Harry Kane

[Nickabee]

If this is a quiz my answer after watching today is the Harry Kane is an arse

 

[Wooburn Bee]

Did he play tonight ?

Was totally anonymous a credit to our Centre backs and coaching staff.

 

[A Real Mysteron]

Overrated.

 

[Untouchable]

Reminded me of Alan Shearer when we played Newcastle in the league cup in 2001.

Lots of sh*thousery, kicking the ball away and getting in the referees face when we were still in the game.

Last night was aided and abetted by Mike Dean though. Shocking refereeing.

 

[LostBee]

I have always liked Kane but he went down a bit in my estimation yesterday.

Was acting like a complete **** from first minute to last.

 

[johndub]

I barely noticed him all game.

 

[A Real Mysteron]

Crap.

 

[GU24 Bee]

I didn’t realise he was playing until the commentator mentioned his name in about the 67th minute.

 

[Balders Bee]

He can finish and win freekicks and Pens & that's about it - a bit of a throwback to the old traditional English Centre Forward with a dash of modern 'sh*t housery'. A good Premiership striker and will do well against lesser clubs at International level but their is a reason why the likes of top European Clubs aren't forming a long line for him. Not particularly mobile and not much else to his game. Compare him to a Sala or a Son etc and he's pedestrian. For me England need better at top International level for starters.

Forced one excellent save from Raya and that was about it.....

 

[oldbloke]

Watkins

 

[Guildford Bee]

Some absolute nonsense on here. He's been playing twice a week since the start of the season and has a newborn baby at home.

One of the best strikers in the world who will probably be England's all-time top scorer. He wasn't great last night but credit our CBs for keeping in quiet. Most clubs in the world would take him but know that dealing with Levy to try and sign him would be a nightmare.

 

[Balders Bee]

Some absolute nonsense on here. He's been playing twice a week since the start of the season and has a newborn baby at home.

One of the best strikers in the world who will probably be England's all-time top scorer. He wasn't great last night but credit our CBs for keeping in quiet. Most clubs in the world would take him but know that dealing with Levy to try and sign him would be a nightmare.

Not sure what relevance playing twice a week and having a newborn baby at home it here? The majority of players have that schedule and I'm sure many have a similar domestic situation as well.

May well finish up as England's all time top scorer but given the amount of International games these days and on occasion the quality of the opposition you would expect a decent striker to have that kind of ratio - and make no mistake he is an excellent Premiership striker. 'One of the best in the world' nope sorry I dispute that and generally his form in the latter stages of International tournaments against the best of opposition his performances have been indifferent. I also disagree that if he was as in demand at the top table of European football that a Barcelona or Real Madrid or PSG would make a deal happen and Levy would sell.

You obviously rate him very highly which is fair enough you're entitled to your opinion - which I wouldn't dismiss as 'nonsense' and again I would reiterate he is a very good striker but 'World class' I would dispute strongly.

 

[Balders Bee]

Some absolute nonsense on here. He's been playing twice a week since the start of the season and has a newborn baby at home.

One of the best strikers in the world who will probably be England's all-time top scorer. He wasn't great last night but credit our CBs for keeping in quiet. Most clubs in the world would take him but know that dealing with Levy to try and sign him would be a nightmare.

Not sure what relevance playing twice a week and having a newborn baby at home it here? The majority of players have that schedule and I'm sure many have a similar domestic situation as well.

May well finish up as England's all time top scorer but given the amount of International games these days and on occasion the quality of the opposition you would expect a decent striker to have that kind of ratio - and make no mistake he is an excellent Premiership striker. 'One of the best in the world' nope sorry I dispute that and generally his form in the latter stages of International tournaments against the best of opposition his performances have been indifferent. I also disagree that if he was as in demand at the top table of European football that a Barcelona or Real Madrid or PSG would make a deal happen and Levy would sell.

You obviously rate him very highly which is fair enough you're entitled to your opinion - which I wouldn't dismiss as 'nonsense' and again I would reiterate he is a very good striker but 'World class' I would dispute strongly.

 

[Gazza Bee]

He can finish and win freekicks and Pens & that's about it - a bit of a throwback to the old traditional English Centre Forward with a dash of modern 'sh*t housery'. A good Premiership striker and will do well against lesser clubs at International level but their is a reason why the likes of top European Clubs aren't forming a long line for him. Not particularly mobile and not much else to his game. Compare him to a Sala or a Son etc and he's pedestrian. For me England need better at top International level for starters.

