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He really is the only world class player that England have at the moment.
‘World Class’ is a subjective title, but he’s certainly by far our best player

Russia is a huge tournament for him
 

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He really is the only world class player that England have at the moment.
Shame he never does anything for England when it matters then. Hes also won nothing.

Needs to actually win something or it all means nothing IMO.
 

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Your point being?
Hes done **** all for England, which is all I care about. Dont give two ****s about Spurs.

Despite that all his goals have won Spurs nothing, world class players win trophies, he hasnt won one. If he wants to be considered one he has to go and do it in big games and win trophies, otherwise hes just a flat track bully.
 
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Hes done **** all for England, which is all I care about. Dont give two ****s about Spurs.

Despite that all his goals have won Spurs nothing, world class players win trophies, he hasnt won one. If he wants to be considered one he has to go and do it in big games and win trophies, otherwise hes just a flat track bully.
So which other England players are world class?
 

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Harry Kane, Marcus Rashford and Delli Ali could all be World class. Ali is struggling and in a rut but he is a special talent
 

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Hes done **** all for England, which is all I care about. Dont give two ****s about Spurs.

Despite that all his goals have won Spurs nothing, world class players win trophies, he hasnt won one. If he wants to be considered one he has to go and do it in big games and win trophies, otherwise hes just a flat track bully.
You’re wrong, we should adapt our tactics to accommodate a natural goal scorer, he’s a freak and special. Any other club and country in the World would, you play him in and he’ll score goals.
 
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You’re wrong, we should adapt our tactics to accommodate a natural goal scorer, he’s a freak and special. Any other club and country in the World would, you play him in and he’ll score goals.
Exactly! My point was, he is the only English player who would be picked in a world 11.
 

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Shame he never does anything for England when it matters then. Hes also won nothing.

Needs to actually win something or it all means nothing IMO.
Depends what you mean by matters, the late equaliser at Hampden and last minute winner against Slovenia ensured qualification to the finals.

At his only tournament I think Hodgson had Kane as tea boy and corner taker.

Kane has come on somewhat this season.
 

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....the fella's a natural striker...and a very good one at that...only spoiled by the fact that he supports spurs and plays for them.
 

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Remember a while back on the Grapevine someone said something along the lines of " if England have to rely on Harry Kane then we've got no chance"
I don't remember what thread it was but come on you know who you are own up.
 

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So which other England players are world class?
None, for me a world class player is a player who could get into any side in the world. England have a lot of players who couldn't get into many premiership sides. Its a very poor side.
 

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You’re wrong, we should adapt our tactics to accommodate a natural goal scorer, he’s a freak and special. Any other club and country in the World would, you play him in and he’ll score goals.
In your opinion I'm wrong. The premier league isn't that great, everyone banged on about Lukakku and how good he was when he was at Everton. Since he's gone to United, everyone know says he's not good enough for them. For me Kane has to prove it by doing it elsewhere on the biggest stage. He has a fantastic scoring record and will probably break a number of records at Spurs if he maintains the status quo. But for me a special player wants to wins things and can fit into any team setup. Kane is very good but he hasn't proven that he's world class. To do so he will need to move to a bigger club. Particularly as I think Walker was the start of the exodus at Spurs, players like Erikksen, Rose and Alli will all leave soon when there heads get turned by offers of bigger wages.
 

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None, for me a world class player is a player who could get into any side in the world. England have a lot of players who couldn't get into many premiership sides. Its a very poor side.
The last couple of squads were weak but i have to disagree in terms of the potential quality. (when all fit)

Lallana
Wilshere
Walker
Clyne
Rose
Stones
Sterling
Ali
Kane
Rashford
Barkley

All very good players and we have 2-3 who are in top form for their clubs.

Throw into the mix the potential in the younger players and youth teams with players like

Maitland-Niles
Gomez
Pickford
Winks

And then we have players that just need to sort their form out

Sturridge
Welbeck
Ox

Then there is one player we need to keep away from the side

Henderson lol

The problem is we have raised expectations But Kane is giving me the belief that we can have a "good" WC. He has the ability to score from nothing and Southgate has to get the best out of him.
 

