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Different times back then. He saw the way Jonathan Douglas was treated by the club and wanted to leave.
What happened with Douglas again?
 

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Not sure about that, considering Gogia was a flop and we ended up playing Swift and Woods out wide for the most part of the 15/16 season
That’s how it turned out that very unexpected season. But not how it was intended and the wide players since, Canos, Said, Jota, Watkins would all have seen their paths blocked to an extent had Dallas established in a wide attacking position. Would Henry have emerged had we been playing Dallas LB?
 

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Wonder what Dallas' market value is these days if he was to move on?
We have so many "live" sell ons, his must be one of the bigger ones given he went for a relatively small fee at the time
 

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Wonder what Dallas' market value is these days if he was to move on?
We have so many "live" sell ons, his must be one of the bigger ones given he went for a relatively small fee at the time
More than Leeds paid but less than they’d accept unless they’d gone mad.
 

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I understood he want5ed to leave because we would not guarantee him a first team place.

His choice and it has worked out okay for him but I do not think anyone should be guaranteed a spot in the team.
There's a difference between eg demanding a guaranteed start every game (no-one gets that) and asking eg whether you're now seen as a first team player, rather than just a squad player.

Since SD isn't/wasn't an obvious troublemaker, I'd guess it wasn't the former? And the way his career has turned out, imo he would have been justified in backing himself for the latter.
 

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The difference is that Raya is our clear number one in his position whereas Dallas never was and probably never would have been other than for injury. Indeed he isn’t even that at Leeds consistently in his time there- he’s prospered by being the ultimate utility player who’s also exceptionally hard working and reliable to do whatever is asked of him by Bielsa. I half expect him to play in goal one day if required and make a decent fist of it.
You sound like his versatility is a bad thing?

Fact is, he is now pretty much a guaranteed starter at LB in a competitive PL team, whilst Bielsa occasionally uses him in other positions as and when tactics or injury demands.

Don't get me wrong, it was a good deal at the time when we sold him. But with hindsight, had we been able to keep him, I reckon he'd be a regular* in this present Bees team.


* - Personally, as much as I like Henrik, I'd start Dallas ahead of him at RB. At which point Ealing Bee dons tin hat and prepares for heavy incoming fire...;)
 

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There's a difference between eg demanding a guaranteed start every game (no-one gets that) and asking eg whether you're now seen as a first team player, rather than just a squad player.

Since SD isn't/wasn't an obvious troublemaker, I'd guess it wasn't the former? And the way his career has turned out, imo he would have been justified in backing himself for the latter.
He was pals with Jonathan Douglas, who was pretty much forced out of the club. I think after that he wanted to leave and was probably not seen as good enough to really be worth potentially disrupting the rest of the dressing room to keep against his will.
 

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You sound like his versatility is a bad thing?

Fact is, he is now pretty much a guaranteed starter at LB in a competitive PL team, whilst Bielsa occasionally uses him in other positions as and when tactics or injury demands.

Don't get me wrong, it was a good deal at the time when we sold him. But with hindsight, had we been able to keep him, I reckon he'd be a regular* in this present Bees team.


* - Personally, as much as I like Henrik, I'd start Dallas ahead of him at RB. At which point Ealing Bee dons tin hat and prepares for heavy incoming fire...;)
It’s a good thing that’s hard to accommodate in a field that favours specialists.

He’s ideal for a Leeds team which attempts a sort of Total Football mentality under Bielsa. Nobody else really does that. Pre-Bielsa he was a good, hard working player in a mediocre team.
Effort and good fortune have given him a great career.
 

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You sound like his versatility is a bad thing?

Fact is, he is now pretty much a guaranteed starter at LB in a competitive PL team, whilst Bielsa occasionally uses him in other positions as and when tactics or injury demands.

Don't get me wrong, it was a good deal at the time when we sold him. But with hindsight, had we been able to keep him, I reckon he'd be a regular* in this present Bees team.


