QPR the mediocre club that keeps on giving

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They’ve said it a number of times for some years, Holloway, Ramsey, Ferdinand, the owners that they want to copy us but don’t. Love it. The more they praise us and continue to do the opposite is a joy to watch
Funny thing is they do look a bit like a poor version of us under Smith but haven’t yet twigged that they need to sort out their defensive mindset. Warburton is not the manager to do that because I don’t think he has a clue about defending but has improved their forward play. Let’s hope they don’t find their Pontus equivalent or a manager who can drive that culture change without sacrificing attacking intent.
 
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Funny thing is they do look a bit like a poor version of us under Smith but haven’t yet twigged that they need to sort out their defensive mindset. Warburton is not the manager to do that because I don’t think he has a clue about defending but has improved their forward play. Let’s hope they don’t find their Pontus equivalent or a manager who can drive that culture change without sacrificing attacking intent.
They wish they could be a poor version of us under smith.

They’re dog sh*t at defending and they’re attacking is the same. Samuel doesn’t want to be there. They’ve scored 2 in how many games, one of those an own goal.

They’re sh*t
 
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A lovely assist by Barbet for the first Swansea goal.
I thought YB looked disappointed not to have notched another OG for them!!!
Maybe he was thinking doing that would just make it TOO obvious, and his cover would be blown??!! 😂😂
 

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Sadly I think after those two defeats, Warburton will be sacked. Shame as he’s doing a fine job.
They are years behind us and MW will never succeed there as there's too much rebuilding to do.
 

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They’ve said it a number of times for some years, Holloway, Ramsey, Ferdinand, the owners that they want to copy us but don’t. Love it. The more they praise us and continue to do the opposite is a joy to watch
The thing is, so many clubs go on about doing it 'the Brentford way' but no-one has the balls to see it out like we have done. Took a lot to stick to our guns after Warbs left and also when things weren't at all rosy under both Smith and Frank. QPR is an enormous rebuilding project, it's not going to happen overnight and probably the worst thing they could do now would be to dump Warbs and get a Warnock clone in but that's probably what will happen and also why we're light years ahead of them and will probably remain so.
 

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True we are light years in front of them in every aspect. Long may it continue. U Bees. 🐝🐝🐝
 
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The thing is, so many clubs go on about doing it 'the Brentford way' but no-one has the balls to see it out like we have done. Took a lot to stick to our guns after Warbs left and also when things weren't at all rosy under both Smith and Frank. QPR is an enormous rebuilding project, it's not going to happen overnight and probably the worst thing they could do now would be to dump Warbs and get a Warnock clone in but that's probably what will happen and also why we're light years ahead of them and will probably remain so.
I would like to add to your post.
The aggravations we took when we closed the Academy we lost 2 lads to Manchester for peanuts , saying we would change to a B Squad . This shows the progressive thinking the club is making

I wonder if QPR and their fans are hoping that if they get Planning Permission for the Training Ground In Heston, Heston being in the borough of a Hounslow that they may get some positive vibes (hope not to both points)
 

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I would like to add to your post.
The aggravations we took when we closed the Academy we lost 2 lads to Manchester for peanuts , saying we would change to a B Squad . This shows the progressive thinking the club is making

I wonder if QPR and their fans are hoping that if they get Planning Permission for the Training Ground In Heston, Heston being in the borough of a Hounslow that they may get some positive vibes (hope not to both points)
Will take more then a training ground to get them going in the right direction. Its very weird that they consider it to be a big factor. Especially when you consider Jersey Road.............. Others are ITK but i doubt its top notch but we still manage to do well.
 

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Many good general points made within this specific thread. A number of clubs' fans write about doing things the Brentford way as if it's something that can be switched on and off. Like all you need is a bit of mathematical analysis and a decent scouting network, close the academy and you're away. These are only the external signs that we're different and not the reason. You need ownership, club management, playing management and all supporting activities to be completely aligned to the way of doing things and to continuous improvement. There will be more downs that ups in the early stages and you'll need to hold your nerve with belief that you are right in the long term. How many clubs could do this? How many owners would do this? We're blessed.
 

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Many good general points made within this specific thread. A number of clubs' fans write about doing things the Brentford way as if it's something that can be switched on and off. Like all you need is a bit of mathematical analysis and a decent scouting network, close the academy and you're away. These are only the external signs that we're different and not the reason. You need ownership, club management, playing management and all supporting activities to be completely aligned to the way of doing things and to continuous improvement. There will be more downs that ups in the early stages and you'll need to hold your nerve with belief that you are right in the long term. How many clubs could do this? How many owners would do this? We're blessed.
Good post!!
One other thing that helps in doing things "the Brentford way", is having an understanding fan base.
Luckily I think the vast majority of us are knowledgeable enough about how we operate to not throw our toys out of the pram when, for example, we sell our 2 best players. I can't think of many of clubs whose supporters would be so 'understanding'.
Obviously, as we've seen in places this season, we still have a vocal minority who still "don't get it", but maybe one day the penny will finally drop even with them....
 

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Will take more then a training ground to get them going in the right direction. Its very weird that they consider it to be a big factor. Especially when you consider Jersey Road.............. Others are ITK but i doubt its top notch but we still manage to do well.
The buildings might not be great at JR, (although that is planned to be fixed). However the facilities are top top facilities.
 
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I would like to add to your post.
The aggravations we took when we closed the Academy we lost 2 lads to Manchester for peanuts , saying we would change to a B Squad . This shows the progressive thinking the club is making

I wonder if QPR and their fans are hoping that if they get Planning Permission for the Training Ground In Heston, Heston being in the borough of a Hounslow that they may get some positive vibes (hope not to both points)
I remember all the Ra ras in my local caning us about the development, saying it’s scummy what we’ve done blah blah. Now they’ve come out & said they want to do the same. I look forward to letting them know how scummy they are.

