How will/should LR and other stadiums open/reopen to fans?

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I am told 45,000 to attend the Portugese grand prix next weekend. I am not sure of the reliability of the source for this, other than a mate is intending to go. Will be interesting to see.
 

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I am told 45,000 to attend the Portugese grand prix next weekend. I am not sure of the reliability of the source for this, other than a mate is intending to go. Will be interesting to see.
Cannot see anything happening here for 5 or 6 months given the further restrictions to be announced today. As much as it pains me to say it we could be writing off this season, let's be realistic.
 

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Cannot see anything happening here for 5 or 6 months given the further restrictions to be announced today. As much as it pains me to say it we could be writing off this season, let's be realistic.
why , if fans were allowed to watch non league games and Northern Ireland this weekend
 
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why , if fans were allowed to watch non league games and Northern Ireland this weekend
Because sadly there's zero appetite from within Govt to make it happen. Oliver Dowden was on the morning news again this morning reiterating the Govt line that "now is not the right time to reopen stadiums".
 

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Because sadly there's zero appetite from within Govt to make it happen. Oliver Dowden was on the morning news again this morning reiterating the Govt line that "now is not the right time to reopen stadiums".
They are open though , which is my point. Unless Northern Ireland and East Thurrock are no longer part of the UK
 

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They are open though , which is my point. Unless Northern Ireland and East Thurrock are no longer part of the UK
They aren't as far lockdown measures are concerned.l

What's more annoying is that Oliver Dowden went to the Ballet on Friday. It was an indoor event with 500 in a 2200 capacity venue.
 

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They aren't as far lockdown measures are concerned.l

What's more annoying is that Oliver Dowden went to the Ballet on Friday. It was an indoor event with 500 in a 2200 capacity venue.
I still don't understand whats different from me going to East Thurrock or Brentford ??
 

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Northern Ireland has a devolved government which is able to take its own decisions separately from the UK government which is responsible for public health in England. Decisions over fans are also the responsibility of the Scottish and welsh governments in those countries as well. All have taken very different paths throughout the pandemic. Northern Ireland has allowed some fans for a while.
 

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why , if fans were allowed to watch non league games and Northern Ireland this weekend
I hear what you say Nick, and don't disagree with your reasoning, but with the recent predictable surge in cases it would be political suicide to open up league grounds at this point in time. You cannot compare us with what is going on in NI where there are different rules however, the situation with non league clubs is very confusing. As much as I would love to see a live game at the new venue I have already written off this season, anything that happens before season end to allow us in to grounds will be a bonus imo.
 

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Northern Ireland had fans last night , only 600 but its a start.

Anyone know why not English league teams not allowed but Northern Ireland are ?
NI have a devolved government who rules on sporting events/crowds etc! They don't always mirror Westminster legislation/rules. All sporting events in NI currently allow 600 fans.
 

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Weren't you having a cab on the company each way? Anyway if you cant tell the difference between East Thurrock and the Bees Mr Benham is clearly wasting his money......
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Weren't you having a cab on the company each way? Anyway if you cant tell the difference between East Thurrock and the Bees Mr Benham is clearly wasting his money......
Only for a couple of months , been back on train for 3-4 months , my point is if its safe at East Thurrock its safe at Bees.
 
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Fans turned away from games in NI tonight AS they were arriving at the grounds.
 

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The Government has responded to the petition you signed – “Allow football fans to attend matches at all levels”.
Government responded:

We will take the earliest opportunity to look again at getting spectators safely back into stadia but this must clearly be done carefully against the prevailing health conditions.

Football clubs form the bedrock of our communities and play a vital role in the local economy. Their importance has been clearly demonstrated throughout the pandemic with clubs at all levels providing incredible support to their area.

That is why the Government is committed to supporting sports clubs up and down the country, with many football clubs benefitting from the Government’s unprecedented financial support to businesses.

The Government is fully aware of the importance of getting spectators back into stadia for many sports, and the financial consequences of the decision not to allow this from 1 October. The evidence received from the Chief Medical Officer was very clear that at a time of rapidly rising infections, and when the Government was considering restrictions elsewhere, it was not the right time to undertake any further easements.

We will continue to work closely with a whole range of sports to understand the latest thinking that might allow spectators to return. This includes the creation of a new Sports Technology Innovation Working Group of sporting bodies and health experts to analyse new technologies which might support this. This will supplement the draft government guidance, and the SGSA supplementary guidance to their Green Guide, which has been internationally welcomed.

We are committed to getting spectators back into stadia as soon as it is safe to do so.

Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport
Click this link to view the response online:

Petition: Allow football fans to attend matches at all levels

This petition has over 100,000 signatures. The Petitions Committee will consider it for a debate. They can also gather further evidence and press the government for action.
The Committee is made up of 11 MPs, from political parties in government and in opposition. It is entirely independent of the Government. Find out more about the Committee: How petitions work
Thanks,
The Petitions team
UK Government and Parliament
 

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The Government has responded to the petition you signed – “Allow football fans to attend matches at all levels”.
Government responded:

We will take the earliest opportunity to look again at getting spectators safely back into stadia but this must clearly be done carefully against the prevailing health conditions.

