Meltdown

[Bristolian Bee]

How does the current hot air escaping from the Stuart Dallas thread rank in terms of all time GPG meltdowns?

I'm trying to recall similar explosions...DJ to Brum and the Southampton ticketing debacle spring to mind. How does Dallasgate compare?

Is there some sort of in house warning system in place, with contingency plans at the Towers activated when temperature threshold is breached? I hope at the very least a couple of fans in the basement get turned on for the poor hamsters turning the wheels. Could MB be persuaded to chuck us a few quid for air con?

 

[gbems92]

I dont think this is meltdown this is just a clash of thoughts and people being scared of the unknown ans letting go of a much improved fans favourite. Its only because its close season still, if we were sitting pretty in the play offs with dallas coming off the bench regulary it wouldnt be a problem, and thats where i expect us to be in a couple of months time and throughout the season... without dallas

 

[Untouchable]

Just checked the DJ to Birmingham thread (https://griffinpark.org/forums/showthread.php?t=38497&page=1&highlight=Campbell+Birmingham) and there were over 750 posts in the first 6 hours!!!

 

[Les Beeavinu]

The GPG doesn't meltdown so much because there is a lot more balanced posters these days. The ranters and ragers are on Twitter and Facebook.

 

[abee]

My twopennoth is that this is all about the timing of the offers. If Dallas was moving on a month ago and also at the beginning of July we were reflecting on our response to offers for Gray and Moses then the conclusion would be that it was all under control and part of a grand restructuring plan.

I suggest that it still is but it happens that this weeks events are just before the season starts and after the pre-season is nearly over but MB and his team would have no control over the timing of offers for our players.

I see that Steve Cotterill is asking the Bristol City supporters to be patient as he is clearly having trouble bringing players in.

 

[Downbeat Bee]

I haven't read anything for the last couple of hours but I would hardly say meltdowns not the main. In itself Dallas (and others) going is hardly the worst thing we've ever faced. I suppose the main concern is near to be start of a season. It probably plays in to a latent uncertainty about the full throttle new Brentford we are now seeing.

 

[kendo]

It's all over....

Samaritans website crashed..

ROB last seen approaching the town of Eastbourne and its cliffy heights..

Blunstone already being talked down...

 

[grutter]

That's it. I've just bought a Toblerone and am now driving to Dundee in my bare feet.

 

[NorthamptonBee]

My twopennoth is that this is all about the timing of the offers. If Dallas was moving on a month ago and also at the beginning of July we were reflecting on our response to offers for Gray and Moses then the conclusion would be that it was all under control and part of a grand restructuring plan.

I suggest that it still is but it happens that this weeks events are just before the season starts and after the pre-season is nearly over but MB and his team would have no control over the timing of offers for our players.

I see that Steve Cotterill is asking the Bristol City supporters to be patient as he is clearly having trouble bringing players in.

I think the Mo sell on clause tipped people over the edge, the realisation that we are probably losing a real talent for way under his value knocked the mojo of many, me included, the Dallas news was the extra jab in the ribs that wasn't needed but when you hear he wants out then so be it.

 

[abee]

I think the Mo sell on clause tipped people over the edge, the realisation that we are probably losing a real talent for way under his value knocked the mojo of many, me included, the Dallas news was the extra jab in the ribs that wasn't needed but when you hear he wants out then so be it.

The sell on clause at the reported £3.5m was I assume agreed when Moses who at the time had only played at League One level was signed last summer and is not a figure subsequently reached through escalations.

If that is the case then it seems that perhaps we had no 'escalation' clauses in the contract i.e. sell on increases by £250k for every ten Championship starting appearances and increases for England caps at various levels.

We'll never know the full story but would you buy Moses for Brentford for £3.5m today?? If MB would (and I'd ponder on that) then clearly the sell on figure agreed in the summer of 2014 does not reflect the player's current value.

The best that we can hope for is that the perceived 'low' sell on is balanced by a fixed and substantial sell on clause in the same contract as if he reaches his full potential then he won't finish his career with Hull.

 

[GP200]

...............so...............what time will it restart?????????

 

[RT]

Going on now on the updates thread

 

[kendo]

...............so...............what time will it restart?????????

Oh its started....

 

[TW3Bee]

Better to stay clear of Twitter as well.

Arguments between players and fans.

