India v England Test Series 2021

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This is the best I can find so far but my point isn't about this dismissal. It's about how much of the stumps are needed to reserve an umpires decision at the moment. (Exaggerating) it's almost like it can only be reversed if it hits middle stump. Pretty obvious decisions are not being reversed and the only argument seems to be to protect the umpires.
Over half of the ball has to be in front of the wicket when it hits the pads for a not-out to be overturned. This picture probably shows that the DRS decision was correct.

As for how much of the ball needs to be hitting the wicket to overturn, it has changed from half of the ball being "inside" the middle of the off stump (in this case), half a stump was added a few seasons ago.

You can argue that "back in the day" the ball had to be hitting halfway up middle stump to be given out by any umpire. Personally I think that the balance is about right at the moment. There is still a "cone of uncertainty" that we are not shown on ball-tracking, instead only the most likely path of the ball is shown. Although quite how this is in doubt is beyond me.


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On the Root DRS, was Kohli trying to say Root didnt play a shot? He was late on the shot bringing the bat down completely only after the ball hits his pad.
It certainly wasnt as obvious as the bat being played behind the pad in India’s innings
 

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On the Root DRS, was Kohli trying to say Root didnt play a shot? He was late on the shot bringing the bat down completely only after the ball hits his pad.
It certainly wasnt as obvious as the bat being played behind the pad in India’s innings
Of course he was playing a shot.
 

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DRS gave it as Umpires call, I think he was arguing why the Umpire hasn't given it for England to appeal which would then have been out on review. The point of arguing is the same as when we say we want Brentford players to get in the referees ear, to get the run of the green the next time a decision comes around.
Different sport. We don't want cricket to head down this route, do we? (I'm guessing you're giving your idea of Kohli's rationale, rather than your own recommendation?).
 

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A one test ban?
For consistency Kohli should be fined 15% of his match fee as Anderson was in 2018 for:

Following a DRS review that did not go in England's favour, Anderson snatched his cap and sweater from umpire Dharmasena and spoke to him in an aggressive manner showing dissent at the decision.

Really thankful for Mark H sharing that list - really didn't know England are the bad boys of cricket :D
 

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Same as holysmit revealed Rory Burns is.
 

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Must be a Surrey thing. Surrey and fulham definitely have some disgusting link don’t they. And Burns & Foakes are Surrey.
 

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For consistency Kohli should be fined 15% of his match fee as Anderson was in 2018 for:

Following a DRS review that did not go in England's favour, Anderson snatched his cap and sweater from umpire Dharmasena and spoke to him in an aggressive manner showing dissent at the decision.

Really thankful for Mark H sharing that list - really didn't know England are the bad boys of cricket :D
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You a politician? You should be. i noticed you ignored the fact that 3 under 19 Indian players picked up 13 demerit points in one game o_O:ROFLMAO: (perhaps they are learning from their senior captain ;)). As I said above, demit points only last 24 months.So some of Englands indiscretions are nulled. Still it isn’t more than Indias total.

btw You didn’t comment on my list showing India are top of the list for presenting substandard playing surfaces (Avoiding bad news, another plotician trait).

Back to game. England have come down with a thump. Until our spinners can bowl consistently we don’t have a chance. I struggle to understand why a professional spinner can’t avoid regular full tosses or a long hops. This is Sunday league stuff.
 

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Excellent win by India. As much as England outplayed India in the last test, India outplayed England in this test.

Really good honest interview by Root. Didn’t blame the pitch or the conditions and glad he highlighted the fact that on day one they leaked too many runs. Obvious to anyone.

Not one England batsman got a 50, whereas India had 5 players that did. There lies part of the problem how England lost by 300 odd.

Sets up the next test match and series as a whole nicely.
 

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Why do that have to shriek and scream so much around the square? It’s basically after each delivery.
 

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Really confusing the England selection. Butler plays one test flies home. Ali selected for the 2nd test and then flies home. Looks like there be 3/4 changes for the third test.

Unless Shami is fit then India’s team will be the same for the 3rd as the second test except Bumrah coming in for Kuldeep.
 

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Really confusing the England selection. Butler plays one test flies home. Ali selected for the 2nd test and then flies home. Looks like there be 3/4 changes for the third test.

Unless Shami is fit then India’s team will be the same for the 3rd as the second test except Bumrah coming in for Kuldeep.
It's mainly to reduce the amount of time spent in bubbles I believe.
 

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Well played India. Well-deserved MOM by Ashwin, especially for a second innings ton which was really impressive, although the foundation was very much laid by Rohit Sharma with a rapidly compiled 150 in the first innings, which, in a bowlers' match, would usually have commanded MOM status.
 

