Saman Ghoddos - Signs to June 2023 (+1yr option) (13 Viewers)

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I love his honesty in this interview and his explanation behind the weight issues.

That's a cracking interview. He seems really settled now and enjoying himself. I think we'll start to see a lot more from him. Need to get him starting as he's got the ability to make space for himself and others, pick a pass and also score. One of those long rangers are going to go in soon.. He hits them so well..
 

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I really like him,great personality.Would have to be sensationally good to make his mark in this crazy season. Makes Ivans and Vitalys contribution this season even more remarkable but Saman will be a real player for us.
 

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I really like him,great personality.Would have to be sensationally good to make his mark in this crazy season. Makes Ivans and Vitalys contribution this season even more remarkable but Saman will be a real player for us.
Stayed tuned , i have had a sneaky feeling for a while he makes a massive contribution in a massive game !!
 

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I really like him,great personality.Would have to be sensationally good to make his mark in this crazy season. Makes Ivans and Vitalys contribution this season even more remarkable but Saman will be a real player for us.
Funny isn't it, after the first transfer went bang at the last minute, you got the impression he was a bit of a **** but that couldn't be further from the truth...
 

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I agree. A very underwhelming player unfortunately
We're just not getting him in the areas where he can be dangerous though. I think that's partly due to Janelt chasing the ball all over the pitch and Ghoddos having to drop deep and cover when really we need him up close to Toney and in and around the box. He's got the quality to create and score but he needs to be up there to do it, not attempting to take the legs off a striker in our own pen area! We need a rethink in midfield if we're going to have any impact on the rest of the season IMHO..
 

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I’ve seen enough of him , he’s been given enough time

I Don’t Want To See Him In The Match Day Squad Again
 

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He needs time and matches, he has moved to a new country during a pandemic and it's hardly a fair season to judge him given the fact we haven't really trained as we would do during a normal season and he is trying to learn a new position. I will reserve judgement until next season.
 

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He needs time and matches, he has moved to a new country during a pandemic and it's hardly a fair season to judge him given the fact we haven't really trained as we would do during a normal season and he is trying to learn a new position. I will reserve judgement until next season.
Sorry I believe your points have been done to death
He‘s had time
He’s had match time
He’ been here since the start of this season
We are all living with the Pandemic
 

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Sorry I believe your points have been done to death
He‘s had time
He’s had match time
He’ been here since the start of this season
We are all living with the Pandemic
Contributed nowhere near enough again today... Looks an expensive flop at the moment... As said previously doesnt fit in our team.
 

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Contributed nowhere near enough again today... Looks an expensive flop at the moment... As said previously doesnt fit in our team.
His touch map today would probably show all over the pitch, but where was he supposed to be. He popped up on both wings, but I think he is needed central and close to Toney to help him. Toney was also guilty of ‘wandering’ so when he did who was up front, nobody?
 

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He’s not good in enough in any single position .. he’s not a utility player like a James Milner who can play multiple positions well. Ghoddos hasn’t fulfilled the ‘brief’ really wherever he’s played so far.
 

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I hope every time he is selected that he will impress and that has rarely happened unfortunately. Today I had to remind myself he was actually playing .He continues to disappoint !
 

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He’s not good in enough in any single position .. he’s not a utility player like a James Milner who can play multiple positions well. Ghoddos hasn’t fulfilled the ‘brief’ really wherever he’s played so far.
I couldn’t disagree more, he is the best player we have at corners and freekicks. He has a powerful shot which he often hits first time, did you see the 4 goals he scored shown together on Sky today? Very impressive. The one I liked most is our 3rd goal vs Bristol City where the commentator his his “fierce” right footed shot is saved onto the junction of bar and post back to him and he then volleys it in left footed.
 

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I couldn’t disagree more, he is the best player we have at corners and freekicks. He has a powerful shot which he often hits first time, did you see the 4 goals he scored shown together on Sky today? Very impressive. The one I liked most is our 3rd goal vs Bristol City where the commentator his his “fierce” right footed shot is saved onto the junction of bar and post back to him and he then volleys it in left footed.
I would agree we have seen glimpses of his undoubted talent. Maybe he’s played out of his position which is certainly not a central midfielder by the way. The game passes him by. Not a winger and not a striker either and possibly a luxury we cannot afford in our team.
 

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He needs time and matches, he has moved to a new country during a pandemic and it's hardly a fair season to judge him given the fact we haven't really trained as we would do during a normal season and he is trying to learn a new position. I will reserve judgement until next season.
Some sense at last.
 

