How will/should LR and other stadiums open/reopen to fans?

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No, but I used to work at the Glaxo research labs in Greenford and 10 years was the average time to develop a vaccine, after all the clinical trials and stuff and it hasn't changed much over the years. As I say in my opinion I reckon this can be shortened by everyone worldwide working on it, but it is very much a case of trial and error. Who knows they may get lucky early on, but even if they did proper clinical trials will taks some time, which is why I said I think 2 years will be about the quickest for a proper well tested vaccine.
There are a lot of things being done to speed up the research and trials which make the standard average time to develop not necessarily a helpful measure.

Possibly the biggest one here is the sheer scale of research resource going in. I work for one of the biggest global Pharma companies and they pulled all their other R&D projects with relevant scientists/tech back in January to focus on Covid19 and to put in place the supply chain, manufacturing and distribution needed to distribute 1bn doses globally by the end of the first half of 2021. I understand from a friend who is a director of a health tech company they’ve been engaged by the NHS to have an online booking service ready to deal with 500k requests a day to support a vaccination programme in early December (though the kicker is that it’ll focus on over 80s first, then 70-80 and after that those with other underlying chronic health conditions, no plan currently to vaccinate the general population...).

But whatever, the reality is that reopening football grounds is right down the priority list.
 

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The last away game, Luton yesterday, to be screened at LR then?!

WW, Barnsley and Rotherham out of the question due to lockdown.....
 

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COVAX is geared to accelerate the availability of a vaccine:
Our government and their media are incredible reluctant to mention international co-operation but they are involved.
At a time like this you would think they would be all over co-operation and telling the wider world they are in it together.
 

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At a time like this you would think they would be all over co-operation and telling the wider world they are in it together.
The Chinese had a head start but very quiet from them.
 

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It might be a small thing, but I was a bit miffed to see that the 'from day one' badges promised to ST holders, which haven't been given to ST holders were part of the goody bag given to those who watched the Luton game at LR.FB_IMG_1604340174880.jpg
 

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It might be a small thing, but I was a bit miffed to see that the 'from day one' badges promised to ST holders, which haven't been given to ST holders were part of the goody bag given to those who watched the Luton game at LR.View attachment 23029
Surely none of us should get them anymore as none of us were there from day one (maybe just Peter Gilham and Banana)
 

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It might be a small thing, but I was a bit miffed to see that the 'from day one' badges promised to ST holders, which haven't been given to ST holders were part of the goody bag given to those who watched the Luton game at LR.View attachment 23029
Season Ticket holders were promised a lot of things. :pop:
 

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I do feel sadness. The club hasn't reflected in my heart my emotion,depth of love and feeling,felt the tears. It just feels distant and elitist.
 

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I'm no expert and seen some posters with some knowledge. But my view on a vaccine for myself is, if I'm fit and healthy and yes always that chance, but why would I take something that hasn't had long term affects tested? When 90% if I do catch it I'll be okay. Mass vaccination with something that hasn't had 10year longer testing on long term affects is a gamble. Okay now don't shoot me down I want to protect everyone. Just a view. Of course I want to get all those at risk vaccinated just throwing a curve ball in there.
 

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I'm no expert and seen some posters with some knowledge. But my view on a vaccine for myself is, if I'm fit and healthy and yes always that chance, but why would I take something that hasn't had long term affects tested? When 90% if I do catch it I'll be okay. Mass vaccination with something that hasn't had 10year longer testing on long term affects is a gamble. Okay now don't shoot me down I want to protect everyone. Just a view. Of course I want to get all those at risk vaccinated just throwing a curve ball in there.
I completely agree, comes down to assessing risk and determining whether covid or king term vaccine effects are the greater risk. If I was 75, had an underlying condition or was overweight I may feel differently.

Surely if all of the over 60s and those with underlying conditions have been vaccinated, there would no longer be a risk of overwhelming the NHS etc because the percentage of younger people that are likely to be hospitalised with it would be relatively low.

Additionally, another 6-9 months of therapeutics research and improvement meaning those that do need hospital treatment can expect better outcomes and far less deaths.

All in all, hoping once those at highest risk from covid have been vaccinated we can start to ease restrictions and move towards normality.
 

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A response from local MP Ruth Cadbury after I’d written stressing the importance of supporters back to stadiums ASAP:

Dear Jack,

Thank you for contacting me about the return of fans to football matches. I know how important this issue is and on Monday 9th November I spoke in the Westminster Hall Debate petitions debate, triggered by the 100,000 signature threshold being reached for a Parliamentary debate.

I addressed the impact that the ongoing spectator ban has had both on clubs such as Brentford FC and others across our whole country.

During my speech I spoke about the important role that football clubs play in their community- which you mentioned in your email.

I know that many people locally are extremely thankful for the amazing work that Brentford FC have done and continue to do in order to support fans, young people and vulnerable residents across our local area. I’m so proud of the work that they’ve done and believe that it’s vital that the Government work with them to ensure that fans can return as soon as it is safe.

I’ve put a link to my speech below,

Football Spectator Attendance: Covid-19 - Hansard

It is concerning that the Premier League has said that for each month of the season without fans attending matches, more than £100 million is lost to football across the leagues. I appreciate this has an impact on local economies and the national economy, as well as putting thousands of jobs at risk. Local clubs play a huge role in their local economy and I’m concerned that the Government have not considered this fully.

It is vital we have a plan for football that is coherent and will provide financial stability over the year to come. England also needs an effective test, trace and isolate system, something the Government is currently failing us on.