Not good.

 

[Herbert]

Just checked the DJ to Birmingham thread (https://griffinpark.org/forums/showthread.php?t=38497&page=1&highlight=Campbell+Birmingham) and there were over 750 posts in the first 6 hours!!!

A bit more understandable then as we all knew in them days it was the end of our season as yet again we got rid of our star striker and knew he wouldn't be replaced.
Also we were financially ****ed and had little choice in the matter.

Today we couldn't be in safer hands. Most of the Shiite now is beyond belief

 

[Invipai]

We will probably need a few months at least to blow past this....just how it is. Any time we go behind there will be people who jump to complaining straight away. It will need probably quite a lot of time to get over, hopefully it won't be too damaging in the meantime...

 

[Herbert]

We will probably need a few months at least to blow past this....just how it is. Any time we go behind there will be people who jump to complaining straight away. It will need probably quite a lot of time to get over, hopefully it won't be too damaging in the meantime...

I see no harm in us finishing mid table/top half. Still good. Said all summer this could be a bit of a transition season, so be it if it is. I'm still loving it, we are still heading in the right direction.

And I'm not saying we won't do anything this season, just it's not the end of the world when we look at what MB has and is doing for us

 

[Bristolian Bee]

Is the GPG Towers air con coping ok at the mo?

 

[GP200]

...........not yet............

 

[Bristolian Bee]

Hope the Towers air con can be quickly de-mothballed from its winter inactivity tonight. At least the cold temps outside should help.

 

[Invipai]

I will probably be fairly selective in the threads I click on over the next 7 days...

Management Changes, League games moved for TV thread...ones like that should be fine.

 

[GP200]

...............soon???..........

 

[TW3Bee]

I will probably be fairly selective in the threads I click on over the next 7 days...

Management Changes, League games moved for TV thread...ones like that should be fine.

Probably best to avoid this one then mate.

Give Twitter and Facebook a swerve too.

 

[Mr Tree]

I will probably be fairly selective in the threads I click on over the next 7 days...

Management Changes, League games moved for TV thread...ones like that should be fine.

indeed. this is the first time i've logged on since (it's this or Monday morning work :yuck: ), and there's no way i'm wandering into the battles being fought elsewhere. pathetic. you'd think they've never seen us lose

 

[GP200]

.............have the usual suspects surfaced????????.........

 

[kendo]

Not yet...

 

[Col T]

There's time...off to the snug...Shove Ha'penny anyone?

 

[hatfieldbee]

There's time...off to the snug...Shove Ha'penny anyone?

Gloucester B has been on to say he's hibernated. We await arrivals of Berks bee, Hanworth and Nada! Oh, and Andyrew!

 

[Lionel Bart-At]

What would be the opposite of meltdown, to describe the reaction which followed the Wolves match? Freeze-up? Love-in? Resolidification?

 

[GP200]

...............has it started yet???????...........

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Yes.

 

[beeherenow]

Understandably tbh

 

[GP200]

.................could get messy...............

 

[tobymugdo]

GP200 did you go today,this site should 100 % be in meltdown we were just totally humiliated by our local rivals. If you went and we're satisfied with what you saw, then you are far too easily please and aredefinitely a 2 pumps and a squirt kind of guy.

 

[GP200]

GP200 did you go today,this site should 100 % be in meltdown we were just totally humiliated by our local rivals. If you went and we're satisfied with what you saw, then you are far too easily please and aredefinitely a 2 pumps and a squirt kind of guy.

...............thanks for your input............I did go today and was impressed by the number of our fans who sat throughout.............most refreshing...........

 

[Col T]

You can criticise for many things, and I do, but not his support....his hat maybe.

 

[Walton Bee]

This thread is embarrassing like the people who started it. We're *****, please close it.

 

[dbee3]

GP200 did you go today,this site should 100 % be in meltdown we were just totally humiliated by our local rivals. If you went and we're satisfied with what you saw, then you are far too easily please and aredefinitely a 2 pumps and a squirt kind of guy.

So anyone that isn't screaming and shouting "SMITH OUT" and "That's it we're down" after every game is someone thoroughly delighted with how things are?

 

[robBEEh]

GP200 did you go today,this site should 100 % be in meltdown we were just totally humiliated by our local rivals. If you went and we're satisfied with what you saw, then you are far too easily please and aredefinitely a 2 pumps and a squirt kind of guy.

