Diego Maradona

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The own goal by Terry Butcher?

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You just made me Google because I was unaware of that theory. Just seen it three times and I think you're right! Cancel that. It's not the best goal I've ever seen. Congratulations Roger, your second against Chester in 1973 is back on top slot. :sorted:

 

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I thought it was an OG as it happened, however ever since then I think Butcher prbably made some contact with foot and ball, Maradona played injured in the final from Butchers tackle as he caught him on the ankle ant twisted it.
 

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Regarding that goal (the dribble, not the handball), I noticed an interesting anecdote which illustrates why Maradona was so loved, as well as admired, by his teammates:

Diego Maradona was a team player. He was loved by those who played with him. This is not a mandatory accessory to genius. Don Bradman, for example, the greatest batsman of his age, perhaps any age, was loathed by some of his Australia team-mates and disliked by others.

Maradona, in contrast, was adored in the dressing room for his generosity of spirit and for the belief that his individual performance only meant something if the collective prevailed. Valdano, an excellent player and perhaps the best to convey the experience of being an elite performer, was at Maradona’s side as he careered through the England defence for that goal. It was a goal, of course, in the same way that a glorious, life-affirming sunset is simply a trick of the light.

Valdano said: “Diego apologised to me. He could see me unmarked the whole way but he could not find a gap to get to the ball to me. I mean, even on a run like that he still has the time to look up and see me.”
Hugh MacDonald: Day in the Hampden sun a teenage Diego Maradona confirmed hype to Scottish fans
 

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I remember that in 1973 in an inter-house match an opponent's shot clearly hit my hand in the penalty area. I bent down in apparent discomfort and starting rubbing my chest. My acting must have convinced the referee as he didn't give a penalty, despite our opponents shouting loudly for a spotkick.

Fortunately, even though it's only 47 years, my opponents seem to have forgiven me for my cheating. They'd probably a) say RIP if I died tomorrow and b) remember me for my total ineptness at playing football..

Just saying.

Meanwhile, RIP Maradona.
 

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I remember that in 1973 in an inter-house match an opponent's shot clearly hit my hand in the penalty area. I bent down in apparent discomfort and starting rubbing my chest. My acting must have convinced the referee as he didn't give a penalty, despite our opponents shouting loudly for a spotkick.

Fortunately, even though it's only 47 years, my opponents seem to have forgiven me for my cheating. They'd probably a) say RIP if I died tomorrow and b) remember me for my total ineptness at playing football..

Just saying.

Meanwhile, RIP Maradona.
A very bold confession. Some people would view you in the same way as they would, say just for example, the Yorkshire Ripper.
 

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A very bold confession. Some people would view you in the same way as they would, say just for example, the Yorkshire Ripper.
I thought long and hard, and sought guidance from my priest. But finally I decided that the world had a right to know.
 

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I thought long and hard, and sought guidance from my priest. But finally I decided that the world had a right to know.
Well, I for one hope you feel cleansed and I wish you well.
 

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[Pele] The complete forward and a 3x World Cup winner. His Wiki entry is ridiculous, in a good way, but back to Maradona....
I remember some contemporary of his noting that no-one ever broke more legs than Pele! Meaning that while others like eg Eusebio or Best didn't usually respond to the brutal treatment they received from defenders, Pele gave as good as he got.

Not that that should be levelled as a criticism of Pele - I reckon most mortals would succumb to provocation when it was happening match after match.

But back to Maradona...
 

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The complete forward and a 3x World Cup winner. His Wiki entry is ridiculous, in a good way, but back to Maradona....
I particularly liked him being declared a National Treasure in 1961 to prevent him playing abroad, and being the cause of a couple of days ceasefire in the Nigerian Civil War, whilst everyone watched him in a Santos exhibition game...
Back to Maradona....
 

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To any youngster born in the last 20 years, the only goal they’ve probably ever seen Maradona score on tv, is the 2nd England goal. TBH I can’t recall/think of seeing another Maradona goal (apart from “hand of god” goal) 🤷🏼‍♂️
 

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He lived his life to the fullest - good for him. Coupled with the fact he was the greatest player ever. His achievement at the 1986 World Cup was amazing but his playing career at Napoli was just simply exceptional.

Will always be remembered for good and bad but mostly good for what he brought to the football pitch.

The man was a genius which nobody can argue with.
had great talent but the trouble is his performances were drug assisted. Could he have done what he did without assistance? Bit like allowing an athlete to retain medals after drug cheating.
 

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I only knew him as a footballer, and in that he was a genius with the ball. We are none of us perfect and its great to watch the best at their art.