Forced one excellent save from Raya and that was about it.....

10 goals and 11 assists in 16 PL games suggests otherwise - I am fairly sure he would walk into any club side in the world (Bayern aside as they have the worlds best already) but there are very few that could afford his price tag

 

[Guildford Bee]

Not sure what relevance playing twice a week and having a newborn baby at home it here? The majority of players have that schedule and I'm sure many have a similar domestic situation as well.

May well finish up as England's all time top scorer but given the amount of International games these days and on occasion the quality of the opposition you would expect a decent striker to have that kind of ratio - and make no mistake he is an excellent Premiership striker. 'One of the best in the world' nope sorry I dispute that and generally his form in the latter stages of International tournaments against the best of opposition his performances have been indifferent. I also disagree that if he was as in demand at the top table of European football that a Barcelona or Real Madrid or PSG would make a deal happen and Levy would sell.

You obviously rate him very highly which is fair enough you're entitled to your opinion - which I wouldn't dismiss as 'nonsense' and again I would reiterate he is a very good striker but 'World class' I would dispute strongly.

To each their own. I think his numbers speak for themselves, his all round play in terms of dropping back has allowed him to evolve as he ages and there are only three strikers in the world who are - arguably - better than him.

Great England captain and player, IMO.

 

[wanderer paul]

To say Harry Kane is not world class is insane.

He’s by far the best forward in England currently - and for England. He’s scored goals and assists for the last number of years on a regular basis and is on course to break records. At Club and Country level.

Every top club in Europe would buy him, if he was for sale.

He had an off day. He was well marshalled by Pinnock and Mads Bech. Maybe they deserve high praise and not belittle Kane?!

(yet the poster is mad on Canos!!! Crazy stuff)

 

[Les Beeavinu]

To be clear, I wasn't making a point about whether he was a good player or not, I just thought he was a **** for chasing Mike Dean to get Sergi sent off. Not a good look for the England captain.

 

[stevil]

Some absolute nonsense on here. He's been playing twice a week since the start of the season and has a newborn baby at home.

One of the best strikers in the world who will probably be England's all-time top scorer. He wasn't great last night but credit our CBs for keeping in quiet. Most clubs in the world would take him but know that dealing with Levy to try and sign him would be a nightmare.

And who must be desperate for silverware. His behaviour last night shows he was taking us seriously...

 

[stevil]

To be clear, I wasn't making a point about whether he was a good player or not, I just thought he was a **** for chasing Mike Dean to get Sergi sent off. Not a good look for the England captain.

I didn't like that either

 

[Guildford Bee]

To be clear, I wasn't making a point about whether he was a good player or not, I just thought he was a **** for chasing Mike Dean to get Sergi sent off. Not a good look for the England captain.

Maybe but it’s something our players could do with doing a bit more, IMO.

 

[Balders Bee]

To say Harry Kane is not world class is insane.

He’s by far the best forward in England currently - and for England. He’s scored goals and assists for the last number of years on a regular basis and is on course to break records. At Club and Country level.

Every top club in Europe would buy him, if he was for sale.

He had an off day. He was well marshalled by Pinnock and Mads Bech. Maybe they deserve high praise and not belittle Kane?!

(yet the poster is mad on Canos!!! Crazy stuff)

Not sure why having an opinion is insane, you or others may disagree with it which is fair enough. What has my opinion on Harry Kane got to do in any way with any opinions or otherwise I hold on Sergi Canos. Frankly disappointed in that unnecessary dig from someone whose opinion I respect even if I disagree with on occasion.

 

[Balders Bee]

To each their own. I think his numbers speak for themselves, his all round play in terms of dropping back has allowed him to evolve as he ages and there are only three strikers in the world who are - arguably - better than him.

Great England captain and player, IMO.

Fair enough I can understand your view point and his stats are undeniably impressive I don't rate him as highly as you do we'll agree to differ.

 

[taxi driver]

I didn't realise he was such a whiner.

 

[Ealing Bee]

To say Harry Kane is not world class is insane.

He’s by far the best forward in England currently - and for England. He’s scored goals and assists for the last number of years on a regular basis and is on course to break records. At Club and Country level.

Every top club in Europe would buy him, if he was for sale.

He had an off day. He was well marshalled by Pinnock and Mads Bech. Maybe they deserve high praise and not belittle Kane?!

This.

All day long.

And tomorrow.

And repeat.