You're out of order telling other people how they should react. You're entitled to your opinion but don't start having a dig at a supporter who attends week in, week out. He has his own way of supporting the club that a lot would do well to follow. To bring personal insults and analogy in might be out of frustration but leave the longstanding and genuine supporters out of it.

 

[Paulturrell]

We did not play well again today. Too fragile at the back and too predictable going forward. Fred Graham's refereeing was a complete disgrace and the fact is he cost us a goal when not giving an obvious free kick before Polter got through. Can't fault the effort from most of the players but we don't have penetration. Frankly, the Ra Ras and I hate to say it had a bit more class with Faurlin, Hoilettt and Philips. We need to tough it out get enough points to survive and re-build. Brentford till I die but very disappointed. We must spend i' m afraid and spend well especially on forwards.

 

[ruislip bee]

We did not play well again today. Too fragile at the back and too predictable going forward. Fred Graham's refereeing was a complete disgrace and the fact is he cost us a goal when not giving an obvious free kick before Polter got through. Can't fault the effort from most of the players but we don't have penetration. Frankly, the Ra Ras and I hate to say it had a bit more class with Faurlin, Hoilettt and Philips. We need to tough it out get enough points to survive and re-build. Brentford till I die but very disappointed. We must spend i' m afraid and spend well especially on forwards.

Agreed. The midfield is also so fragile, unimaginative and uncreative at present. If we do manage to stay up there needs to be wholesale changes to the squad in the summer otherwise next season will be very painful indeed.

 

[Ashford Bees]

Bournemouth won again. Looking a safe bet to stay up and pick up a bumper payday next season. Around Jan last year I thought we would follow their lead.....have a good 1st season in championship, maybe a late surge for playoffs and walk the league this season. Instead the wheels have properly fallen off and we!re staring into the league 1 abyss.

 

[A_BEE_SINCE_63]

Is there something happening at GP that us mere long-term supporters are, as yet, unaware of?

I'm all for a conspiricy theory or two, but I do try to pay respect to MB and what he has done for our club. However, what we are faced with at the moment, I find to be bizzare. Out of character for what I regard as the New Brentford.

Is it the delay in getting the final nod for the new stadium? Is it running scared of Financial Fair Play rules? Is it that we have blown our budget on signing players during the Summer transfer window and what we have got is what we run with? Or, with all due respect to MB, are the Bees not top of his priority list at the present time?

Whatever, the answer is, or whether it is a combination or two or more, I for one fear we are staring down the barrel of a return to League One. A return of W2 D1 L10 in League and Cup matches since the start of January with little or (possibly) no action to address the squad issues, seems as if nobody at the top cares.

Would somebody please enlighten me.

 

[brooks]

I don't fancy League 1 next season with Coventry, Sheffield, Millwall, Bolton and Charlton. How much extra would Benham have to invest just to get back up again? More or less than needed just to stay here?

 

[brian692]

Is there something happening at GP that us mere long-term supporters are, as yet, unaware of?

I'm all for a conspiricy theory or two, but I do try to pay respect to MB and what he has done for our club. However, what we are faced with at the moment, I find to be bizzare. Out of character for what I regard as the New Brentford.

Is it the delay in getting the final nod for the new stadium? Is it running scared of Financial Fair Play rules? Is it that we have blown our budget on signing players during the Summer transfer window and what we have got is what we run with? Or, with all due respect to MB, are the Bees not top of his priority list at the present time?

Whatever, the answer is, or whether it is a combination or two or more, I for one fear we are staring down the barrel of a return to League One. A return of W2 D1 L10 in League and Cup matches since the start of January with little or (possibly) no action to address the squad issues, seems as if nobody at the top cares.

Would somebody please enlighten me.

I was thinking on the same lines,after reading our owners article it seemed to imply we can't compete in the championship until we are playing in the new ground,so with lack of address too our plight it seems like they want the club to go down where we can compete,until the ground is up and running.I know i'll get shot down for this but perhaps it for financial reasons.

 

[jlove]

I was thinking on the same lines,after reading our owners article it seemed to imply we can't compete in the championship until we are playing in the new ground,so with lack of address too our plight it seems like they want the club to go down where we can compete,until the ground is up and running.I know i'll get shot down for this but perhaps it for financial reasons.

