Emiliano Marcondes - Signs to June 2021 (17 Viewers)

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I wouldn’t be to bothered if he left. I’m not a fan, I can understand the comments and see where people are coming from in what he brings to the team, it’s just not often enough imo. If he was younger maybe but I think he’s as good as he’s going to get. Think we can replace with better, giving the CM better attacking options. If the club want him to stay and he signs a new contract, I will support him and trust that their judgment is much better than mine 😂
It is.
 

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Got through an incredible amount of work, arrived in the box quite a few times but the final touch went missing. Being busy in those advanced positions really helps out the attacking three, though.
 

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Excellent performance from Marcondes, particularly second half, found space and used the ball well and was aggressive in pressing and regaining possession. Really needed to hit that chance with his left foot but it's a massive positive that he's getting into those positions in the box. Surely one will go in soon if he keeps that up? Hope we can sort his contract out..
 

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Possibly small sample bias. Would be interested to see that over his entire career when you'll have enough of an n to do a proper difference-in-means test.
Fwiw, last season Bees outscored opponents 3 to 1 when he was on the pitch compared to 2 to 1 when he wasn't. I don't have associated xG data.
 

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@tw2bee Can you explain what data this is actually showing, please? xG for total minutes played this season by Bees with or without Marcondes?
I believe so yes. Of course he may not have been involved in any build up to chances or goals but interesting to see there is quite a big difference when he isn't in the team to when he is.
 

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I believe so yes. Of course he may not have been involved in any build up to chances or goals but interesting to see there is quite a big difference when he isn't in the team to when he is.
He’s often the player who passed to the player who gets the assist. He also gets a few assists himself and is very often the player who has made the run in the box that drew a defender and made space for the scorer.
 

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Possibly small sample bias. Would be interested to see that over his entire career when you'll have enough of an n to do a proper difference-in-means test.
That stat is for this season, I believe. It's quite commonly used in statistical rankings, just like goals conceded is not really a useful statistic for goalkeepers. It's like one of the stats that MB is quoted as using as a measure in the example of Tim Sparv, points won while he's in the team.
 

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Fwiw, last season Bees outscored opponents 3 to 1 when he was on the pitch compared to 2 to 1 when he wasn't. I don't have associated xG data.
Interesting. Any hint that we tended to play him in games where we needed to break down weaker teams? If you swap him out for a more tough-tackler midfielder when we play a Leeds, for example, and then play him when we need to break down a Charlton, then the lack of random assignment would explain the delta rather than him being better.

Don't get me wrong, I like Emiliano. I can imagine that he is undervalued as he connects midfield and attack through the half spaces in the centre and middle in a way that we don't tend to when he isn't playing and instead overload on the wings and instead cut back the ball, but just wary of using precise statistics when they need some context.
 

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That stat is for this season, I believe. It's quite commonly used in statistical rankings, just like goals conceded is not really a useful statistic for goalkeepers. It's like one of the stats that MB is quoted as using as a measure in the example of Tim Sparv, points won while he's in the team.
They use it in basketball too, although there is a sufficiently large number of points when a player is on the field that the signal:noise ratio is better than for small-frequency event analysis like goals. To do a good difference in means test you also need to either have, or assume, random assignment between the two groups. If we play Emi against different types of opponents, or we concede more goals than we gain in expected goals and we're only looking at attacking output, then the stat is less useful.
 

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He’s often the player who passed to the player who gets the assist. He also gets a few assists himself and is very often the player who has made the run in the box that drew a defender and made space for the scorer.
Lots of stat-heads seem to be very critical of assists, although there has been a lot of work on Markov passing chains for being involved at some point in a goalscoring opportunity (so people don't undervalue the person who always assists the assister, if that makes sense)
 
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Article about Marcondes’ contract here.. translation below...

Emiliano Marcondes has a contract expiration with Brentford this summer. Both an extension and a change may become relevant, but he rules out returning home to Denmark.

Emiliano Marcondes' contract with Brentford expires after this season and it is not a given that the contract will be extended.

The energetic striker and Brentford have been talking for some time but have yet to agree, and while Marcondes is open to a new deal as he thrives at the club, he does not know what it will end up with.

