Expectations for Season 20/21

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Here's an interesting but not altogether implausible outcome. So many of the Championship clubs become insolvent that the season is cancelled. There is then no promotion to or relegation from the premier league.
 

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Here's an interesting but not altogether implausible outcome. So many of the Championship clubs become insolvent that the season is cancelled. There is then no promotion to or relegation from the premier league.
I read something yesterday (can’t remember where......) that if PL is so adversely affected by COVID that the season can’t complete, there’d be no promotion/relegation from/to Championship, but there would be a £250M “compensation package” from PL to EFL..........
 

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I read something yesterday (can’t remember where......) that if PL is so adversely affected by COVID that the season can’t complete, there’d be no promotion/relegation from/to Championship, but there would be a £250M “compensation package” from PL to EFL..........
personally, I think that is a less plausible scenario. The Premier League will remain solvent even if they have to play the whole season behind closed doors. At least, any level of distress will be manageable. However without the monster TV deal that goes with the premiership, match day revenues play a much larger part of the picture for championship clubs and below. I think we have much more danger to beware of. And I honestly don’t see the Premier League voting to bail out the EFL, much as I would like to. Hopefully things will go on as they always have but there is a possibility that this year could see a level of restructure in professional football that none of us have even dreamed of
 

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Its Brentford innit!

Not content with being the only club to finish 2nd and not get auto promotion from league 1 back in the 90s, we'll go one better and finish top in the only season ever where the champs don't get promoted!
 

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Its Brentford innit!

Not content with being the only club to finish 2nd and not get auto promotion from league 1 back in the 90s, we'll go one better and finish top in the only season ever where the champs don't get promoted!
Small Heath say hold my beer...
 

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Strange as it may seem, considering we're in the Q/F of the CC, and have only lost 1 game so far, I don't actually thing we've played "well" in (m)any games this season.
Loads more to come from this team when they start to gel properly!!! Scary!!!!
COME ON!!!!!!
 

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Said is the key - if he stays then top 2 otherwise a tight race for top 6
Honestly cannot think of 6 better teams than us if he stays or not.
I also think Ghoddos will shine in Said's position if thats the case
 

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Honestly cannot think of 6 better teams than us if he stays or not.
I also think Ghoddos will shine in Said's position if thats the case
I don't see Ghoddos getting us 15+ goals this season like Said will - to me is the difference maker as shown last night
 

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I don't see Ghoddos getting us 15+ goals this season like Said will - to me is the difference maker as shown last night
If he plays as much as Said did , i reckon he would get 10 plus , but hopefully we wont find that out :sorted:
 

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Strange as it may seem, considering we're in the Q/F of the CC, and have only lost 1 game so far, I don't actually thing we've played "well" in (m)any games this season.
Loads more to come from this team when they start to gel properly!!! Scary!!!!
COME ON!!!!!!
In the league we have had 2 poor starts in the 3 games. At Birmingham, Jensen started slowly before injuring himself after just 5 minutes and at Millwall, Rico’s early injury and substitution unsettled us and led to Jansson’s error and their early goal.
Hopefully our early bad luck is behind us and we can get off to a good start on Sunday vs Preston
 

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In the league we have had 2 poor starts in the 3 games. At Birmingham, Jensen started slowly before injuring himself after just 5 minutes and at Millwall, Rico’s early injury and substitution unsettled us and led to Jansson’s error and their early goal.
Hopefully our early bad luck is behind us and we can get off to a good start on Sunday vs Preston
I’m not sure there’s a direct attribution with those events, the butterfly effect and all that.
 

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Going to need to seriously improve if we’re going to mount a credible top 6 challenge.
 

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Already got 8 points to make up and the season’s barely started. We can’t keep writing off the first ten games and expect to go up.
 

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Already got 8 points to make up and the season’s barely started. We can’t keep writing off the first ten games and expect to go up.
And the problem here is we actually HAVE tried to avoid this scenario having only sold watkins (so far). I think its quite clear we identified we cant keep making wholesale changes and expect to progress but still we find ourselves chasing early doors rather than setting the pace
 

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I thought we would finish top six and I also think that we will have the strongest squad as the season reaches the end and as result will cope with injuries, suspensions, loss of form etc. quite comfortably in the POs.
 

