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I'm becoming increasingly exasperated with the sheer inadequacy and blandness of the football pundits and experts. They often just talk absolute rubbish, the latest example is Ugo Ehiogu on the radio this morning saying that 'players cant take criticism due to increased pressure in the game, which has been brought about by all the extra pressure'!!

WTF are you on about, thats like saying I'm cold because i feel cold!

Also Hansen who is fast becoming the laziest pundit on TV described an Everton goal on MOTD on Saturday said 'the ball came into Fellaini who controlled it fantastically before crossing it for the goal'.

Watch the replay his attempted control went 5-6 yards away from him and he actually had to run after it!

Any other examples, SPECIFIC, quotes not just general stuff please share the terrible comments these blokes are making.

Disclaimer: Paul Merson is excluded from this as anyone who says "Arsene Wenger has given us all an unbelievable sense of belief" is clearly a genius
 

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Talkshit radio should also be excluded! Good thread!
 

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Remember a guy on Eurosport way back said 'if it had gone in it would have been a goal'
 

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The majority of pundits are poor and base themselves on sound bites, quite why the Beeb persists with Hansen is beyond me, his style is so tired out now and he just repeats himself all the time. Lee Dixon is quite good I guess. Let’s not get started on Garth Crooks though.

ESPN pundits are lively although like Talksport they are on a windup most of the time methinks. In general the radio stations are better as they have to work harder at it for obvious reasons.

Its' the clichés which get me though like “this is a hard place to come”.. where isn’t? and when will they identify an easy place to play away?
 

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Brian Moore: 'Quickly Kevin you know him best will Batty score'
Kevin Keegan: 'yes'

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Brian Moore: 'Quickly Kevin you know him best will Batty score'
Kevin Keegan: 'yes'

:sneakoff:
BM publicly apologised to KK for that gaffe, he took all the blame for putting him on the spot like that, it was a mighty shame that BM died on that day when we thrashed Germany, old style maybe now but a really good presenter IMO.
 

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BM publicly apologised to KK for that gaffe, he took all the blame for putting him on the spot like that, it was a mighty shame that BM died on that day when we thrashed Germany, old style maybe now but a really good presenter IMO.
Agree ref BM. Happy memories of the Big Match on Sunday afternoons back in the day
 

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Brian Moore: 'Quickly Kevin you know him best will Batty score'
Kevin Keegan: 'yes'

:sneakoff:
Didn't Keegan also say in an England world cup game (v Romania?) that England go on to win comfortably after scoring only to lose 2-1.

In the 1994 World Cup he accused one of the Americans of making a meal out of an incident with Leanardo in the quarter final. The camera on the other side of the pitch revealed that the American had been caught squarely on the jaw by a punch
 

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Even the RTE pundits were a bit off colour during the Euros, normally they are brilliant and totally forthright. The difference between the Graeme Souness on RTE and the Graeme Souness on Sky is mind-boggling. There certainly aren't any regular BBC TV pundits who seem to even have a grasp of the game, let alone the ability to talk coherently. Their radio pundits are better, but it's the analysis I like to hear - there are barely any pundits out there who can explain why something happened in words and without replays from ten angles.
 

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The commentary on MOTD is poor as well, it's so blatantly done afterwards, to focus on the "big talking points" and to lay the ground for the pundits (well, Hansen and Shearer).
 

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Take a look @ the bundesliga higlights on ITV2 or ITV4 might be Monday nights. Obviously all voice overs but awful IMO
 

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Driving on Sunday I had TalkSport on with the first half commentary on the merseyside derby. At half time, Sam Matterface said "there is only one word to describe the first half, Absolutely brilliant!!"
 

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The commentary on MOTD is poor as well, it's so blatantly done afterwards, to focus on the "big talking points" and to lay the ground for the pundits (well, Hansen and Shearer).
I don't get to see MOTD very often but I note that Shearer has seamlessly slipped in to the complacent, blandness of Hansen & Lawrenson.

His efforts on MOTD2 a couple of weeks ago was poor, not helped by the unfunny presenter (didn't catch his name). At least Mick McCarthy was there to provide some useful insight
 

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I guarantee Andy townsend says "half a yard" at least twice per game.
 