 

[nocoat]

I agree there is no need to throw terms Such as nonsense or insane around so loosely. Just sets the whole tone of the post off In a negative way and discourages debate and board Harmony

Infractions all round please mods

 

[Les Beeavinu]

I agree there is no need to throw terms Such as nonsense or insane around so loosely. Just sets the whole tone of the post off In a negative way and discourages debate and board Harmony

Pompous ****.

 

[wanderer paul]

I agree there is no need to throw terms Such as nonsense or insane around so loosely. Just sets the whole tone of the post off In a negative way and discourages debate and board Harmony

Infractions all round please mods

don’t post bollox then.

 

[wanderer paul]

I didn't realise he was such a whiner.

A winner maybe?

Shows that he’s the captain. Maybe that’s what we need to be? A lot cleverer. Play the ref. How many yellows did we get to them?

 

[nocoat]

don’t post bollox then.

But that is exactly the point. A subjective opinion cannot be b***ocks. A fact can be b***ocks.

If the poster had said "he hasn't scored all season the pointy nosed ****" that would have been one incorrect statement of fact and two correct statements of fact. You can call that b***ocks.

But as the poster said "i dont rate the pointy nosed ****" it just an opinion and cannot therefore be b***ocks.

 

[nocoat]

A winner maybe?

Shows that he’s the captain. Maybe that’s what we need to be? A lot cleverer. Play the ref. How many yellows did we get to them?

The only thing he has won was when he was in his Arsenal shirt!

 

[wanderer paul]

The only thing he has won was when he was in his Arsenal shirt!

I couldn’t give a toss.

A poster posted something and I gave MY OPINION. Insane bollox. People can say the same about mine. I couldn’t give a sh*t.

 

[taxi driver]

A winner maybe?

Shows that he’s the captain. Maybe that’s what we need to be? A lot cleverer. Play the ref. How many yellows did we get to them?

He a really good player and a big girl's blouse

Jansson and Norgaard were a big miss in the 'clever' stakes.

Great learning experience for our heroes though

 

[Ealing Bee]

But that is exactly the point. A subjective opinion cannot be b***ock*s. A fact can be b***ock*s.

I think it can.

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[nocoat]

I couldn’t give a toss.

A poster posted something and I gave MY OPINION. Insane bollox. People can say the same about mine. I couldn’t give a sh*t.

lol What charm school did you graduate from?!

 

[wanderer paul]

lol What charm school did you graduate from?!

Banana’s

 

[BeeHomeSoon]

He can finish and win freekicks and Pens & that's about it - a bit of a throwback to the old traditional English Centre Forward with a dash of modern 'sh*t housery'. A good Premiership striker and will do well against lesser clubs at International level but their is a reason why the likes of top European Clubs aren't forming a long line for him. Not particularly mobile and not much else to his game. Compare him to a Sala or a Son etc and he's pedestrian. For me England need better at top International level for starters.

Forced one excellent save from Raya and that was about it.....

BeeHomeSoon JR would be outraged with you.
Harry Kane is his favourite England player.

I’ve never seen my boy look so excited that both his favourite players were on the pitch together last night.
Toney is obviously his main favourite player

 

[Ealing Bee]

He can finish and win freekicks and Pens & that's about it - a bit of a throwback to the old traditional English Centre Forward with a dash of modern 'sh*t housery'. A good Premiership striker and will do well against lesser clubs at International level but their is a reason why the likes of top European Clubs aren't forming a long line for him. Not particularly mobile and not much else to his game. Compare him to a Sala or a Son etc and he's pedestrian. For me England need better at top International level for starters.

The reason why they're not "forming a long line for him" is that Levy would demand £150m and right now, no-one has that sort of money, not even giants like Barca or Real Madrid, who are reduced to looking to sell before they can buy, or negotiate swaps or free transfers.

As for "not much else to his game", here's (ahem) one "old traditional English Centre Forward" who disagrees strongly:

"It is the England captain's all-round game that has really impressed me in the past few months, though, because I have noticed what he does at the other end of the pitch too.
I still see Kane as a goalscorer - you have to, because of the sheer number he gets - but it shows how good he is that he is also a creator and defender for Spurs.
It is rare to see such an effective, attacking all-rounder in any circumstances, but on top of that he is the ultimate team player too, willing to do whatever is asked of him."
Why Kane is the ultimate team player - Shearer analysis

 

[Isleworth_Bee]

He can finish and win freekicks and Pens & that's about it - a bit of a throwback to the old traditional English Centre Forward with a dash of modern 'sh*t housery'. A good Premiership striker and will do well against lesser clubs at International level but their is a reason why the likes of top European Clubs aren't forming a long line for him. Not particularly mobile and not much else to his game. Compare him to a Sala or a Son etc and he's pedestrian. For me England need better at top International level for starters.