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Already got 8 points to make up and the season’s barely started. We can’t keep writing off the first ten games and expect to go up.
Poor starts to the season don't help. Which was our best start in this league? I said 5th - I'd be very happy with that at present.
 

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And the problem here is we actually HAVE tried to avoid this scenario having only sold watkins (so far). I think its quite clear we identified we cant keep making wholesale changes and expect to progress but still we find ourselves chasing early doors rather than setting the pace
The problem as I see it as that this has almost resulted in the indifferent start. It was clearly the right thing to do to keep the bulk of the squad together. But we now have a group of players who have gone from (twice) being one game away from the PL to be being 46 games away. That must have a huge mental impact which is the biggest challenge for TF and team IMO. They look like the want to just skip straight to the run-in and are having trouble motivating themselves. Playing in empty stadiums can't be helping, either. That may well be why the performances have also been better in the cup - win this and we're in the next round etc.

Until yesterday the league performances hadn't been awful but in none of the games were we anywhere near our best. We still have one of the best squads in the division and will be up there but we need to get back the 'one game at a time' mindset that served us so well and almost got us up after the restart.
 

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The problem as I see it as that this has almost resulted in the indifferent start. It was clearly the right thing to do to keep the bulk of the squad together. But we now have a group of players who have gone from (twice) being one game away from the PL to be being 46 games away. That must have a huge mental impact which is the biggest challenge for TF and team IMO. They look like the want to just skip straight to the run-in and are having trouble motivating themselves. Playing in empty stadiums can't be helping, either. That may well be why the performances have also been better in the cup - win this and we're in the next round etc.

Until yesterday the league performances hadn't been awful but in none of the games were we anywhere near our best. We still have one of the best squads in the division and will be up there but we need to get back the 'one game at a time' mindset that served us so well and almost got us up after the restart.
I get your point, but not having that - 'softy' excuse for them, if you like.

Contrast that with Leeds, who I know we hate. They took a far bigger pasting in the media for blowing promotion the year before (which was very funny!). But look at how they started the next season - right off the blocks and kept that up for pretty much the whole season. Even their little poor run they had, they were still playing well - just not finishing off chances.

Perhaps their players and management just had a bit more mental resilience and toughness than most of our players? And I'm not posting this just because of yesterday's result - we really haven't played that well in the league in any of the 4 games. Certainly no crisis, but Thomas shouldn't pretend that the displays have been great and we've been unlucky. Yesterday's was the worst, clearly. The middle of the park is our achilles heel and I don't see it fixing itself with Marcondes & Jensen - a bit of leadership is what is needed to motivate & clearly, Pontus has been lacking recently here too.
 

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I get your point, but not having that - 'softy' excuse for them, if you like.

Contrast that with Leeds, who I know we hate. They took a far bigger pasting in the media for blowing promotion the year before (which was very funny!). But look at how they started the next season - right off the blocks and kept that up for pretty much the whole season. Even their little poor run they had, they were still playing well - just not finishing off chances.

Perhaps their players and management just had a bit more mental resilience and toughness than most of our players? And I'm not posting this just because of yesterday's result - we really haven't played that well in the league in any of the 4 games. Certainly no crisis, but Thomas shouldn't pretend that the displays have been great and we've been unlucky. Yesterday's was the worst, clearly. The middle of the park is our achilles heel and I don't see it fixing itself with Marcondes & Jensen - a bit of leadership is what is needed to motivate & clearly, Pontus has been lacking recently here too.
I don't necessarily disagree with any of that, I just feel that's where much of the problem lies (along with a couple of key injuries). The comparison to Leeds is a fair one although I guess the only difference is the incredibly short turnaround time. Barely a month after losing at Wembley we were back out at St Andrews. I thought during that game the players didn't really look up for battling it out over a 46-game season and I've not seen much since to change my mind.