Football clubs form the bedrock of our communities and play a vital role in the local economy. Their importance has been clearly demonstrated throughout the pandemic with clubs at all levels providing incredible support to their area.

That is why the Government is committed to supporting sports clubs up and down the country, with many football clubs benefitting from the Government’s unprecedented financial support to businesses.

The Government is fully aware of the importance of getting spectators back into stadia for many sports, and the financial consequences of the decision not to allow this from 1 October. The evidence received from the Chief Medical Officer was very clear that at a time of rapidly rising infections, and when the Government was considering restrictions elsewhere, it was not the right time to undertake any further easements.

We will continue to work closely with a whole range of sports to understand the latest thinking that might allow spectators to return. This includes the creation of a new Sports Technology Innovation Working Group of sporting bodies and health experts to analyse new technologies which might support this. This will supplement the draft government guidance, and the SGSA supplementary guidance to their Green Guide, which has been internationally welcomed.

We are committed to getting spectators back into stadia as soon as it is safe to do so.

Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport
Click this link to view the response online:

Petition: Allow football fans to attend matches at all levels

This petition has over 100,000 signatures. The Petitions Committee will consider it for a debate. They can also gather further evidence and press the government for action.
The Committee is made up of 11 MPs, from political parties in government and in opposition. It is entirely independent of the Government. Find out more about the Committee: How petitions work
Thanks,
The Petitions team
UK Government and Parliament

Blah blah blah blah blah....next question please.
 

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"How will/should LR and other stadiums open/reopen to fans?"

National lockdown again from this Wednesday then. That'll be next season for LR I'd imagine.
 

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Got a feeling we have a nation wide lockdown coming. Anyone expecting to watch footy at LR this season will be disappointed.

The government are struggling and IMO have little to no plan on how to control the spread.

Opening sports grounds at the highest level would be suicidal for them. It won’t happen any time soon. It may be regulated at the ground but think about the wider picture. Can you really see the thousands of fans travelling around the country adhering to the rules especially when beer is involved?! I can’t. And that’s withoit away fans thrown in.
 

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As above have stated not going to happen now till at least spring or next season. The Gov would be committing suicide if they allowed fans in
Realistically I think next spring has been the earliest for a few weeks now, I’d be very surprised if we get in at all this season and have written that off in my mind.

Am now starting to worry about next season, some of the reports I’ve read in the last couple of days suggest, regardless of whether the first vaccines have been rolled out, social distancing likely to be in play for the foreseeable...not as strict as now but I think sports will be affected for a long time.

I’m normally very positive about all this but feeling seriously gloomy about everything today
 

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Should this new national lockdown come next week and football is stopped for a month I can’t see how the fixtures can be completed without the season being extended.
 

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As above have stated not going to happen now till at least spring or next season. The Gov would be committing suicide if they allowed fans in
Less suicide than a ritual sacrifice of thousands, I'd say. I think we have to accept this season as a write-off as far as watching our team live playing football.
 

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Should this new national lockdown come next week and football is stopped for a month I can’t see how the fixtures can be completed without the season being extended.
I don't think a lockdown will include stopping elite sport. But we will see.
 
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Should this new national lockdown come next week and football is stopped for a month I can’t see how the fixtures can be completed without the season being extended.
Elite sport will continue BCD as it has in Europe where new lockdowns have been introduced.

The real sh*tter will be no more non-league.

As for getting into LR, this season is a write-off. Christ only knows when we’ll be able to open at full capacity, that could be a few years away.
 

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As others have said little or no chance of it happening this season . What pees me off is that fans could and should have been allowed back on a limited basis when the season kicked off . The policy of wait till October was always doomed to failure , what were we waiting for ? the pandemic to return which was inevitably what happened. Been to a couple of non league games recently but I guess those will now either not happen at all or still be behind closed doors.
 
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As others have said little or no chance of it happening this season . What pees me off is that fans could and should have been allowed back on a limited basis when the season kicked off . The policy of wait till October was always doomed to failure , what were we waiting for ? the pandemic to return which was inevitably what happened. Been to a couple of non league games recently but I guess those will now either not happen at all or still be behind closed doors.
The safest time to allow fans back was probably after the restart in June/July when the virus has slowed right down.
 

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Not a bright future for EFL clubs. I hope the EFL get some sort of financial package. We could easily see 20+ clubs go under. 80% clubs already running at a lost before covid.
 

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4pm press conference today, we might not be able to start the 2nd half :fishing:
 

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4pm press conference today, we might not be able to start the 2nd half :fishing:
That's going to be an impressive substitution announcement after the first 45 mins.
 

