanking.
 

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how's he going to communicate? I doubt even the English speakers will understand him
 

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Said in an interview that one of the reasons he has taken the job is because Sir Alex said do. Won't he ever learn !!!!
 

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Is it me, or is there really nothing in this?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39484238

No complaint was made, it seems to have been said in jest and the reporter is heard laughing at Moyes' comment. Some outlets in the media are presenting it as 'Moyes threatens her with a slap.' Still, it makes a good story, I suppose. He's apologised, so that ought to be an end to it.
 

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I haven't paid any attention to this incident so probably shouldn't comment, but since his stint at Manchester United, the media and society's attitude towards him has been very disrespectful L, especially as he wasn't much worse than Mourinho has been and spent considerably less.
 

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Is it me, or is there really nothing in this?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39484238

No complaint was made, it seems to have been said in jest and the reporter is heard laughing at Moyes' comment. Some outlets in the media are presenting it as 'Moyes threatens her with a slap.' Still, it makes a good story, I suppose. He's apologised, so that ought to be an end to it.
Had heard nothing about it till I can home from golf and heard Durham spouting off on Talk ***** and trying to create a massive mountain out of a very small molehill
 

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who has forgotten about Moyes blaming us for throwing bottles on the pitch when we bet Everton on penalties? when it was his own fans, the blokes an idiot..
 

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Had heard nothing about it till I can home from golf and heard Durham spouting off on Talk ***** and trying to create a massive mountain out of a very small molehill
Lead item this afternoon on 5Live Sport's news.....and Moyes has apologised, accepting he was very much in the wrong. Normally I hate Durham, but thought he made some very valid points on the show today.
 

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Labelled as sexist by a woman mp?! Why does everything have to be sexist or racist? He made a silly comment, what does she want equal oppurtunities for women to be hit?!
 

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Labelled as sexist by a woman mp?! Why does everything have to be sexist or racist? He made a silly comment, what does she want equal oppurtunities for women to be hit?!
She would do well to mind her own business and concentrate on the job she's being paid to do rather than cheapening sexism by tying it to this. Sure, it was a silly, even slightly odd thing to say, but it was clearly said in jest and he and the reporter have resolved any perceived grievance. Just another non story for the gutter press to get their teeth into and for the FA to involve themselves in to save effecting the change the game in this country is crying out for.
 

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Is it me, or is there really nothing in this?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39484238

No complaint was made, it seems to have been said in jest and the reporter is heard laughing at Moyes' comment. Some outlets in the media are presenting it as 'Moyes threatens her with a slap.' Still, it makes a good story, I suppose. He's apologised, so that ought to be an end to it.
I don't think a clearly nervous laugh is "oh that's ok then". Like Chalky at work laughing at the racist jokes. Oh and he's apologised, that's ok then.

Not saying he is "bang to rights", but your 'defence' of him is very very weak.
 

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I don't think a clearly nervous laugh is "oh that's ok then". Like Chalky at work laughing at the racist jokes. Oh and he's apologised, that's ok then.

Not saying he is "bang to rights", but your 'defence' of him is very very weak.
With you on this one and the comparison is a good one. What if she hadn't laughed and made little of it at the time, we would then of had the stupid argument of women in a man's game and shouldn't be involved if she wasn't prepared to accept this sort of crap.
 

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Not a very funny joke. Clearly not about to go into stand-up. Then again, I remember well my first day at work. I completely mucked everything up. Come to think of it, I still do.:(
 

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Labelled as sexist by a woman mp?! Why does everything have to be sexist or racist? He made a silly comment, what does she want equal oppurtunities for women to be hit?!
It's the world we live in, lefties have killed us, it's all racist or sexist to suit agendas of people who want to make a career or a point, it's a crying shame as relations between everyone improved as people began to grow up but it's all taking a backward turn these days.
 

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5 Live which seems to have turned into lesbian FM are all over this. They had Rachael Anderson on earlier who was suggesting that he should be sent on an awareness course as this sort of thing is totally unactable, she then went on to say that she understood that perhaps men of a certain age might think this sort of "banter" is ok, so that must make her an ageist, so perhaps she should go on a course!

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
 

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The gibbeting will take place before Easter, he's done in football.
 

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The gibbeting will take place before Easter, he's done in football.
Your probably right about being done in football, not sure he wasn't at the end of his managerial career anyway as Sunderland will most likely get relegated and he will get sacked at the end of the season which would add to his list of failures. The FA will most probably charge him and he will get a ban of some sort.

Diversity is the big topic for the FA at the moment as they seek to avoid Government intervention so his timing was not good for this sort of comment even if offhand and in jest, there may be great pressure on the FA to show action over this given his high profile.

Was he that right to deserve all this? not sure as it depends on the context of the comment was said which we are not fully aware of, it is not a sexist comment as such but will be construed as promoting violence against women.