- We have negotiated and tried to reach an agreement, but for several reasons it has not succeeded yet, Marcondes says to bold.dk
- I love playing in Brentford, where we have a mega cool project that I would like to be a part of, so it is quite possible that we end up agreeing.
- I do not think so much about it myself, but leave it to my agent and Rasmus Ankersen to talk.
- Everything is open and there are lots of opportunities, but especially in these corona times you never know what can happen, but I keep my focus on playing.
- We are in the middle of an extreme program, and whether I stay or have to try something else, it is important that I stand as sharp as possible so that I stay focused on football.


Denmark not relevant
While Marcondes, who has played 24 games for Brentford this season, may well see himself extending with the club, he is also open to trying something new, but he does not see himself in the 3F Superliga again.

- If something new happens, it will not be Denmark. I have no interest in coming home to play again. For several reasons, it suited me best last time I was in FCM, but this time it's not a theme.
- I want to develop as a player and take the next step, and I still feel I have even more to prove as a player and show what I am capable of. I do not feel I have shown my full potential in England, so I have a craving for it.
- In addition, I have always dreamed of playing in Spain or Italy. Whether it will become a reality one day, I do not know, but it is a dream.


Can a January change be relevant?
- It's not something I think about, but it's not something I am 100 percent in control of myself. My focus is not on having to change now, Marcondes says.

25-year-old Marcondes is listed for 81 games for Brentford.
 
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I think that it's an interesting interview, he says he's not shown his best yet in England which is probably fair enough. Doesn't want to go back to Denmark so that will likely limit his options. Having said that his stats in the Championship last year would certainly interest a few clubs particularly being able to pick him up without a fee.. Imagine he'd want a decent wedge though?
 

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I think he's a useful player, happy for him to stay but equally would be pretty relaxed if he left in the summer. He signed for nothing after all, and if everyone is fit he's not in our first XI. Makes no sense to stretch the budget to keep him if he wants more than we'd like to offer. And if we go up is he really a Premier League
level player?

We can find better, maybe someone already at the club like Baptiste or Zamburek.
 

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I think he's a useful player, happy for him to stay but equally would be pretty relaxed if he left in the summer. He signed for nothing after all, and if everyone is fit he's not in our first XI. Makes no sense to stretch the budget to keep him if he wants more than we'd like to offer. And if we go up is he really a Premier League
level player?

We can find better, maybe someone already at the club like Baptiste or Zamburek.
I think that's probably fair, I think he could step up a level in terms of consistency and final ball/finish which would push him to being a potential first choice. Question is whether the coaches/dofs think that? He certainly offers something different we haven't had in the squad but looking at Ghoddos starting to hit his stride you do get the impression that he's looking to take Emiliano's role and potentially take it up a notch or two... Wouldn't want him to go to QPR as I think he'd probably shine with their style of play under Warbs..
 

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I think that it's an interesting interview, he says he's not shown his best yet in England which is probably fair enough. Doesn't want to go back to Denmark so that will likely limit his options. Having said that his stats in the Championship last year would certainly interest a few clubs particularly being able to pick him up without a fee.. Imagine he'd want a decent wedge though?
Probably why we are struggling to come to an agreement on the contract. Whilst I think he’s worth his place in the squad I wouldn’t break the bank for him.
He would be a fantastic signing for a Championship team on a free though.
 

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Probably why we are struggling to come to an agreement on the contract. Whilst I think he’s worth his place in the squad I wouldn’t break the bank for him.
He would be a fantastic signing for a Championship team on a free though.
I’m hoping he does stay. Becoming a key player for us especially with amount of injuries we have in that area and I do think he can go up another level and expect him to start finding the net in second half of season as the team gels further and he is the most forward midfield player in support of Toney
 

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81 games, who'd have thought it? Can't see there being too many more though.
 

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As it stands right now, this is not a player I've decided I don't like v. player I can see what he does discussion. The fact is that we're short of midfielders, especially the more creative ones, so the consideration is for this season. In an ideal world, we'd have 6 fit players to rotate in the 3 positions, with maybe a younger player or two on the side. Right now, we're perming any 3 from 4 but Dasilva's currently suspended, although Ghoddos is in the mix.

With Nørgaard receiving treatment for the treatment he's received from opposition players, we only have Janelt as a specialist holding player, with Jensen drafted in when necessary.