Hopefully the international break has come at a good time to refocus minds. It's just a shame we've got so many players away.
 

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Gotta love the optimism on here, no chance we’ll be any where near the top 2 but think we’ll be in with a shot of snatching a play off place. Likely a 8th-10th finish and tbh I’ll take that. Crowds not gonna be back in stadiums anytime soon and I wouldn’t want to witness a promotion winning season from my laptop on iFollow.
 

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This has been the best chance for us to get top 2, the league is so poor but I think we will just get top half now. Yes bank balance is healthy but squad is definitely weaker this year without a doubt
 

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No doubt Oli and Said were special talents but we didn't know how good they were when they first arrived.

How can we therefore judge the squad is not as good when we've not seen anything of Ghoddos and Toney has scored 3 in 4.....
 

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No doubt Oli and Said were special talents but we didn't know how good they were when they first arrived.

How can we therefore judge the squad is not as good when we've not seen anything of Ghoddos and Toney has scored 3 in 4.....
It's all about current standards.

Ghoddos and Toney are clearly not currently up to the standard that Watkins and Benrahma were last season. We have lost £60m of talent. Therefore, this squad is currently undoubtedly weaker than the one that hit its straps last season.

That's not to say these two won't massively improve as the season goes on and make the squad a better one. I believe Toney will be a better finisher than Ollie. However, good though our recruitment team are, we are not going to keep unearthing gems for £2m and turn them into £30m players. Those two made exceptional improvements and were here at just the right time.
 

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No doubt Oli and Said were special talents but we didn't know how good they were when they first arrived.

How can we therefore judge the squad is not as good when we've not seen anything of Ghoddos and Toney has scored 3 in 4.....
We do need to remember the past as well. Said was good not great when he arrived. He didn't score a goal until December and I would not have said that I was watching a £25m player then. I remember Jota too took half a dozen games or more to even get in the side regularly. I hope therefore everyone gives Ghoddos that same time - it seems to me though that patience is becoming an obsolete word among some in our fan base.
 

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It's all about current standards.

Ghoddos and Toney are clearly not currently up to the standard that Watkins and Benrahma were last season. We have lost £60m of talent. Therefore, this squad is currently undoubtedly weaker than the one that hit its straps last season.

That's not to say these two won't massively improve as the season goes on and make the squad a better one. I believe Toney will be a better finisher than Ollie. However, good though our recruitment team are, we are not going to keep unearthing gems for £2m and turn them into £30m players. Those two made exceptional improvements and were here at just the right time.
In my humble we'll only be able to judge whether the squad is poorer at the season end. It's not just about 2 players, it's about the overall team performance and mechanics. It will be difficult to improve on last season no doubt, but how we can judge now after 4 league games I'm not sure.
 

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This has been the best chance for us to get top 2, the league is so poor but I think we will just get top half now. Yes bank balance is healthy but squad is definitely weaker this year without a doubt
Definitely, the league is a lot weaker but unfortunately so are we. If we had the same squad this season I’d of been certain of automatics
 

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We do need to remember the past as well. Said was good not great when he arrived. He didn't score a goal until December and I would not have said that I was watching a £25m player then. I remember Jota too took half a dozen games or more to even get in the side regularly. I hope therefore everyone gives Ghoddos that same time - it seems to me though that patience is becoming an obsolete word among some in our fan base.
I guess that's the price of success. And this place is like a sea of calm compared to Twitter too!
 

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Definitely, the league is a lot weaker but unfortunately so are we. If we had the same squad this season I’d of been certain of automatics
We are not a lot weaker. Maybe a bit but nobody can be sure of that yet and let's not pretend otherwise.
 

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We are not a lot weaker. Maybe a bit but nobody can be sure of that yet and let's not pretend otherwise.
I hear what you are saying but no one can be sure that we aren’t either! I am confident Toney will do well but Ghoddos is a total unknown, whereas Benrahma was proven at our level and I’m sorry but Canos no matter how much I love his enthusiasm and passion he certainly has more question marks than answers. I’m not writing us off but I think we have missed an opportunity here.
 