I don't like though how certain people and lobby groups jump on the pious bandwagon to promote their own interests. This was at the end of the day at worst an offhand and silly comment not the words of a violent man.
 

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I've only read what he said but can't really understand why you'd say that to someone ?
 

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I've only read what he said but can't really understand why you'd say that to someone ?
I took it purely as a bit of banter at the end of an interview that he simply pitched at the wrong level. Nothing particularly sexist - indeed one could make the case that he was talking to her very much in the manner of how he may have addressed a male interviewer. Like many cases of this type it was simply said without enough thought and while not to be admired it should not have attracted the lynch mob that it seems it has - he's apologised, she has accepted the apology, end of.
 

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I took it purely as a bit of banter at the end of an interview that he simply pitched at the wrong level. Nothing particularly sexist - indeed one could make the case that he was talking to her very much in the manner of how he may have addressed a male interviewer. Like many cases of this type it was simply said without enough thought and while not to be admired it should not have attracted the lynch mob that it seems it has - he's apologised, she has accepted the apology, end of.
I agree. We don't know the context, whether is was a whimsical remark or delivered with aggression, but I'd assume it was the former. How this has been turned into a PC circus is ridiculous.
 

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Of course it was meant to be lighthearted, but the wider context is important as well. 5 live is missing this context and only focusing on was Moyes being sexist? should he go on a course? etc in a feeble "political correctness gone mad, it's only banter type way.

His choice of words was extremely poor and, for people who don't hear the tone, violent. If you do hear the tone then it's a different type of "even if you're a woman" patronising sexism.

Moyes is a public figure speaking publically and he has set a very poor example. He probably realises that, which is why he has apologised.

The truth is that women do get slapped and worse and still suffer discrimination in all sorts of areas. That's what 5 live should be debating.
 

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The fact that the " be offended for someone " lot have totally disregarded the fact that the BBC reporter was laughing , didn't make a complaint and accepted his apology says it all.

Stupid comment , millions have done similar , lets move on.
 

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Of course it was meant to be lighthearted, but the wider context is important as well. 5 live is missing this context and only focusing on was Moyes being sexist? should he go on a course? etc in a feeble "political correctness gone mad, it's only banter type way.

His choice of words was extremely poor and, for people who don't hear the tone, violent. If you do hear the tone then it's a different type of "even if you're a woman" patronising sexism.

Moyes is a public figure speaking publically and he has set a very poor example. He probably realises that, which is why he has apologised.

The truth is that women do get slapped and worse and still suffer discrimination in all sorts of areas. That's what 5 live should be debating.
Our own SJW speaks. Blokes get hit by women, kids get hit by parents, animals get walloped by people and blokes hit women amongst other rubbish things that happen at the hands of bad people. Moyes is a dick but I don't believe he needs to be the poster boy for the feminist movement, managing Sunderland is enough punishment for me.
 

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Our own SJW speaks. Blokes get hit by women, kids get hit by parents, animals get walloped by people and blokes hit women amongst other rubbish things that happen at the hands of bad people. Moyes is a dick but I don't believe he needs to be the poster boy for the feminist movement, managing Sunderland is enough punishment for me.
I absolutely agree that Moyes shouldn't be a symbol of sexism and taken to the cleaners for this.
 

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The fact that the " be offended for someone " lot have totally disregarded the fact that the BBC reporter was laughing , didn't make a complaint and accepted his apology says it all.

Stupid comment , millions have done similar , lets move on.
It's not only banter though, the overall context is important. It reveals the attitudes that still exist in football. It's not the nasty end of sexism but it feeds into some nasty attitudes to women. We should be getting better from our public figures.
 

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It's not only banter though, the overall context is important. It reveals the attitudes that still exist in football. It's not the nasty end of sexism but it feeds into some nasty attitudes to women. We should be getting better from our public figures.
I agree :eek: but its the OTT reaction that grates. I have always suspected Moyes is only rowing with one oar !
 

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.....slightly off kilter....but it did bemuse me, seeing so many young women following those thugs/cowards out of the police station in croydon yesterday....feminism in action.
 

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I don't think a clearly nervous laugh is "oh that's ok then". Like Chalky at work laughing at the racist jokes. Oh and he's apologised, that's ok then.

Not saying he is "bang to rights", but your 'defence' of him is very very weak.
Agree absolutely. It doesn't sound like she's joining in with his "banter". Let's not forget all the women who have been abused and how listening to his remarks affects them.
 

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Agree absolutely. It doesn't sound like she's joining in with his "banter". Let's not forget all the women who have been abused and how listening to his remarks affects them.
If people didn't make jokes/slips/remarks that offended people from time to time then how would people like you survive without a crusade?
I would point out that I detest men that hit women or children and although I'm getting older now, I would punch them as hard as I could if I saw them in action, a moral crusade over a ill advised comment, erm, you can count me out.
 