Of the 'two 8's', we have Dasilva as the box-to-box player who can carry the ball forward (I'm guessing Baptiste was recruited to that role but, not having seen him for more than a few minutes, it's impossible to tell). Again, from what I've seen, I think Žambůrek is more that type of player while Jensen is clearly the playmaker 8...

So that leaves us with Ghoddos and Marcondes, both of them need our support. Both are naturally attacking players and both are more inclined to get closer to the attackers and get into the box. Marcondes' work-rate is very good, although I'm sure many don't see it and disagree. Both will be necessary and useful for this season. We can also recruit but we know that players take months to find their place in our formation and style of play (Janelt being the exception!).
 

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As it stands right now, this is not a player I've decided I don't like v. player I can see what he does discussion. The fact is that we're short of midfielders, especially the more creative ones, so the consideration is for this season.
You've hit the nail squarely on the head. I've been in the "less" rather than "more" Emiliano camp, but you can't fault his effort this season. We need every senior midfielder we've got, particularly after Shelvey's assault on Christian. What are the chances of signing someone significantly "better" than Marcondes who's match-fit and can slot straight into our system? Emiliano himself says he's capable of more. I'd far rather see him find it in the second half of the season with us than disappear. Onwards and upwards.
 

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he works hard at hiding behind opposition players and being unavailable to pass to, i can agree with that. Zamby will take his minutes.
I agree with you, doesn't contribute much to me! At the moment I'd rather Ghoddos in place of him (Was excellent last game and confidence will now be high after that)
 

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and the war raged on... :D
 

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I still think a lot of opinions of him are based on what we thought we were getting (exciting forward) when he signed compared with what we have ended up with (backup for Jensen as the ball playing midfielder who is playing more than expected due to injuries). If he'd signed under that assumption at the same time we signed Baptiste (which is give or take when he became a midfielder for us) I think we'd be happier with him. He's certainly contributed more than Shandon who has been unfortunate with injuries.

I think we should be looking for an improvement on Emiliano but I seriously doubt we'll find one who will contribute to our promotion push this season. Best end to this is he stays until the end of the season and we all move on from there.
 

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I still think a lot of opinions of him are based on what we thought we were getting (exciting forward) when he signed compared with what we have ended up with (backup for Jensen as the ball playing midfielder who is playing more than expected due to injuries). If he'd signed under that assumption at the same time we signed Baptiste (which is give or take when he became a midfielder for us) I think we'd be happier with him. He's certainly contributed more than Shandon who has been unfortunate with injuries.

I think we should be looking for an improvement on Emiliano but I seriously doubt we'll find one who will contribute to our promotion push this season. Best end to this is he stays until the end of the season and we all move on from there.
Very true - has he been good value for money? Yes - he was free!

Has he been a decent squad player to have about? Yes

Can we do better though? Yes

I cant see any negatives to his time here tbh, maybe a bit frustrating at times - but i wont wish him badly at all.
 

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I cant see any negatives to his time here tbh, maybe a bit frustrating at times - but i wont wish him badly at all.
I'm not sure this is really true, infact I'd say there weren't many (definitely not enough) positives before he went out on loan
 

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Very true - has he been good value for money? Yes - he was free!

Has he been a decent squad player to have about? Yes

Can we do better though? Yes

I cant see any negatives to his time here tbh, maybe a bit frustrating at times - but i wont wish him badly at all.
If memory serves he was about £3.5M not free
 

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If memory serves he was about £3.5M not free
No fee was involved. Just his wages. He was a free agent. Signed pre contract agreement in the January.
 

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OS has released a load more training pics and no sign of Emiliano.. COVID, injury or moving on?
 

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probably one of the covid cases we had last week .
I would imagine so. Club has made clear no one leaving this window and he is a key player for us. Plus we were expecting some players not to return to training because of Covid and would appear to be Emi
 

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You've got to feel for Marcondes really, his time at the club has been so stop/start with difficulty settling in, injuries, loans etc. Would have definitely started these next two games and after a v good performance in his previous start would have been looking to push on and push for a regular starting spot. Hopefully he'll be fit for Sunday at least..
 

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Talking to Mark Burridge last night he understand no 1st team players have Covid.

I suspect Emiliano's absence is more todo with going to another club and he is self isolating
 

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