I think you're reading much too much into it. While we have one of the smallest turnovers, and therefore spendable incomes, in the Championship while at GP, MB is prepared to fund the gap until we get to LR; FFP limits the amount. Once we're in LR, there will be a period of a season or two until a clearer financial forecast can be accurate but you can expect the level of player budget to increase. There's no financial benefit to going down!

 

[Full Metal Jacket]

I was thinking on the same lines,after reading our owners article it seemed to imply we can't compete in the championship until we are playing in the new ground,so with lack of address too our plight it seems like they want the club to go down where we can compete,until the ground is up and running.I know i'll get shot down for this but perhaps it for financial reasons.

As I understand it we need to sell players each year to bring our losses down to a fundable level, ie somewhere around £5m perhaps (which MB is apparently willing to subsidise). Even then we can only pay very modest wages (by Championship standards). We can pay transfer fees for new players but only generally up to one or two million and even then only for younger players with likely resale value. This means, obviously, that simply surviving in this league is difficult - never mind challenging at the top end of the table! Some of our rivals have budgets three or four times ours.

In these circumstances the focus is inevitably strongly on the recruitment process and the management and coaching side. After all, when you are paupers value for money is paramount. We simply have to get the best we can out of what we can afford. And, in a nutshell, that's why the DOFs and the Head Coach are under pressure - a lot of people on here think they could all be doing much better.

 

[Delbee]

Not the result we wanted Charlton 2 Middlesborough 0

It get harder by the day

 

[BerksBee]

Would somebody please enlighten me.

It's a good question isn't it? Where's it all gone wrong?

I don't think you can point to any one specific reason, it's a combination of a number of reasons for why we are where we are. Ultimately, the bottom line is this: we simply do not have the funds or budget to buy in the kind of experienced, quality Championship players you need to be successful in this division. Not just in terms of signing on fee, but in in terms of wages.

Let's be brutally honest here, at least half the current side aren't good enough or experienced enough to be playing regular first team football in the Championship. But we're currently having to play them because they're the best we've currently got. How many first team players have more than a seasons experience in the Championship? I can only think off 4, all remnants from last year: Button, Dean, Bidwell, Judge. The rest of them are either continental imports or players on loan or players that have come up from lower divisions. You can get away with introducing one or two promising youngsters or inexperienced players into an established side, but you can't get away with playing more than half the team with them.

The good news is, I think the lessons have been learnt. You can't change so much so quickly, you can't rely on bringing in inexperienced/young or continental players in and expect them to adapt immediately to the physicality of Championship football.

 

[A_BEE_SINCE_63]

It's a good question isn't it? Where's it all gone wrong?

I don't think you can point to any one specific reason, it's a combination of a number of reasons for why we are where we are. Ultimately, the bottom line is this: we simply do not have the funds or budget to buy in the kind of experienced, quality Championship players you need to be successful in this division. Not just in terms of signing on fee, but in in terms of wages.

Let's be brutally honest here, at least half the current side aren't good enough or experienced enough to be playing regular first team football in the Championship. But we're currently having to play them because they're the best we've currently got. How many first team players have more than a seasons experience in the Championship? I can only think off 4, all remnants from last year: Button, Dean, Bidwell, Judge. The rest of them are either continental imports or players on loan or players that have come up from lower divisions. You can get away with introducing one or two promising youngsters or inexperienced players into an established side, but you can't get away with playing more than half the team with them.

The good news is, I think the lessons have been learnt. You can't change so much so quickly, you can't rely on bringing in inexperienced/young or continental players in and expect them to adapt immediately to the physicality of Championship football.

The views that I read from fellow Brentford supporters should reassure me that I am not going 100% mad. Indeed they are much in line with my own.

** There's no financial benefit to going down!

** That's why the DOFs and the Head Coach are under pressure!

** At least half the current side aren't good enough or experienced enough to be playing regular first team football in the Championship!

** You can't rely on bringing in inexperienced/young or continental players!


However, what I don't see from MB, or the Chairman, or the Chief Executive Officer or DoFs, or the Head Coach, and certainly not the vast majority of the players, are actions to address to current and deepening problems on the pitch, should there be no financial benefit to going down.

I guess that I and others can do little than grin and bear it.