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Come on chaps, last week Radio 2 had an hour long segment on whether it was OK to pick daffodils from the roadside. One day's storm in a tea cup does not represent any sort of bandwagon, it's just the way the news cycle works these days. And he was clearly wrong to say it, so deserves a couple of days embarassment and a fine, which is all he'll get.
 

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I must be getting old and no doubt will be labelled a sexist bigoted dinosaur by some. I can live with that. I couldn't care less whether the interviewer was male/female, old/young, black, white or sky-blue pink.

He made was was intended as a light-hearted comment, which from what we can hear was taken in that way. No, it wasn't particularly funny and yes, it was probably ill-advised, but for commentators and posters to start linking this with properly serious stuff like abuse of women is ridiculous. Some people need to find things to worry about which are actually important. Even though it wasn't funny, it seems no-one's allowed to make a joke any more without someone being offended on someone else's behalf.
 

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If people didn't make jokes/slips/remarks that offended people from time to time then how would people like you survive without a crusade?
I would point out that I detest men that hit women or children and although I'm getting older now, I would punch them as hard as I could if I saw them in action, a moral crusade over a ill advised comment, erm, you can count me out.
I've made it clear that what Moyes said is not the main thing to worry about. It is what it feeds into. We live in a sexist society, where women are paid less, have less opportunity in every walk of life, are made into poster commodities just on their looks. All this feeds into all too common violence against women from slapping to sexual abuse.

My wife says that she feels that she has to dress in trousers to avoid sexism. As soon as she wears a skirt it all starts, to me that shows how sexism is still pervasive.

Just because you don't see any injustice, doesn't mean it's not there.
 

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I've made it clear that what Moyes said is not the main thing to worry about. It is what it feeds into. We live in a sexist society, where women are paid less, have less opportunity in every walk of life, are made into poster commodities just on their looks. All this feeds into all too common violence against women from slapping to sexual abuse.

My wife says that she feels that she has to dress in trousers to avoid sexism. As soon as she wears a skirt it all starts, to me that shows how sexism is still pervasive.

Just because you don't see any injustice, doesn't mean it's not there.
Did you take these words from the problem pages of Viz?
Luckily my wife wears whatever she likes and isn't married to someone who sees things that aren't there and creates illusions to feed his desire to see wrong in everybody, she's one lucky woman.
And for your information, I was brought up in a house where women were slapped by a big man, I've seen more on this subject than a lot of people on this slapping women subject, David Moyes hasn't fed anyone as per your earlier post, you lot make more problems with your crusades IMO.
 

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Did you take these words from the problem pages of Viz?
Luckily my wife wears whatever she likes and isn't married to someone who sees things that aren't there and creates illusions to feed his desire to see wrong in everybody, she's one lucky woman.
And for your information, I was brought up in a house where women were slapped by a big man, I've seen more on this subject than a lot of people on this slapping women subject, David Moyes hasn't fed anyone as per your earlier post, you lot make more problems with your crusades IMO.
Different people react in different ways to sexist comments. My wife doesn't like it.

So I'm creating illusions just to satisfy my need for a crusade? No sexism is everywhere and it's the "It's only banter" who are kidding themselves. Thank goodness even the FA is ahead of you.
 

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Different people react in different ways to sexist comments. My wife doesn't like it.

So I'm creating illusions just to satisfy my need for a crusade? No sexism is everywhere and it's the "It's only banter" who are kidding themselves. Thank goodness even the FA is ahead of you.
Wow, sexism everywhere now, you really are a nutjob, aren't you?
 

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Wow, sexism everywhere now, you really are a nutjob, aren't you?
I could produce pages of evidence about how many women are in top jobs, how there is more violence against women, how women still get paid 2/3 (approx) of what men get for comparable jobs, how women are portrayed in the media, how many women do the childcare and work or are single mothers compared to the number of single fathers, the list is endless....

But just occasionally the ignorant should back their ideas up with evidence.
 

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Different people react in different ways to sexist comments. My wife doesn't like it.

So I'm creating illusions just to satisfy my need for a crusade? No sexism is everywhere and it's the "It's only banter" who are kidding themselves. Thank goodness even the FA is ahead of you.
Sexism everywhere? What a crock of sh*te.....
My work's CEO? Woman
My work's MD? Woman
My clients? 11 out of 12 are women
My most senior client (Chief Marketing Officer)? Woman
Her boss (CEO)? Woman

I am sure that sexism exists in some places, but it is not everywhere
 

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Agree absolutely. It doesn't sound like she's joining in with his "banter". Let's not forget all the women who have been abused and how listening to his remarks affects them.
I saw it and there was nothing wrong at all. A bit of banter between two grown up consenting adults.This sort of thing goes on in workplaces everywhere. Grow up and move on.
 

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