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In your opinion I'm wrong. The premier league isn't that great, everyone banged on about Lukakku and how good he was when he was at Everton. Since he's gone to United, everyone know says he's not good enough for them. For me Kane has to prove it by doing it elsewhere on the biggest stage. He has a fantastic scoring record and will probably break a number of records at Spurs if he maintains the status quo. But for me a special player wants to wins things and can fit into any team setup. Kane is very good but he hasn't proven that he's world class. To do so he will need to move to a bigger club. Particularly as I think Walker was the start of the exodus at Spurs, players like Erikksen, Rose and Alli will all leave soon when there heads get turned by offers of bigger wages.
He’s Spurs through and through, wants to win things and it’s very exciting times at Spurs with a new ground, Champions League and one of the best Managers in the game let alone UK. He’ll have the opportunity in next few weeks and then the summer to demonstrate he’s World class
If it doesn’t happen soon he’ll go to a bigger club and I’d bet a lot of money that he’ll be a success wherever he goes.
 

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He’s Spurs through and through, wants to win things and it’s very exciting times at Spurs with a new ground, Champions League and one of the best Managers in the game let alone UK. He’ll have the opportunity in next few weeks and then the summer to demonstrate he’s World class
If it doesn’t happen soon he’ll go to a bigger club and I’d bet a lot of money that he’ll be a success wherever he goes.

Despite all the pictures of him in an Arsenal kit as a kid?

If he goes and does then fair enough he proves he is world class, as I said his record is amazing, but he can't be considered world class, until he starts winning things and doing it on the big stage. Hopefully for England.
 

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In your opinion I'm wrong. The premier league isn't that great, everyone banged on about Lukakku and how good he was when he was at Everton. Since he's gone to United, everyone know says he's not good enough for them. For me Kane has to prove it by doing it elsewhere on the biggest stage. He has a fantastic scoring record and will probably break a number of records at Spurs if he maintains the status quo. But for me a special player wants to wins things and can fit into any team setup. Kane is very good but he hasn't proven that he's world class. To do so he will need to move to a bigger club. Particularly as I think Walker was the start of the exodus at Spurs, players like Erikksen, Rose and Alli will all leave soon when there heads get turned by offers of bigger wages.
But if he moves to (say) a Real Madrid or Barcelona, supporters and pundits up and down the country will be queuing up to slate him for going for the money when he should have stayed at Spurs as they are on the brink of "doing something special"! I think right now every club in Europe would love to have him in their team which for me is basically the definition of world class. I don't think a player should be criticised if he chooses to stay at a club he loves.
 

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Top player..right foot, left foot, headers, long shots, tap ins, on his own up top or with a partner.

He seems to have everthing-also seems a decent lad with his head screwed on.
 

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Despite all the pictures of him in an Arsenal kit as a kid?

If he goes and does then fair enough he proves he is world class, as I said his record is amazing, but he can't be considered world class, until he starts winning things and doing it on the big stage. Hopefully for England.
He had a summer at Arsenal as an 8 year old, he’s been at Spurs since he was a teenager!

I concede, you’re right he looks like he has the potential to be World class.
 

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But if he moves to (say) a Real Madrid or Barcelona, supporters and pundits up and down the country will be queuing up to slate him for going for the money when he should have stayed at Spurs as they are on the brink of "doing something special"! I think right now every club in Europe would love to have him in their team which for me is basically the definition of world class. I don't think a player should be criticised if he chooses to stay at a club he loves.
I don't think the pundits would. If it was Real or Barcelona I think the fans would understand, if he went to some one like Man Utd, then they would say its all about the money. Its not a criticism if he stays but if he does and wins nothing, then I think he will regret it in the long run. It's a short career, if you have the ability why wouldn't you want to maximise your chances of winning lots of trophies?
 

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I don't think the pundits would. If it was Real or Barcelona I think the fans would understand, if he went to some one like Man Utd, then they would say its all about the money. Its not a criticism if he stays but if he does and wins nothing, then I think he will regret it in the long run. It's a short career, if you have the ability why wouldn't you want to maximise your chances of winning lots of trophies?
Ultimately being a footballer is a job and if he likes his employers, the working environment, non football considerations (friends, family, lifestyle), maybe that is more important than moving to perhaps increase the chance of winning trophies?
 