If all you know is his goals against England, do some research and you will be glad you did, he was brilliant to watch playing football.

RIP DM
 

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Cocaine will under no circumstances enhance your performance on the football pitch.
I'll leave that observation to those who have more knowledge than me. Maradona looked a tad fired up in the world cup. I thought he was going to eat the camera.l have only taken dextrosol sugar tablets when l was eight.
 

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I'll leave that observation to those who have more knowledge than me. Maradona looked a tad fired up in the world cup. I thought he was going to eat the camera.l have only taken dextrosol sugar tablets when l was eight.
He was on Ephedrine there, where he lost 2 stone in the month before the World Cup...

 

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had great talent but the trouble is his performances were drug assisted. Could he have done what he did without assistance? Bit like allowing an athlete to retain medals after drug cheating.
Ahh...I had a feeling there was something very fishy about his goals in the 86 finals.
 

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Pele was as good, and a nice man too.
Lots of video's out there of Pele leaving a foot in, going over the top with studs and headbutting opponents, you need an edge to be the best and none of them were angels.
The complete forward and a 3x World Cup winner. His Wiki entry is ridiculous, in a good way, but back to Maradona....
Pele knew how to milk his name, lots and lots of half truths in his wiki and biographies.

He sat out most of the 62 World Cup when Brazil won, about 600 of his self lorded 1200 goals were in exhibition games against park teams. He never finished top scorer in WC, is nowhere in the list of top scorers, appearance makers or most games won in WC competitions and is most famous moments were both misses.
Of course he was brilliant, but he played with equally brilliant players and picked none of them in his all time list of 150 top players when some would argue they were better than he was, he did this to raise his own importance.
 

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As soon as I saw the replay in 86, I said to Mrs WB that was an OG by Butcher!!!
Watching it at the time I thought it was Terry Fenwick the England player that scored the 2nd goal. The picture quality wasnt good enough for me to see who got the final touch. But everybody said it was Maradona”s wonder goal so I assumed I was wrong.
 

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Lots of video's out there of Pele leaving a foot in, going over the top with studs and headbutting opponents, you need an edge to be the best and none of them were angels.


Pele knew how to milk his name, lots and lots of half truths in his wiki and biographies.

He sat out most of the 62 World Cup when Brazil won, about 600 of his self lorded 1200 goals were in exhibition games against park teams. He never finished top scorer in WC, is nowhere in the list of top scorers, appearance makers or most games won in WC competitions and is most famous moments were both misses.
Of course he was brilliant, but he played with equally brilliant players and picked none of them in his all time list of 150 top players when some would argue they were better than he was, he did this to raise his own importance.
Forget the exhibition goals and concentrate on the 500 or so he scored for Santos in around 400 games when the oppo were trying to kick sh*t out of him in every game. Please don't tell me the top League in Brazil was weak cos it wasn't. There's plenty of video to show what he could do including a hat trick in a world cup final at 17.
Maradona had great talent for sure but it wasn't sustained for obvious reasons. If he had stayed fit and clean then who knows?
My family are from Naples and l can tell you they are in the streets now mourning his loss.He had two great seasons for them out of three and got them the great prize twice. As one of my neapolitan cousins says,' Women, drugs, alcohol , it's the only way to live.' Tuck on Mafia connected and cheat and that's why he cant be number one..
 

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He said that the handball wasn’t cheating. It’s not the handball that’s upsetting, it was his response, as though it’s all perfectly acceptable to make fool of the game, the referee, the honourable opposition, and the fans, the people that pay his wages. It detracts from his otherwise legendary status. More fool him, I think. It reminds me of Thatcher’s response when Germany beat us in the World Cup in Mexico. When she was reminded of the result by a German Politician, she replied by saying that although we were beaten in our national game, he would do well to remember that we’d beaten them twice in their national game.
 

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He was a real character and characters are few and far between the mass of boring, self important mediocrity that forms the 95% + of humanity; uneducated, stunted, but a strong and barrel chested powerhouse, who could dance through the vicious tackles; from a poor, rock- bottom background, a marvellous talent emerged, with generous instincts.
This, noone can deny, or take from his legacy; multi million numbers of more educated and culturally advantaged bourgeois nonentities, who were not in crippling pain from injury, snort coke, etc, everyday and live lives indulgently and generally behave without self- restraint or a moral compass, but they amount to a hill of beans and will be forgotten, yesterday.
 
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He sat out most of the 62 World Cup when Brazil won
Or alternatively, he was kicked to smithereens in the first two games and was forced to miss the rest of the tournament through injury.
But speaking of 62, the Brazilian star of that tournament was Garrincha who (bringing it back to Maradona) was perhaps the player most like him - short, stocky, legs like tree-trunks, brilliant dribbler, complicated personal life, substance abuse (booze for Garrincha, drugs for Diego), died before his time.
 