Forced one excellent save from Raya and that was about it.....

Hes world class BB. If it wasnt for a fantastic save HK would have had a quiet game and still walked off with a goal.

His stats and record speak for itself, and remember hes done a lot of that in what at times has been a pretty average Spurs team.

He walks into every team in the word and that IMO includes Bayern. Barca and Madrid would take him in a heart beat and so would any side in the Prem.

The reason he hasnt moved is becassue,

1) Hes happy there and hasnt forced a move (yet)
2) Daniel L isnt an easy owner to deal with and they know they will have to pay way over the top. ATM there have been similar/cheaper options.

 

[Guildford Bee]

A winner maybe?

Shows that he’s the captain. Maybe that’s what we need to be? A lot cleverer. Play the ref. How many yellows did we get to them?

He, and many other Spurs players, have got noticeably better at this since Mourinho took over.

I always think refs are more influenced by the more experienced players in this respect which is why, as said, Norgaard and Pontus were a big miss last night

 

[Balders Bee]

BeeHomeSoon JR would be outraged with you.
Harry Kane is his favourite England player.

I’ve never seen my boy look so excited that both his favourite players were on the pitch together last night.
Toney is obviously his main favourite player

Don't worry BHS it's only a passing phase he'll grow out of it . When Ivan and Watkins become internationals he'll soon forget HK....

 

[ladbroke]

A winner maybe?

Shows that he’s the captain. Maybe that’s what we need to be? A lot cleverer. Play the ref. How many yellows did we get to them?

Did you notice when Dean was issuing a yellow to us he was responding to a spud?
At one point he waved whoever away (off camera) and pointed to his yellow and insinuated he has it under control and was already cautioning. Think this was Janelts caution. Wasnt a foul, though he played advantage. All because their player acted dead until the game was stopped and he was carded. It was then he got up.
Its amazing how many players seem to recover once a game stops and especially when a card is issued.
I mean, how often have you seen a player lay motionless until the game is stopped and player is carded and only then sits up, pulls socks up and stands up. Sometimes followed by bending over to sort out a wind moment or something to make it look more real that they were hurt.

I watched a game the other day where the player laid for a good minute motionless. Ball kicked out and he then rolled onto his back, and then sat up. What, that minute you laid down you were in pain and as soon as whistle is blown it (the whistle) acts like the magic sponge.
All it does is make the referees think maybe they were caught worse than he initially thought and maybe it needs a yellow when actually nothing happened.

 

[Guildford Bee]

Hes world class BB. If it wasnt for a fantastic save HK would have had a quiet game and still walked off with a goal.

His stats and record speak for itself, and remember hes done a lot of that in what at times has been a pretty average Spurs team.

He walks into every team in the word and that IMO includes Bayern. Barca and Madrid would take him in a heart beat and so would any side in the Prem.

The reason he hasnt moved is becassue,

1) Hes happy there and hasnt forced a move (yet)
2) Daniel L isnt an easy owner to deal with and they know they will have to pay way over the top. ATM there have been similar/cheaper options.

I think there are also a very limited number of teams in the world who could afford him. Barcelona are skint and would struggle to find the money to sign Ivan Toney, let alone Harry Kane. PSG have FFP issues with very little wiggle room until they move on Neymar. That basically leaves Man City and Real Madrid.

 

[Ealing Bee]

I think there are also a very limited number of teams in the world who could afford him. Barcelona are skint and would struggle to find the money to sign Ivan Toney, let alone Harry Kane. PSG have FFP issues with very little wiggle room until they move on Neymar.

Quite correct.

That basically leaves Man City and Real Madrid.

I'm not sure FFP would permit City to lash out £150m (more?) for Kane, plus his wages, at least without selling someone for a decent amount first.

As for Real, they're even worse off than Barca:
Huge concern at Real Madrid over alarming financial situation - Football Espana
Real Madrid braced for €300m revenue hit during 2020/21
Which explains why eg they were so desperate just to reduce Bale's salary that they lent him back to Spurs on very favourable terms (for Spurs, that is).