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At 3 min 7 seconds both Saman and Sergi go for the same ball.
I agree his position isnt easy to fit in our team but when he had a run of a few games he was growing in confidence and making his mark on the game
 
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Saw the match yesterday and I must say, I'm very disappointed that TF hasn't really found a place for Ghoddos to have an impact. He's basically playing the DM role in my eyes (appart from a couple times he's just trying to put pressure) and can't get any forward action. I can understand the frustration here but this has nothing to do with Ghoddos. He is playing out of position and this for me as his countrymen and having seen him play before is just frustrating to see that nothing has changed from Franks point of view.

The team is still getting scored on in the opening minutes of the first half, the team has no definitive plan to play out of pressure other than shooting the ball up top in the hopes of Ivan Tony getting the ball back and keep possession, and no real communication.

There's a huge disconnect in the midfield, the defensive line just cannot connect to the midfield. I mostly saw Ghoddos just fall back so deep to get the ball and distribute to the front line but this is just wrong. This guy has to play up top to be of use and not run back to the defense to get the ball.

IMO Frank has to come up with a new plan. The team has been exploited ever since our first loss after our great winning streak. You can see that even the lower table teams are trying to copy and with success. Frank has to stop being stubborn and decide, or play Saman Ghoddos more towards the front or choose someone who can play the DM role with Defensive attributes.

It's like making someone learn to write with his left hand while in the past 30 years he's been writing with his right!

For me it's obvious when the past goals are mostly scored by the defensive players from the team, there is clearly something wrong in the front of the team.
 

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Saw the match yesterday and I must say, I'm very disappointed that TF hasn't really found a place for Ghoddos to have an impact. He's basically playing the DM role in my eyes (appart from a couple times he's just trying to put pressure) and can't get any forward action. I can understand the frustration here but this has nothing to do with Ghoddos. He is playing out of position and this for me as his countrymen and having seen him play before is just frustrating to see that nothing has changed from Franks point of view.

The team is still getting scored on in the opening minutes of the first half, the team has no definitive plan to play out of pressure other than shooting the ball up top in the hopes of Ivan Tony getting the ball back and keep possession, and no real communication.

There's a huge disconnect in the midfield, the defensive line just cannot connect to the midfield. I mostly saw Ghoddos just fall back so deep to get the ball and distribute to the front line but this is just wrong. This guy has to play up top to be of use and not run back to the defense to get the ball.

IMO Frank has to come up with a new plan. The team has been exploited ever since our first loss after our great winning streak. You can see that even the lower table teams are trying to copy and with success. Frank has to stop being stubborn and decide, or play Saman Ghoddos more towards the front or choose someone who can play the DM role with Defensive attributes.

It's like making someone learn to write with his left hand while in the past 30 years he's been writing with his right!

For me it's obvious when the past goals are mostly scored by the defensive players from the team, there is clearly something wrong in the front of the team.
Cant agree with that.
 

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He’s got a fierce shot and eye for goal. His problem early season was as he said in his recent interview, trying to adjust to the physicality of the league while also inadvertently becoming fatter and less fit. He’s sorted both those out and is obviously leaner and much more physically assertive. He’s also become more mobile and does a lot more work defensively. That needs to be put back together with doing the core job of being in position close to Toney.

I think in the last month or so we’ve just had a general loss of midfield control, possibly because our midfielders have been stretched to cover wide with Canos and Mbeumo not being strong enough defensively and MBS needing protection while learning the ropes at LB. Also trying to play VJ and CN together. The pieces don’t quite fit together at the moment so we see Ivan and Saman far too far back, well away from where they can hurt opponents.
 
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Cant agree with that.
In his current position, what would you like to see him do more? The team is not pressing like they used to press. I saw him on multiple occasions pressing out from the midfield as a lone player while the pressing should of happened on the front and the team collectively press open players from the opposite team. this is one of the things that stood out to me as well. lack of collective pressing, and just the overall awareness of where things are and should be.
 

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In his current position, what would you like to see him do more? The team is not pressing like they used to press. I saw him on multiple occasions pressing out from the midfield as a lone player while the pressing should of happened on the front and the team collectively press open players from the opposite team. this is one of the things that stood out to me as well. lack of collective pressing, and just the overall awareness of where things are and should be.
Link the play, create chances, score a few more, press at the right time.

Hes not playing as a DM, CN and VJ are sitting behind and around him. He should be the more advanced of the 3.

Just not very impressed.
 

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In his current position, what would you like to see him do more? The team is not pressing like they used to press. I saw him on multiple occasions pressing out from the midfield as a lone player while the pressing should of happened on the front and the team collectively press open players from the opposite team. this is one of the things that stood out to me as well. lack of collective pressing, and just the overall awareness of where things are and should be.
Do you honestly think he has played well then. He has said himself that his performances haven't been good enough. I don't want to change our formation and tactics just to fit him into the team. We have much better players in the squad and would rather play to their strengths. All that being said he isn't alone at the moment there is quite a few players not performing to their best at the moment.
 