They’ve already got permission for Heston as those who were using the facilities have started moving out
 

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Good post!!
One other thing that helps in doing things "the Brentford way", is having an understanding fan base.
Luckily I think the vast majority of us are knowledgeable enough about how we operate to not throw our toys out of the pram when, for example, we sell our 2 best players. I can't think of many of clubs whose supporters would be so 'understanding'.
Obviously, as we've seen in places this season, we still have a vocal minority who still "don't get it", but maybe one day the penny will finally drop even with them....
Its because all we have known is failure. Even when we had a good season it was always followed by times of hardship because it always ended badly. Thats why out of most clubs our fans have understood it and allowed it to happen. Up until recently we had very few fans who demanded success and thought we had a right to be somewhere.

Add that into a solid operation behind the scenes that has taken the best part of 10 years to implement and hey presto you have a model that is in place that will have its ups and downs but at some point it will bear the ultimate fruit.

No other team out there IMO will give managers like Smith and Frank the time and belief that we have. I guarantee most especially during our toughest run would have turned to the managerial roundabout. We dont, the only exception being Marinus, and the club acted quickly and held their hands up. Even Uwe had his tough times but we knew it was a work in progress. All of our managers have had a bit of input into our model and it has grown and evolved with them and after them. Teams like QPR will never give their managers that time to turn things around. The only team i see similarities with is Southampton.

Before that it was Swansea, who IMO went away from what made them good. I hope we stay on our path for a long time to come. A lot of that will be down to MB and keeping PG and RA. We lost a huge cog in RR but i hope we can still follow up on his good work.
 

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One thing I've noticed on one of their forums is that they are lauding the fact that the club has now adopted a "Buy Low and Sell High" transfer policy.

As if (a ) any club would set out to "Buy High and Sell Low"; (b ) every other club isn't hoping to profit from their transfers one way or another; and (c ) just announcing it will make it happen.

Maybe after getting lucky for once in the summer, they reckon it's just "Eze Money"? (Sorry)
 

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One thing I've noticed on one of their forums is that they are lauding the fact that the club has now adopted a "Buy Low and Sell High" transfer policy.

As if (a ) any club would set out to "Buy High and Sell Low"; (b ) every other club isn't hoping to profit from their transfers one way or another; and (c ) just announcing it will make it happen.

Maybe after getting lucky for once in the summer, they reckon it's just "Eze Money"? (Sorry)
Looking at their current squad I can't see anyone who people would be interested in for a big money move.
 

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Looking at their current squad I can't see anyone who people would be interested in for a big money move.
They had hopes of getting a few quid for Bright Osaye Samuel, but they've let his contract run down so that he's a free agent in the summer.

Meaning he's able to talk to potential suitors next week, while appearing to have downed tools in the meantime (clear drop in commitment). Only started on the bench on Boxing Day.

All of which is yet more evidence of their incompetence when they do chance upon someone half decent.
 

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They had hopes of getting a few quid for Bright Osaye Samuel, but they've let his contract run down so that he's a free agent in the summer.

Meaning he's able to talk to potential suitors next week, while appearing to have downed tools in the meantime (clear drop in commitment). Only started on the bench on Boxing Day.

All of which is yet more evidence of their incompetence when they do chance upon someone half decent.
Think we all need to refer to posts like this whenever we get frustrated when one of our better players is allowed to leave albeit for a decent fee
 

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Think we all need to refer to posts like this whenever we get frustrated when one of our better players is allowed to leave albeit for a decent fee
I dont think most of us do. Anybody with an onze of sense and understanding just accepts it as our model and speculates in advance how much each player is worth.
 

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I dont think most of us do. Anybody with an onze of sense and understanding just accepts it as our model and speculates in advance how much each player is worth.
Totally agree with you. But I’m sure I’m not the only one that keeps wishing away the last day of the transfer window in the same way as wishing away the last minute of injury time in a game we are leading 1-0 😊
 

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A classic ‘Loft for Words’ this week. He’s accepted that their defence “Les Incompetents” has usually done a deal with the opposition....
Warbs, having refused to change anything all season, then does so (back 3 etc), then blames the players when it tits up.
Clive anticipates white smoke over Loftarse Rd sooner rather than later...
 
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They had hopes of getting a few quid for Bright Osaye Samuel, but they've let his contract run down so that he's a free agent in the summer.

Meaning he's able to talk to potential suitors next week, while appearing to have downed tools in the meantime (clear drop in commitment). Only started on the bench on Boxing Day.

All of which is yet more evidence of their incompetence when they do chance upon someone half decent.
I’m pretty sure it’s Bright that’s let his contract run down, not QPR.
 

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I’m pretty sure it’s Bright that’s let his contract run down, not QPR.
Indeed, but the key difference is we'd have offloaded earlier if there was even a scent of that happening to get maximum value. They haven't a clue!
 

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Indeed, but the key difference is we'd have offloaded earlier if there was even a scent of that happening to get maximum value. They haven't a clue!
Eg selling Sawyers- we could have hung onto him last season instead of taking £3m and reinvesting in one of Norgaard or Jensen.
 

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Draw would've been better tonight I think.....
Soft penalty for Naaaarwich....
Nah ill take it, I want them in the relegation zone and MW out the door in their next few games.
 

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QPR now only 2 points off relegation spots after Wednesday beat Derby. Pressure on!
 

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