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.......its going to be very difficult without CN.....we really will have to dig in and grind out results over the next couple of months....he's a huge loss for expectations.
 

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I hear what you are saying but no one can be sure that we aren’t either! I am confident Toney will do well but Ghoddos is a total unknown, whereas Benrahma was proven at our level and I’m sorry but Canos no matter how much I love his enthusiasm and passion he certainly has more question marks than answers. I’m not writing us off but I think we have missed an opportunity here.
There's also an opportunity for big improvements from DaSilva, Henry, Mbeumo, and yes, Jensen and Marcondes. In a world without Covid I think we may have strengthened a little more but the basic team and style is the same and with hard won experience. Of course it could go either way but there is no way we are going to drop off dramatically IMO.
 

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There's also an opportunity for big improvements from DaSilva, Henry, Mbeumo, and yes, Jensen and Marcondes. In a world without Covid I think we may have strengthened a little more but the basic team and style is the same and with hard won experience. Of course it could go either way but there is no way we are going to drop off dramatically IMO.
Would you say that a top half finish would be dropping off dramatically....I wouldn’t but if you ask me we will never have a better opportunity for top 2 than this year. Josh is immense and I think he has the potential to be our best sale, Henry was great last season...do I think he can be better I’m not so sure to be honest as he was great....Jensen I do believe can get consistently better as it was only his 1st season for us....Marcondes.....I would love to say as well but I don’t think it will be the case
 

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It's all about current standards.

Ghoddos and Toney are clearly not currently up to the standard that Watkins and Benrahma were last season. We have lost £60m of talent. Therefore, this squad is currently undoubtedly weaker than the one that hit its straps last season.

That's not to say these two won't massively improve as the season goes on and make the squad a better one. I believe Toney will be a better finisher than Ollie. However, good though our recruitment team are, we are not going to keep unearthing gems for £2m and turn them into £30m players. Those two made exceptional improvements and were here at just the right time.
Four games into last season we were W1 D1 L2 (snap!). We’d scored two goals (both Watkins), compared to the six this season (3 for Toney, 3 other scorers). We’d lost on penalties to L2 Cambridge in the EFL Cup rather than beat a Championship team and three PL teams to get to the QF. Said was still recovering from injury (and went in to score only 3 goals by the end of the year).

Of course the last game turned out disappointingly and of course we’d be stronger if we still had Ollie and Said as they became over the season but lets not go overboard.
 

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Top half fine for me. Covid crap and having to rebuild again and the injury to CN means we will struggle again first half of the season. Bloody glad I'm not missing our only season in the top division live for the first time in my life!!!! I want to be there when it happens.
 

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Far too early to make a realistic prediction but like others have said we're not as strong as last season plus another poor start doesn't inspire confidence. It's a tough ask for Thomas to emulate or better than a 3rd place finish but he knew we sell our best players every season before he took the job ? maybe 8 -10th
 

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Would you say that a top half finish would be dropping off dramatically....I wouldn’t but if you ask me we will never have a better opportunity for top 2 than this year.
There is no way we will ever get a better opportunity to get top 2 than we had in the last 2 games of last season.

No reason to doubt that Toney and Ghoddos will be more than adequate replacements but we won’t see them in full force until the later part of this season and then we’ll be all set up for next year.
Really would prefer a mid-table finish this year and get this pandemic over and done with, footie is just boring at the moment.
 

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With norgaard out till dec And beniboy gone I’d take mid table obscurity now and bite your hand off too;)
Norgaard is hopefully back for matches after the November International break. Misses 7 matches by the look of it.
 

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With norgaard out till dec And beniboy gone I’d take mid table obscurity now and bite your hand off too;)
We've got more than enough in this squad to do much better than that. December is a real killer of a month though with some big games and a lot of them so would certainly be good to get Norgaard back by then. Should have Roerslev back then too... I think not making play offs would be regarded as a big disappointment by the club..
 

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