I had him just behind Janelt motm and Sergi. Terrific strength and vision. Ghosts into excellent pockets of space.another good game
I had him just behind Janelt motm and Sergi. Terrific strength and vision. Ghosts into excellent pockets of space.another good game
It is.I wouldn’t be to bothered if he left. I’m not a fan, I can understand the comments and see where people are coming from in what he brings to the team, it’s just not often enough imo. If he was younger maybe but I think he’s as good as he’s going to get. Think we can replace with better, giving the CM better attacking options. If the club want him to stay and he signs a new contract, I will support him and trust that their judgment is much better than mine![]()
Biding his time and his offers, no doubt.Hopefully we'll be able to sort out EM's new contract situation....
Let's hope we make him the best one then......Biding his time and his offers, no doubt.
Mmmmmm......Let's hope we make him the best one then......![]()
Mmmmmmiliano!!!!
Possibly small sample bias. Would be interested to see that over his entire career when you'll have enough of an n to do a proper difference-in-means test.
More evidence suggesting we are better with him in the team...
@tw2bee Can you explain what data this is actually showing, please? xG for total minutes played this season by Bees with or without Marcondes?
More evidence suggesting we are better with him in the team...
Fwiw, last season Bees outscored opponents 3 to 1 when he was on the pitch compared to 2 to 1 when he wasn't. I don't have associated xG data.Possibly small sample bias. Would be interested to see that over his entire career when you'll have enough of an n to do a proper difference-in-means test.
I believe so yes. Of course he may not have been involved in any build up to chances or goals but interesting to see there is quite a big difference when he isn't in the team to when he is.@tw2bee Can you explain what data this is actually showing, please? xG for total minutes played this season by Bees with or without Marcondes?
He’s often the player who passed to the player who gets the assist. He also gets a few assists himself and is very often the player who has made the run in the box that drew a defender and made space for the scorer.I believe so yes. Of course he may not have been involved in any build up to chances or goals but interesting to see there is quite a big difference when he isn't in the team to when he is.
That stat is for this season, I believe. It's quite commonly used in statistical rankings, just like goals conceded is not really a useful statistic for goalkeepers. It's like one of the stats that MB is quoted as using as a measure in the example of Tim Sparv, points won while he's in the team.Possibly small sample bias. Would be interested to see that over his entire career when you'll have enough of an n to do a proper difference-in-means test.
5We've got four subs. Stick him on.
Interesting. Any hint that we tended to play him in games where we needed to break down weaker teams? If you swap him out for a more tough-tackler midfielder when we play a Leeds, for example, and then play him when we need to break down a Charlton, then the lack of random assignment would explain the delta rather than him being better.Fwiw, last season Bees outscored opponents 3 to 1 when he was on the pitch compared to 2 to 1 when he wasn't. I don't have associated xG data.
They use it in basketball too, although there is a sufficiently large number of points when a player is on the field that the signal:noise ratio is better than for small-frequency event analysis like goals. To do a good difference in means test you also need to either have, or assume, random assignment between the two groups. If we play Emi against different types of opponents, or we concede more goals than we gain in expected goals and we're only looking at attacking output, then the stat is less useful.That stat is for this season, I believe. It's quite commonly used in statistical rankings, just like goals conceded is not really a useful statistic for goalkeepers. It's like one of the stats that MB is quoted as using as a measure in the example of Tim Sparv, points won while he's in the team.
Lots of stat-heads seem to be very critical of assists, although there has been a lot of work on Markov passing chains for being involved at some point in a goalscoring opportunity (so people don't undervalue the person who always assists the assister, if that makes sense)He’s often the player who passed to the player who gets the assist. He also gets a few assists himself and is very often the player who has made the run in the box that drew a defender and made space for the scorer.
I think that's probably fair, I think he could step up a level in terms of consistency and final ball/finish which would push him to being a potential first choice. Question is whether the coaches/dofs think that? He certainly offers something different we haven't had in the squad but looking at Ghoddos starting to hit his stride you do get the impression that he's looking to take Emiliano's role and potentially take it up a notch or two... Wouldn't want him to go to QPR as I think he'd probably shine with their style of play under Warbs..I think he's a useful player, happy for him to stay but equally would be pretty relaxed if he left in the summer. He signed for nothing after all, and if everyone is fit he's not in our first XI. Makes no sense to stretch the budget to keep him if he wants more than we'd like to offer. And if we go up is he really a Premier League
level player?