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Even the RTE pundits were a bit off colour during the Euros, normally they are brilliant and totally forthright. The difference between the Graeme Souness on RTE and the Graeme Souness on Sky is mind-boggling. There certainly aren't any regular BBC TV pundits who seem to even have a grasp of the game, let alone the ability to talk coherently. Their radio pundits are better, but it's the analysis I like to hear - there are barely any pundits out there who can explain why something happened in words and without replays from ten angles.
exactly
 

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Alan Hansen is better than Shearer (bore fest) and Mark Lawrensen (become very much 'cynical old git'). But yeah, knowledge is one thing but you also have to give it in an interesting manner, which none of them do at the BBC really.

To refer back to the original poster, Paul Merson I like because while he isn't always right, he says what he believes and he says it in a passionate way. He's not saying it because he thinks it's 'the formal thing to say', he'll say it because he believes it. He's much more interesting to listen to on Soccer Saturday than any of the BBC pundits.
 

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Driving on Sunday I had TalkSport on with the first half commentary on the merseyside derby. At half time, Sam Matterface said "there is only one word to describe the first half, Absolutely brilliant!!"
And he gets to go to bed with the delicious natalie sawyer, no ****ing justice in this world :nono:
 

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please share the terrible comments these blokes are making.
Graeme Le Saux on MOTD2 on Sunday said that Clattenburg "clearly" hesitated when pulling out Torres' red. I didn't see any hesitation, other than that Clattenburg pulled out the yellow first and then went to get to the red, whereas quite often a ref will get both cards out at the same time and then hold them up in quick succession.

MOTD now seems to be very tabloidy and all about hyping up the stories or stuff that wasn't in "the script", rather than just discussing the football. They're also obsessed with selling the "Barclays Premier League" to the hilt. By contrast, on RTE, Bill O'Herlihy tries to get under the skin of the pundits by bringing in quotes/stories/conjecture from the media and whoever he's talking to will react by saying "we're here to talk about the game".
 
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Get Adrian Chiles far away from anything to do with football on the telly - in fact, :idea: get him off the television full stop - and the world will be a better place ... :yes:

As pundits - I like Peter Beagrie very much, I don't like Garth Crooks, I like Leroy Rosenior, I don't like Mark Lawrenson

Hope that helps ? :shrug:
 
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Graeme Le Saux on MOTD2 on Sunday said that Clattenburg "clearly" hesitated when pulling out Torres' red. I didn't see any hesitation, other than that Clattenburg pulled out the yellow first and then went to get to the red, whereas quite often a ref will get both cards out at the same time and then hold them up in quick succession.

MOTD now seems to be very tabloidy and all about hyping up the stories or stuff that wasn't in "the script", rather than just discussing the football. They're also obsessed with selling the "Barclays Premier League" to the hilt. By contrast, on RTE, Bill O'Herlihy tries to get under the skin of the pundits by bringing in quotes/stories/conjecture from the media and whoever he's talking to will react by saying "we're here to talk about the game".
Lol when I was watching it with le saux I thought oh I never noticed that, then I thought what on earth is he on about when I actually watched the replay.
 

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Collymore annoys me. Shouting your point does not make it more true or interesting!
 

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These pundit bum boys are useless. They refuse to tell the truth incase they upset a mate in the game. All they do i say what you see.

'He crossed the ball & he's headed that in the goal'.

Yes i can f*cking see that you knob head.

Their research is lazy & so poor considering the money they pick up. Jamie Redknapp the other day was calling Cazorla - Corzola! At least get the name right you muppet, thats basic.

Vialli during the Euro's was a joy to listen to. Simple & educated, really explained things well with regards to tactics.
 

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Steve Claridge can **** off.

John Barnes can **** off.

But the KING for me, the KING of **** off.

Is Chris ****ing Waddle.

**** off.

Thanks.... phew.
 

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The rules for MOTD seem to be tell a story and not go overboard though for fear of upsetting players, managers and referees.

There was a good moment last weekend when they were discussing video technology for big decisions. One of the pundits explained that technology is a way forward, but it would be also helpful if the "morons" currently officiating matches were replaced with people competent enough to do it. Actually, I didn't hear anyone say that, but how refreshing it would be if more analysts were that brutal. The closest we have to someone with that sort of bottle to deliver a fearless judgement is Alan Green on Radio 5.

I would like some of the ex-pro analysts stop being so safe.
 