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One thing I notice about him is that, despite being neither particularly quick or agile, he seems to always have the time and space to get shots in. He’s very calm, unlike a lot of other top players who do everything at break-neck speed. Reminds me a bit of Zidane in that regard.
 

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Ultimately being a footballer is a job and if he likes his employers, the working environment, non football considerations (friends, family, lifestyle), maybe that is more important than moving to perhaps increase the chance of winning trophies?
Maybe but I would see that as a lack of ambition and not backing yourself. If your that good why wouldn't you want to achieve as much as you can?
 

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Maybe but I would see that as a lack of ambition and not backing yourself. If your that good why wouldn't you want to achieve as much as you can?
I think at the moment his home club Spurs offer him Champions League with arguably one of the best managers in the World and the World Cup and he’s still a relative youngster. It’s not exactly settling for mediocrity ?
 

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I think at the moment his home club Spurs offer him Champions League with arguably one of the best managers in the World and the World Cup and he’s still a relative youngster. It’s not exactly settling for mediocrity ?
Pochentino another one who hasnt won anything yet apparently hes as good as a Mourinho or a Guardiola. Arsenal complain about Wegner but with a lesser team he has won trophies whilst Spurs have won nothing. Ironically it was Wegner who said that 4th place was a trophy but thats b***ock*s imo. Until Spurs or Kane starting winning trophies then all of the plaudits they have won will be meaningless. Nobody remembers the runners up or champions league qualifiers in the long term.
 

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Maybe but I would see that as a lack of ambition and not backing yourself. If your that good why wouldn't you want to achieve as much as you can?
"Lack of ambition"? "Not backing yourself"?

This is what he was saying in the summer ffs!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4586370/Harry-Kane-want-win-Ballon-d-Or.html

Or this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41692787

He is phenomenally ambitious. But he's also a Spurs fan. And he's 24. So he will stay with them so long as they can improve him.

But if it should reach they stage where he can continue to improve, but they can't keep up, then he'll move.

As for whether he's "world class", just what does he have to do to achieve that status?

At the weekend, he scored his 20th EPL goal of the season. That means he's now notched 20 or more in four consecutive seasons, something only matched by Thierry Henry, who did it for five consecutive seasons, and Alan Shearer who did it four times. And they both played for title-winning teams. Oh, and it's still only January.

And for all those who poo-poohed his calendar year tally (not a "proper" record), overall he's now scored 32 goals in 32 games this season:
http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=52657
 

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Why do players need to be labelled world class or otherwise?

We’ve just had 10 years of debating that about Rooney, please don’t say we have another 10 years doing the same for Kane. Boring.
 

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The best English player at present :)

His goal scoring ability is incredible.

Was it hanworthbee who said he wasn’t up to much?! lol
 

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"Lack of ambition"? "Not backing yourself"?

This is what he was saying in the summer ffs!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4586370/Harry-Kane-want-win-Ballon-d-Or.html

Or this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41692787

He is phenomenally ambitious. But he's also a Spurs fan. And he's 24. So he will stay with them so long as they can improve him.

But if it should reach they stage where he can continue to improve, but they can't keep up, then he'll move.

As for whether he's "world class", just what does he have to do to achieve that status?

At the weekend, he scored his 20th EPL goal of the season. That means he's now notched 20 or more in four consecutive seasons, something only matched by Thierry Henry, who did it for five consecutive seasons, and Alan Shearer who did it four times. And they both played for title-winning teams. Oh, and it's still only January.

And for all those who poo-poohed his calendar year tally (not a "proper" record), overall he's now scored 32 goals in 32 games this season:
http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=52657
He was an Arsenal fan first!!
 

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Was it hanworthbee who said he wasn’t up to much?! lol
i daresay for the first 18 months i'd have been one of those "yeah yeah whatever flash in the pan" people, just because no-one can stand Spurs fans droning on and on right?

fair play to him though, i think he's proved himself by now (to all but Holysmit :D )
 

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Watch him get injured in the last game of the season, and **** up our chances.
 

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Lovely to see all round good guy Sir Harry running 30 yards to try and get Sergi sent off.
 

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Lovely to see all round good guy Sir Harry running 30 yards to try and get Sergi sent off.
Another bit of utter sh*te commentary by Sky too. Barely a foul, and absolutely nowhere near being a Yellow. Tossers.
 
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