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It's mainly to reduce the amount of time spent in bubbles I believe.
I get that but seems all odd that England's top scorer and wickets taker combined in both innings in this test is now being sent home, when he took no part in Sri Lanka or played the first test.
 

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Just reading more into Ali going home. This was his pre-agreed slot and Ali has taken the option. But piss poor from the England PR guys saying Ali 'choose' to go home when the communications was so different for Butler, Wood, Bairstow and Curran.
 

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Well played India. Well-deserved MOM by Ashwin, especially for a second innings ton which was really impressive, although the foundation was very much laid by Rohit Sharma with a rapidly compiled 150 in the first innings, which, in a bowlers' match, would usually have commanded MOM status.
Also these are the games that some of the senior players in the England side need to step up. Stokes by his standards had a relative poor test match. Has not clue against Ashwin (10 times now he has got him in tests), bowled only 2 overs all match, and dropped 2 catches.
 

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Also these are the games that some of the senior players in the England side need to step up. Stokes by his standards had a relative poor test match. Has not clue against Ashwin (10 times now he has got him in tests), bowled only 2 overs all match, and dropped 2 catches.
Still can't work out if Stokes was playing that one off the front foot or back foot. Vaguely front foot, but about three feet from the pitch of the ball. Top technique on a turning pitch :confused:.
 

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Still can't work out if Stokes was playing that one off the front foot or back foot. Vaguely front foot, but about three feet from the pitch of the ball. Top technique on a turning pitch :confused:.
Stokes is at his best counter attacking and should have played like he did when he got his century in Rajkot back in 2016. It was a nothing innings and only a matter of time before Ashwin was going to get him out.

Another fascinating stat I read today, was this was the first test that Root hadn't scored at least a 50 in a test match in India. Shows how good he previously has been in India.
 

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What a classy post match interview by Joe Root on Cricbuzz. In short, England didn’t lose the test because of the pitch, India just simply outplayed us’. ‘Toss was not a deciding factor in the result’.


I think many English supporters and media need to reflect on their hysterical reactions on Sunday. Really looked at sour grapes by many and one should learn from Root and many other ex players.

Vaughan says what he wants for a reaction and most probably 80% of his Twitter followers are India. Agnew is well Agnew, limited cricketing knowledge outside of England.

What I saw in the last 3.5 days was an exciting test match.

Looking forward to the next test match.
 
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I do agree with Vaughan though that it shows that test cricket isn't our priority at the moment and it feels that our preparation is geared towards the T20 world cup in October, much like it was for the 2019 50 over world cup. What I can't fathom though is why Anderson needed to be rested this match, when there is a break between now and the next test anyway, and that he doesn't play white ball cricket anymore.

Anyway, I'd leave out Burns and Lawrence and if it is a day night test do we need two spinners? I'd go:

Sibley
Lawrence
Bairstow
Root
Stokes
Pope
Foakes
Leach
Stone
Archer
Anderson
 

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What a classy post match interview by Joe Root on Cricbuzz. In short, England didn’t lose the test because of the pitch, India just simply outplayed us’. ‘Toss was not a deciding factor in the result’.


I think many English supporters and media need to reflect on their hysterical reactions on Sunday. Really looked at sour grapes by many and one should learn from Root and many other ex players.

Vaughan says what he wants for a reaction and most probably 80% of his Twitter followers are India. Agnew is well Agnew, limited cricketing knowledge outside of England.

What I saw in the last 3.5 days was an exciting test match.

Looking forward to the next test match.
It wasn’t exciting for me but that’s because from tea on day 2 onwards England weren’t in the match, not because of the pitch.

Didn’t realise Moeen was going home, would like to see England give Virdi a go in the next test.
 

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My team would be:

Sibley
Burns
Crawley
Root
Stokes
Pope
Foakes
Leach
Archer
Anderson
Virdi
 

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Since the start of 2017 Bairstow averages 28.9 with the bat in test cricket. I don’t understand why we keep picking him and the calls to bring him back in.
 

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Since the start of 2017 Bairstow averages 28.9 with the bat in test cricket. I don’t understand why we keep picking him and the calls to bring him back in.
I agree, there was a reason Bairstow was dropped in the last ashes series and what really has he done since. He has become a better player just simply by not playing and watching others fail. I am not sure what message it gives to the young players in the squad. Playing IPL in India helps with the climate but the pitch at Ahmedabad will be different from any IPL pitch he would have played in before.
 
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