The UK Government has recognised the implications for clubs following the decision to postpone reopening stadiums in England on 1 October. It has also been announced National League clubs will receive £10 million in National Lottery funding to help them continue to play behind closed doors.

I believe the UK Government must now honour its manifesto commitment to establish a fan-led review of football governance and get started on this review urgently. We need to know what “fan-led” means in practice, who will take part and, crucially, when we can expect change.

I believe the review must be genuinely driven by what fans want and need, from the grassroots up to ensure football can work for the millions of fans it serves.

Football clubs are institutions at the heart of our communities, and I will continue to support efforts to ensure they have the support they need to get through this crisis.

Thank you once again for contacting me about this issue.

Yours sincerely,

Ruth Cadbury MP
 

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I'm no expert and seen some posters with some knowledge. But my view on a vaccine for myself is, if I'm fit and healthy and yes always that chance, but why would I take something that hasn't had long term affects tested?
The only long-term affect of a vaccine is that you don't get the disease that it protects against.
 

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When we come out of this latest lock down and back into the tiers it will be back on the table again.

We all know it is possible to manage it as easily as restaurants, pubs and cinemas etc so it has to be taken seriously.

I bet we lose when I get to see my first game.
 

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Seems to imply it will depend on what tier each club's region is in, which surely has the potential to be very unfair/disadvantageous to clubs/fans in tier 3!
 
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Seems to imply it will depend on what tier each club's region is in, which surely has the potential to be very unfair/disadvantageous to clubs/fans in tier 3!
It won’t happen. It’s meaningless lip service from a Govt that has no intention of letting this happen this side of Easter
 

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Meanwhile President Macron, speaking with sports authorities says it is not possible that spectators will be returning to stadiums in December while announcing a number of well-funded support programmes, both for clubs at all levels and for young people to have membership fees free under a sports pass plan when youth sport and fitness is allowed to return.
 

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Expect a few trial games with 25% attendance limit at places like Forest Green Rovers. I doubt if I would be prepared to go to LR this side of vaccination.
 

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Match 'witnesses' as an interim measure? Random draw but nobody to attend more than 20% of matches? Normal ticket prices - not ability to pay over the odds.

10% of ground capacity so + - 1600 at our new ground but + - 6000 at Spuds.

Same for cricket, rugby and all outdoor sports.

???
 

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Not sure most of those who froze their ST did so because they expected a return this season.
quite right ! I froze it as i wasnt desperate for the funds so was doing my very small bit. Hoped but didn’t expect to get it in this season
 

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The only long-term affect of a vaccine is that you don't get the disease that it protects against.
Sorry didn't know you were an expert of science in medicine. I bow to your knowledge.
No one on this forum can say 100% there won't be any side affects long term. Deluded if you think that.
I believe in these guys working day and night getting it right and I am for a vaccine 100% but let's not pretend it's been rushed through, most vaccines need long term testing. People shouldn't just shoot others down because their view doesn't match theirs.
 

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I kept mine to firstly help the club, secondly secure my seat for next season and thirdly save paying for a ST next season.

if I get to see a few games this season which I am sure I will then I am covered there too.
First; I'd rather the money in my/families pocket, second; I know the seat will be available next season, third; I'll simply pay about the same amount for the same seat next season. I'd lay cash that you won't be seeing a game this season....just my guess.
 

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Sorry didn't know you were an expert of science in medicine. I bow to your knowledge.
No one on this forum can say 100% there won't be any side affects long term. Deluded if you think that.
I believe in these guys working day and night getting it right and I am for a vaccine 100% but let's not pretend it's been rushed through, most vaccines need long term testing. People shouldn't just shoot others down because their view doesn't match theirs.
Have you got any evidence to the contrary? Show me a vaccine with a "long term" adverse impact please. Anyone will do
 
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Have you got any evidence to the contrary? Show me a vaccine with a "long term" adverse impact please. Anyone will do
Totally missed the point. Other vaccines are tested over a much longer time precisely for that reason. It gives scientists and the guinea pigs much longer to study if there are side effects that take longer to show themselves. If there are, then they never see the light of day for the masses. Seeing as you asked though, MMR has resulted in a negative outcome in a very tiny number of cases. Despite that though, the high number of parents that decided against their children getting that jab (meaning a huge increase in measles in recent years) shows the damage a negative press can do, even though an overwhelming majority have no problems.
 

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Totally missed the point. Other vaccines are tested over a much longer time precisely for that reason. It gives scientists and the guinea pigs much longer to study if there are side effects that take longer to show themselves. If there are, then they never see the light of day for the masses. Seeing as you asked though, MMR has resulted in a negative outcome in a very tiny number of cases. Despite that though, the high number of parents that decided against their children getting that jab (meaning a huge increase in measles in recent years) shows the damage a negative press can do, even though an overwhelming majority have no problems.
This does all seem rather speeded up, about a tenth of the usual time to develop a vaccine if it is being delivered by February. There are lots of people working on it though, much more than is usual, which no doubt helps and as a previous poster said, there is some sort of system for cooperation. Also because it is a Coronavirus, scientists have been working on this type of virus for years, so they are not starting from scratch. As for the risk, caution is useful and surely a personal choice. There was a drug (not a vaccine) that testing failed to demonstrate the full effects of, not necessarily through lack of testing, I don't know the reason why the problems occurred, in the late 1950s/ early 60s. You may remember it, released to help mothers to combat morning sickness. It did not go well.
 
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