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Do you honestly think he has played well then. He has said himself that his performances haven't been good enough. I don't want to change our formation and tactics just to fit him into the team. We have much better players in the squad and would rather play to their strengths. All that being said he isn't alone at the moment there is quite a few players not performing to their best at the moment.
At the moment I think he isn't being used correctly, he's playing "ok" not playing in his own position but is rather used as a player to press. The reason that most of the players aren't really "shining" right now in my opinion is that it's just not working. Ivan Tony has his own brilliant skill set and is a player that if given too much time and space will do damage.. but for that, he needs a player that is dangerous in and around the box, close to him.. which at the moment isn't really happening at all. We have Canos which is great on the side cutting back in and shooting, but still, Ivan is singled out and can't do any proper danger. MB same thing has explosive power to burst into space, cut back in, cross, but Ivan is too isolated. Ghoddos is almost always late to the party to make an impact because he's too busy focusing on doing defensive duties rather than offensive duties.

I'm not saying the whole squad should be built around him, no. What I'm trying to get at is that I'm just disappointed not seeing any change after the break and after the last couple of games in which we were getting scored on almost the same exact moments in the game. TF should do something about it. being able to analyze and troubleshoot where the problem lies is something that makes a big difference between great coaches and other coaches.
 

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What did he cost us? I’d say if we could spend the money again this season it wouldn’t be on him
He cost £4 million (possibly Euros)

I posted this before yesterday”s game
I may be wrong but I feel Ghoddos & Fosu must start, we were creating and scoring when they have played from the beginning. In our last 4 games we have scored just 4 goals and 3 of those were penalties.
We have won all 5 games they have started, the only 5 they have started together in the Championship (they did both start v Leicester in the FA Cup)
7-2 v Wycombe
3-2 v Bristol C
4-1 @ Middlesboro
3-0 v Sheff W
2-1 v Stoke
19 goals in 5 games
 

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He cost £4 million (possibly Euros)

I posted this before yesterday”s game
I may be wrong but I feel Ghoddos & Fosu must start, we were creating and scoring when they have played from the beginning. In our last 4 games we have scored just 4 goals and 3 of those were penalties.
We have won all 5 games they have started, the only 5 they have started together in the Championship (they did both start v Leicester in the FA Cup)
7-2 v Wycombe
3-2 v Bristol C
4-1 @ Middlesboro
3-0 v Sheff W
2-1 v Stoke
19 goals in 5 games
I assume Rico and JDS also started these?
 

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I couldn’t disagree more, he is the best player we have at corners and freekicks. He has a powerful shot which he often hits first time, did you see the 4 goals he scored shown together on Sky today? Very impressive. The one I liked most is our 3rd goal vs Bristol City where the commentator his his “fierce” right footed shot is saved onto the junction of bar and post back to him and he then volleys it in left footed.
Thank goodness Hayling, someone singing from the same hymn sheet. Not Saman’s best game yesterday, but he worked his socks off, pressing high up the pitch and tracking back. Very good at breaking up play when he’s in an attacking position, plus the attributes mentioned by Hayling. I sometimes wonder if I’m watching the same game as some fans, albeit the thing I love about football is the different perceptions on player performances . Personally I believe the best is yet to come. Also must mention Marcondes looked very sharp when he came on yesterday. Starting lineup Tuesday ?
 
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Thank goodness Hayling, someone singing from the same hymn sheet. Not Saman’s best game yesterday, but he worked his socks off, pressing high up the pitch and tracking back. Very good at breaking up play when he’s in an attacking position, plus the attributes mentioned by Hayling. I sometimes wonder if I’m watching the same game as some fans, albeit the thing I love about football is the different perceptions on player performances . Personally I believe the best is yet to come. Also must mention Marcondes looked very sharp when he came on yesterday. Starting lineup Tuesday ?
Yes!, I haven't seen Marcondes play a lot but he did look sharp in his passing. no half-assed lazy passing. sharp and crisp, he also seems to be quite agile and quick-footed just like Ghoddos and Fosu.

I'd love to see a line up in the front of Ivan Tony, Ghoddos, Fosu, Marcondes, Jds, Norgaard, and the rest of the defensive line. IMO this would be very good. and bring in Mbeumbo & Canos for Fosu/Marcondes/Ghoddos, would be very good in a 4-2-3-1 formation. quick feet, crisp and fast passing possession play.
 