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4pm press conference today, we might not be able to start the 2nd half :fishing:
that fecker is soooo out of touch that he thinks having a conference at4pm on a saturday is a good time......does he understand that most normal people are watching football at that time ??? politicians are just a waste of space, along with their boffin scientists who have no idea what its like to live in the real world......just get on with life and adapt to this crap disease whatever happens.......another lockdown is just fkin madness......people are dying all the time of OTHER illnesses yet they seem to think this is the only one that matters the fkin useless nobs
 

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Unfortunately it is, in my view, all a picture of doom. As I said before, vaccines take 10 years to produce, including clinical trials, reworking of the vaccine, more clinical trials etc. Yes that can be reduced with good fortune and everyone working on the same vaccine, but 2 to 5 years as a minimum I would say. I cannot see fans in football grounds this season at all, though maybe very reduced numbers in the spring. I reckon limited fans next season and proper crowds at the earliest at the start of the 22-23 season. All of this will lead to a Premier League of 20 clubs, assuming no European super league, and two EFL divisions of 24 clubs each. Everything else will be regional, with a lot of clubs going out of business. I really want to be positive, but I just can't see anything different to something very similar to this scenario.
 

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that fecker is soooo out of touch that he thinks having a conference at4pm on a saturday is a good time......does he understand that most normal people are watching football at that time ??? politicians are just a waste of space, along with their boffin scientists who have no idea what its like to live in the real world......just get on with life and adapt to this crap disease whatever happens.......another lockdown is just fkin madness......people are dying all the time of OTHER illnesses yet they seem to think this is the only one that matters the fkin useless nobs
Now moved to 5pm lol
 

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Unfortunately it is, in my view, all a picture of doom. As I said before, vaccines take 10 years to produce, including clinical trials, reworking of the vaccine, more clinical trials etc. Yes that can be reduced with good fortune and everyone working on the same vaccine, but 2 to 5 years as a minimum I would say. I cannot see fans in football grounds this season at all, though maybe very reduced numbers in the spring. I reckon limited fans next season and proper crowds at the earliest at the start of the 22-23 season. All of this will lead to a Premier League of 20 clubs, assuming no European super league, and two EFL divisions of 24 clubs each. Everything else will be regional, with a lot of clubs going out of business. I really want to be positive, but I just can't see anything different to something very similar to this scenario.
Are you personally involved in the covid vaccine effort on a professional basis then?
 

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Are you personally involved in the covid vaccine effort on a professional basis then?
No, but I used to work at the Glaxo research labs in Greenford and 10 years was the average time to develop a vaccine, after all the clinical trials and stuff and it hasn't changed much over the years. As I say in my opinion I reckon this can be shortened by everyone worldwide working on it, but it is very much a case of trial and error. Who knows they may get lucky early on, but even if they did proper clinical trials will taks some time, which is why I said I think 2 years will be about the quickest for a proper well tested vaccine.
 

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Got a feeling we have a nation wide lockdown coming. Anyone expecting to watch footy at LR this season will be disappointed.

The government are struggling and IMO have little to no plan on how to control the spread.

Opening sports grounds at the highest level would be suicidal for them. It won’t happen any time soon. It may be regulated at the ground but think about the wider picture. Can you really see the thousands of fans travelling around the country adhering to the rules especially when beer is involved?! I can’t. And that’s withoit away fans thrown in.
In a nutshell, unfortunately.
 

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Surely the point of this lockdown is to create the break in viral transmission needed to get on top of this virus. I have friends who, at this moment are taking part in vaccine tests in RLUH.
This might not allow me to be with my sister, one last time, but it could mean that people are allowed into Lionel Road, sooner than you think. That’s my inconclusive opinion.
 
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Surely the point of this lockdown is to create the break in viral transmission needed to get on top of this virus. I have friends who, at this moment are taking part in vaccine tests in RLUH.
This might not allow me to be with my sister, one last time, but it could mean that people are allowed into Lionel Road, sooner than you think. That’s my inconclusive opinion.
The point of the lockdown is to relieve the pressure on hospitals rather than give the green light to get people into football stadiums. There’s no chance of it happening this season.
 

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No, but I used to work at the Glaxo research labs in Greenford and 10 years was the average time to develop a vaccine, after all the clinical trials and stuff and it hasn't changed much over the years. As I say in my opinion I reckon this can be shortened by everyone worldwide working on it, but it is very much a case of trial and error. Who knows they may get lucky early on, but even if they did proper clinical trials will taks some time, which is why I said I think 2 years will be about the quickest for a proper well tested vaccine.
Cheers, good to hear you have some experience. My Mrs worked as a scientist for many years at LSHTM, who are central to all this, so I hear a bit from her about it as well.
 

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COVAX is geared to accelerate the availability of a vaccine:
WHO said:
COVAX is co-led by Gavi, the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations (CEPI) and WHO. Its aim is to accelerate the development and manufacture of COVID-19 vaccines, and to guarantee fair and equitable access for every country in the world.
Our government and their media are incredible reluctant to mention international co-operation but they are involved.
 
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