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He said that the handball wasn’t cheating. It’s not the handball that’s upsetting, it was his response, as though it’s all perfectly acceptable to make fool of the game, the referee, the honourable opposition, and the fans, the people that pay his wages. It detracts from his otherwise legendary status. More fool him, I think. It reminds me of Thatcher’s response when Germany beat us in the World Cup in Mexico. When she was reminded of the result by a German Politician, she replied by saying that although we were beaten in our national game, he would do well to remember that we’d beaten them twice in their national game.
And which battles did she see?
 

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Or alternatively, he was kicked to smithereens in the first two games and was forced to miss the rest of the tournament through injury.
But speaking of 62, the Brazilian star of that tournament was Garrincha who (bringing it back to Maradona) was perhaps the player most like him - short, stocky, legs like tree-trunks, brilliant dribbler, complicated personal life, substance abuse (booze for Garrincha, drugs for Diego), died before his time.
Garrincha had the unnatural advantage, for dribbling, of one leg being longer (or should that be shorter?) than the other....
 

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Forget the exhibition goals and concentrate on the 500 or so he scored for Santos in around 400 games when the oppo were trying to kick sh*t out of him in every game. Please don't tell me the top League in Brazil was weak cos it wasn't. There's plenty of video to show what he could do including a hat trick in a world cup final at 17.
Maradona had great talent for sure but it wasn't sustained for obvious reasons. If he had stayed fit and clean then who knows?
My family are from Naples and l can tell you they are in the streets now mourning his loss.He had two great seasons for them out of three and got them the great prize twice. As one of my neapolitan cousins says,' Women, drugs, alcohol , it's the only way to live.' Tuck on Mafia connected and cheat and that's why he cant be number one..
All about options i suppose, but for me Pele was nowhere near him, and Maradona also had the sh*t kicked out of him, i am going by pitch performance only and i have not seen Pele do what Maradona has done.
 

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Garrincha had the unnatural advantage, for dribbling, of one leg being longer (or should that be shorter?) than the other....
I thought they were bent rather than one longer than the other, but anyway, his oddity was considered an advantage.
A fascinating player, by the way. Loads of stories about him. As preparation for the 58 world cup, after Brazil had tanked in 54, they brought in a psychologist to assess all the players. In the tests, Garrincha's score was 38 out of 120, which basically meant, according to the charts they were using, that he was utterly unsuitable for anything, let alone international football. Pelé too scored poorly ("not aggressive enough") and both were left out of the first two matches, but brought back in for the final group match against the USSR. The rest is history.

But back to Maradona
 

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A genius of a footballer.

You cannot compare players from different eras. Everyone will have their own take on who is the best. However, Maradona is definitely one of the best that ever played the game.

Maradona
Messi
Best
Pele
Cruyff
Ronaldo (Brazil)
Ronaldo (Portugal)
Muller G
Charlton B
Moore
Beckenbauer
Maldini
Eusebio
Di Stefano
Puskas
Garrincha
Buffon
Banks
Zidane
Platini

Plus many many more!! All geniuses from their own particular generation.
 

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Great thread which (as great threads do) has indirectly led me to something else, in this case the 1958 World Cup Final (Pelé/Garrincha link). What a great match that was.

If you have an hour and a half to spare, there's the full match (Swedish commentary)


or alternatively, 13 minutes of highlights with Brazilian commentary (complete with goooooooooooooooooools)

 
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Great thread which (as great threads do) has indirectly led me to something else, in this case the 1958 World Cup Final (Pelé/Garrincha link). What a great match that was.

If you have an hour and a half to spare, there's the full match (Swedish commentary)


or alternatively, 13 minutes of highlights with Brazilian commentary (complete with goooooooooooooooooools)

Brilliant, thanks for sharing.
Wonder what the xG numbers are for that game :oops:

PS that Garincha was some player eh
 

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Brilliant, thanks for sharing.
Wonder what the xG numbers are for that game :oops:

PS that Garincha was some player eh
Yeah, closest type of player to Maradona. Brilliant player beset by devils. If there'd been more TV at the time, might be better recognised nowadays.
 

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All about options i suppose, but for me Pele was nowhere near him, and Maradona also had the sh*t kicked out of him, i am going by pitch performance only and i have not seen Pele do what Maradona has done.
Have a look at you tube. Pele the best for me. Look at his wiki page too. But as you say its opinions. No doubt about Maradona's skill but the negatives outweigh them for me.
 

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