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I like him but still not sure what his most effective position actually is. My limited tactical knowledge would prefer to see him as one of the front three in an away game where he would occupy a deeper lying role than, say, Sergi, with a brief to get nearer to Toney whenever we are attacking. In games when we are likely to be more on the offensive he could start in the midfield three. Like many here I can see the positives but not the consistency but not sure that is his fault.
 
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Please,please,please can we focus on the positives this season. Vitali and MBS have been great finds. Josh played superbly at the start of the season. Tariq has been a major plus at times. Sergi has done really well in places (Preston pass out of deep defence). And Saman has shown he has some real class, good set piece delivery and brilliant shooting. Only Bryan has lost his shooting boots, and even he has developed a right foot to cross with. The key issue, which others have observed, is the failure to boss midfield and a lack of strategy on how to build from the back (thank you Persian Tactitian, you are absolutely right). If we fix this, we should hopefully fare fine, even if we find ourselves in the playoffs. But there’s a long way to go, and Watford are not really that far ahead (we bested them last time out !).
 

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He cost £4 million (possibly Euros)

I posted this before yesterday”s game
I may be wrong but I feel Ghoddos & Fosu must start, we were creating and scoring when they have played from the beginning. In our last 4 games we have scored just 4 goals and 3 of those were penalties.
We have won all 5 games they have started, the only 5 they have started together in the Championship (they did both start v Leicester in the FA Cup)
7-2 v Wycombe
3-2 v Bristol C
4-1 @ Middlesboro
3-0 v Sheff W
2-1 v Stoke
19 goals in 5 games
24th in the league (bottom)
14th
9th
23rd
11th (second bottom)
 

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Because you would like to see an totally untried B team player in the matchday squad instead of him?
No that’s not what I want. Ghoddos to me has had enough time, chances to prove he’s worth a place. .Yes I think Zamburek is worth some match time . Bidstrup keeps getting picked for the subs bench but we are yet to see what he offers
 

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No that’s not what I want. Ghoddos to me has had enough time, chances to prove he’s worth a place. .Yes I think Zamburek is worth some match time . Bidstrup keeps getting picked for the subs bench but we are yet to see what he offers
Ok, so, assuming the same level of (un)availability for the next couple of matches as there was for last Saturday, who would you replace him with in the matchday squad? There isn’t anyone else other than untried B team players.
 

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Yes!, I haven't seen Marcondes play a lot but he did look sharp in his passing. no half-assed lazy passing. sharp and crisp, he also seems to be quite agile and quick-footed just like Ghoddos and Fosu.

I'd love to see a line up in the front of Ivan Tony, Ghoddos, Fosu, Marcondes, Jds, Norgaard, and the rest of the defensive line. IMO this would be very good. and bring in Mbeumbo & Canos for Fosu/Marcondes/Ghoddos, would be very good in a 4-2-3-1 formation. quick feet, crisp and fast passing possession play.
PT i will give you some praise when it comes to you understanding of our team. You look very much like you are invested and following like any of us would be.
 
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Would like to see him alongside Jensen and Norgaard tomorrow with the instruction to get round and about Toney as much as possible.
 
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PT i will give you some praise when it comes to you understanding of our team. You look very much like you are invested and following like any of us would be.
Thank you @Isleworth_Bee and yes I am, it's natural for me to follow the team where my countrymen are playing in. I get emotionally invested as well as any of you guys. I'd love to see Brentford in the premier league and trust me, Brentford can play in the premier league and fight. It's just that I would like to see more from TF's part. I expected more from his part rather than the players running their lungs out. The first half of the season just showed the team has the quality, but as in the game where we say that the second half is the coach's half... the second part of the season is as much the coaches' half. Ghoddos would most gel in for the next season to show more of himself, especially with everything he's been through before joining Brentford.. but I am also of opinion that he can do the damage if given time in a more attacking position suiting him.. which for now I've seen him mostly play towards the back rather than the front.
 

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Thank you @Isleworth_Bee and yes I am, it's natural for me to follow the team where my countrymen are playing in. I get emotionally invested as well as any of you guys. I'd love to see Brentford in the premier league and trust me, Brentford can play in the premier league and fight. It's just that I would like to see more from TF's part. I expected more from his part rather than the players running their lungs out. The first half of the season just showed the team has the quality, but as in the game where we say that the second half is the coach's half... the second part of the season is as much the coaches' half. Ghoddos would most gel in for the next season to show more of himself, especially with everything he's been through before joining Brentford.. but I am also of opinion that he can do the damage if given time in a more attacking position suiting him.. which for now I've seen him mostly play towards the back rather than the front.
I think thats to do with us sitting deeper this season. I dont think SG is being asked to sit deeper or play a DM position. Its just the position we take up on the pitch, therefore isolating Toney up top.
 

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