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The rules for MOTD seem to be tell a story and not go overboard though for fear of upsetting players, managers and referees.
...and they also pitch (dumb down) their coverage so that people who don't follow or know anything about football can understand it. It's like it's a family show that is presented to fans of the Premiership. Then again I guess Five Live caters more for proper supporters.
 

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...and they also pitch (dumb down) their coverage so that people who don't follow or know anything about football can understand it. It's like it's a family show that is presented to fans of the Premiership. Then again I guess Five Live caters more for proper supporters.
I think that pretty much sums it up. I go away from 606 feeling as though everything has been discussed and dissected. Contrast with MOTD.
 
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These pundit bum boys are useless. They refuse to tell the truth incase they upset a mate in the game. All they do i say what you see.

'He crossed the ball & he's headed that in the goal'.

Yes i can f*cking see that you knob head.

Their research is lazy & so poor considering the money they pick up. Jamie Redknapp the other day was calling Cazorla - Corzola! At least get the name right you muppet, thats basic.

Vialli during the Euro's was a joy to listen to. Simple & educated, really explained things well with regards to tactics.
Oh yeah I'd totally forgotten about Vialli, I remember being genuinely engrossed with what he said and how he said it.
 
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Well he definitely over enunciates his words since he started presenting Spanish football.
 

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I think somebody has sucked Minto's soul out of him. Mr Grey of the football tv world. Mr monotone
 
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So true!
 

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one of the worst punditry episodes I saw was Freddie Ljungberg on MOTD 2 a few weeks ago..one word answers, it was painful viewing.
 

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one of the worst punditry episodes I saw was Freddie Ljungberg on MOTD 2 a few weeks ago..one word answers, it was painful viewing.
I think intellectually he's a cut above the guff on MOTD2 though, but he's obviously shy. He sat there wincing through most of MOTD3.
 

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Fox soccer in the states is hilarious with 'former England international' Warren Barton
 

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David Pleat was a hard listen, you always knew that after night games, he'd be telling the wife about non-existent roadworks on the way home to explain away his late arrival.

I like Don Goodman, I liked Marwood too.
 

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Graeme Le Saux on MOTD2 on Sunday said that Clattenburg "clearly" hesitated when pulling out Torres' red. I didn't see any hesitation, other than that Clattenburg pulled out the yellow first and then went to get to the red, whereas quite often a ref will get both cards out at the same time and then hold them up in quick succession.

MOTD now seems to be very tabloidy and all about hyping up the stories or stuff that wasn't in "the script", rather than just discussing the football. They're also obsessed with selling the "Barclays Premier League" to the hilt. By contrast, on RTE, Bill O'Herlihy tries to get under the skin of the pundits by bringing in quotes/stories/conjecture from the media and whoever he's talking to will react by saying "we're here to talk about the game".
Beat Poet, how do you watch RTE (based on that you live in Hertfordshire on your profile). Would be good to watch the GAA over here without having to pay for Premier Sports. And back to the topic of the thread, I remember seeing a clip of an RTE post match show during which Cristiano Ronaldo had dived and the pundit called him a c**t live on air, and they didn't even apologize for it.
 

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Fox soccer in the states is hilarious with 'former England international' Warren Barton
they have a shouty geordie too, don't they? i watched the Classico highlights the other day and the American commentator and this geordie **** were just shouting absolute nonsense, full of ridiculous similes and metaphors - i have erased it all from my memory so no examples, sorry :shrug:
 

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Alan Smith is a ****

Talking bollox all night & just suggested a UTD player never got a red card because of his age?!

WTF does that even mean?

He also stated that for the first goal the Chelsea player didnt want the ball when infact he ran back 5-10yrds to collect the ball?!
 

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Beat Poet, how do you watch RTE (based on that you live in Hertfordshire on your profile). Would be good to watch the GAA over here without having to pay for Premier Sports. And back to the topic of the thread, I remember seeing a clip of an RTE post match show during which Cristiano Ronaldo had dived and the pundit called him a c**t live on air, and they didn't even apologize for it.
I can't watch it, that's the problem, but I avidly collect the vids of the punditry that people upload to YT. Check out my playlist at http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL22AE73090E523A28&feature=mh_lolz, some great RTE stuff in there.

That Ronaldo comment though, are you sure that wasn't when Dunphy called him a "cod"? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7paagUjLh8&list=PL22AE73090E523A28&index=10&feature=plpp_video
 

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