And it's not just Spanish clubs who are in deep financial doodoo, eg:
Ligue 1 clubs stare into financial abyss after huge TV deal collapses
Serie A clubs racked up staggering debt of £2.3BN last season

I actually think there is potential for the Premier League to come out of this present crisis in an even stronger position (relatively speaking), on a Last Man Standing basis. Which imo makes it ever more important for Bees to get promotion, when compared with eg winning the Lge Cup.

 

[Balders Bee]

The reason why they're not "forming a long line for him" is that Levy would demand £150m and right now, no-one has that sort of money, not even giants like Barca or Real Madrid, who are reduced to looking to sell before they can buy, or negotiate swaps or free transfers.

As for "not much else to his game", here's (ahem) one "old traditional English Centre Forward" who disagrees strongly:

"It is the England captain's all-round game that has really impressed me in the past few months, though, because I have noticed what he does at the other end of the pitch too.
I still see Kane as a goalscorer - you have to, because of the sheer number he gets - but it shows how good he is that he is also a creator and defender for Spurs.
It is rare to see such an effective, attacking all-rounder in any circumstances, but on top of that he is the ultimate team player too, willing to do whatever is asked of him."
Why Kane is the ultimate team player - Shearer analysis

Persuasive points. I accept the argument that clubs do not at the moment have £150m - if that was Levy's asking price- it will be interesting to see if Kane does ever end up at one of those European power house clubs in his career but only time will tell. Let's revisit this thread in 5 years time.

Also I can't discount the view of someone like Shearer as he certainly knows something about Strikers - although as a pundit their is certainly much I wouldn't agree with him on many of his views.

World class is a subjective term - in terms of simple stats- yes I guess he deserves that accolade. Would I put him in the company of Messi, Neymar, or Ronaldo.....personally no. You would rightly point to him winning the Golden Boot at the World Cup in 2018 with six goals and yes the stats back you up however five of his goals came against Tunisia and Panama in the first two matches. In the Knockout stage it was a solitary Pen vs Colombia in the last 16 and arguably his form and touch deserted us when most needed in the latter rounds. His Champions League record is also impressive, the fastest player to reach 20 goals as of November 2019 but he has yet to propel Spurs to any silverware at any level.

I never realised the GPG Harry Kane fan club had such a fully paid up membership and I can't ignore the sheer weight of his goal scoring feats in a sometimes average Tottenham side yet I am afraid I can't for some unfathomable reason warm to the player or his style- personal preference I guess and that no doubt a jaundiced and unfair opinion. I accept I'm swimming against the tide with this one and will retire from the field to let Harry enjoy his rightful status in the game

 

[BeeHomeSoon]

Don't worry BHS it's only a passing phase he'll grow out of it . When Ivan and Watkins become internationals he'll soon forget HK....

Sadly half of my family are Spurs supporters, I think they’re secretly corrupting the poor boy.

its funny you say that, I have to watch all televised Aston Villa games with him as Ollie Watkins plays for them

 

[SmiffyBee]

Persuasive points. I accept the argument that clubs do not at the moment have £150m - if that was Levy's asking price- it will be interesting to see if Kane does ever end up at one of those European power house clubs in his career but only time will tell. Let's revisit this thread in 5 years time.

Also I can't discount the view of someone like Shearer as he certainly knows something about Strikers - although as a pundit their is certainly much I wouldn't agree with him on many of his views.

World class is a subjective term - in terms of simple stats- yes I guess he deserves that accolade. Would I put him in the company of Messi, Neymar, or Ronaldo.....personally no. You would rightly point to him winning the Golden Boot at the World Cup in 2018 with six goals and yes the stats back you up however five of his goals came against Tunisia and Panama in the first two matches. In the Knockout stage it was a solitary Pen vs Colombia in the last 16 and arguably his form and touch deserted us when most needed in the latter rounds. His Champions League record is also impressive, the fastest player to reach 20 goals as of November 2019 but he has yet to propel Spurs to any silverware at any level.

I never realised the GPG Harry Kane fan club had such a fully paid up membership and I can't ignore the sheer weight of his goal scoring feats in a sometimes average Tottenham side yet I am afraid I can't for some unfathomable reason warm to the player or his style- personal preference I guess and that no doubt a jaundiced and unfair opinion. I accept I'm swimming against the tide with this one and will retire from the field to let Harry enjoy his rightful status in the game

I bet, like me, you have Kane and Son in your fantasy team though.

 

[Balders Bee]

I bet, like me, you have Kane and Son in your fantasy team though.

To be fair Smiffy I can never be arsed to do Fantasy Football teams but I cannot deny I would try to get both of them in it .