We can find better, maybe someone already at the club like Baptiste or Zamburek.
Probably why we are struggling to come to an agreement on the contract. Whilst I think he’s worth his place in the squad I wouldn’t break the bank for him.I think that it's an interesting interview, he says he's not shown his best yet in England which is probably fair enough. Doesn't want to go back to Denmark so that will likely limit his options. Having said that his stats in the Championship last year would certainly interest a few clubs particularly being able to pick him up without a fee.. Imagine he'd want a decent wedge though?
I’m hoping he does stay. Becoming a key player for us especially with amount of injuries we have in that area and I do think he can go up another level and expect him to start finding the net in second half of season as the team gels further and he is the most forward midfield player in support of ToneyProbably why we are struggling to come to an agreement on the contract. Whilst I think he’s worth his place in the squad I wouldn’t break the bank for him.
He would be a fantastic signing for a Championship team on a free though.
You've hit the nail squarely on the head. I've been in the "less" rather than "more" Emiliano camp, but you can't fault his effort this season. We need every senior midfielder we've got, particularly after Shelvey's assault on Christian. What are the chances of signing someone significantly "better" than Marcondes who's match-fit and can slot straight into our system? Emiliano himself says he's capable of more. I'd far rather see him find it in the second half of the season with us than disappear. Onwards and upwards.As it stands right now, this is not a player I've decided I don't like v. player I can see what he does discussion. The fact is that we're short of midfielders, especially the more creative ones, so the consideration is for this season.
I agree with you, doesn't contribute much to me! At the moment I'd rather Ghoddos in place of him (Was excellent last game and confidence will now be high after that)he works hard at hiding behind opposition players and being unavailable to pass to, i can agree with that. Zamby will take his minutes.
Correct on both counts, IMHO......Marcondes' work-rate is very good, although I'm sure many don't see it and disagree.....
I think he’s quality, always excited to see what he’s gonna do. I think your assessment of him is harshhe works hard at hiding behind opposition players and being unavailable to pass to, i can agree with that. Zamby will take his minutes.
Very true - has he been good value for money? Yes - he was free!I still think a lot of opinions of him are based on what we thought we were getting (exciting forward) when he signed compared with what we have ended up with (backup for Jensen as the ball playing midfielder who is playing more than expected due to injuries). If he'd signed under that assumption at the same time we signed Baptiste (which is give or take when he became a midfielder for us) I think we'd be happier with him. He's certainly contributed more than Shandon who has been unfortunate with injuries.
I think we should be looking for an improvement on Emiliano but I seriously doubt we'll find one who will contribute to our promotion push this season. Best end to this is he stays until the end of the season and we all move on from there.
I'm not sure this is really true, infact I'd say there weren't many (definitely not enough) positives before he went out on loanI cant see any negatives to his time here tbh, maybe a bit frustrating at times - but i wont wish him badly at all.
but i am a football fan with a short fickle memory.I'm not sure this is really true, infact I'd say there weren't many (definitely not enough) positives before he went out on loan
If memory serves he was about £3.5M not freeVery true - has he been good value for money? Yes - he was free!
Has he been a decent squad player to have about? Yes
Can we do better though? Yes
I cant see any negatives to his time here tbh, maybe a bit frustrating at times - but i wont wish him badly at all.
he signed a bosman with us?If memory serves he was about £3.5M not free
No fee was involved. Just his wages. He was a free agent. Signed pre contract agreement in the January.If memory serves he was about £3.5M not free
probably one of the covid cases we had last week .OS has released a load more training pics and no sign of Emiliano.. COVID, injury or moving on?
I would imagine so. Club has made clear no one leaving this window and he is a key player for us. Plus we were expecting some players not to return to training because of Covid and would appear to be Emiprobably one of the covid cases we had last week .