* - Personally, as much as I like Henrik, I'd start Dallas ahead of him at RB. At which point Ealing Bee dons tin hat and prepares for heavy incoming fire...;)
It's not really about if he would have been worth keeping. At the time, the money we got for him allowed us to buy the next player for £1m+ which we could then sell for however many multiples etc. Eventually gets us to the likes of Ollie and Said. Who know how much Ivan will be worth! Dallas was a part of that process.
 

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It’s a good thing that’s hard to accommodate in a field that favours specialists.

He’s ideal for a Leeds team which attempts a sort of Total Football mentality under Bielsa. Nobody else really does that. Pre-Bielsa he was a good, hard working player in a mediocre team.
Effort and good fortune have given him a great career.
It's more than just "effort and good fortune".

Fact is, when Dallas was a teenager he was playing amateur football in the back-end of nowhere, with part-time football with Crusaders next up. So that he was already into his 20's before he got a move to f-t football with Bees.

His progress up the divisions from a loan to Lge 2 Northampton, to the PL with Leeds (plus international football with NI), indicates that he also has genuine talent, but just never got the opportunity to refine it.

Leeds fans certainly rate him eg "Quietly making his claim for player of the year at Leeds...even at this early stage. Outstanding player."
 

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14:30 onwards in this podcast, if you can stand the host.

 

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14:30 onwards in this podcast, if you can stand the host.

I know Dallas upset a few people here with a tweet(?) a while back, but he was nothing but respectful and complimentary about Brentford FC (generally) and the way he was treated at the club (specifically) in that podcast.

Regarding the host(s), I thought the woman was ok, but Akinfenwa was incredibly irritating - like a cross between Ian Wright and Frank Carson.

Which reminds me of the old Spike Milligan joke:
Qn. - What's the difference between Frank Carson and the M1?
Ans. - You can turn off the M1...
 

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I know Dallas upset a few people here with a tweet(?) a while back, but he was nothing but respectful and complimentary about Brentford FC (generally) and the way he was treated at the club (specifically) in that podcast.

Regarding the host(s), I thought the woman was ok, but Akinfenwa was incredibly irritating - like a cross between Ian Wright and Frank Carson.
Akinfenwa is always incredibly irritating
 

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I dont know I quite like the bloke. Full respect to still be playing in the Champ at 38.
I like him too, but on that podcast he kept interrupting the guest and was rather overbearing.
 

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I like him too, but on that podcast he kept interrupting the guest and was rather overbearing.
Hes a lovely bloke, But as a pundit or in any interview hes just too much and quite annoying.
 

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Dallas at Leeds is at a completely different level to when he was with us. Against all expectations, he is one of Bielsa's best boys. Trains hard, plays anywhere, gives everything. Dallas, Luke Ayling and Kalvin Phillips in particular are products of an extraordinary coach. (Add Klich to that too). Before Bielsa showed up few Leeds fans would have been bothered about any of them moving on. Every player that started in that play off semi final to Derby 2 years ago is still there and is still in or around the first team (when fit).
 

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Dallas at Leeds is at a completely different level to when he was with us. Against all expectations, he is one of Bielsa's best boys. Trains hard, plays anywhere, gives everything. Dallas, Luke Ayling and Kalvin Phillips in particular are products of an extraordinary coach. (Add Klich to that too). Before Bielsa showed up few Leeds fans would have been bothered about any of them moving on. Every player that started in that play off semi final to Derby 2 years ago is still there and is still in or around the first team (when fit).
Bielsa has undoubtedly been the making of Dallas but the lad always had a talent and we saw glimpses of it in his time at Griffin Park. One of the few players I'd have back in the current team like a shot.
 

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Always liked and rated SD at GP.

Would still love the chance to ram his "Mind the gap Thomas Frank" song back down his f***ing throat if he comes to LR one day though.......
Agree but I reckon if we coach him well, Tarique Fosu has the potential to do a similar job to SD.
 

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Agree but I reckon if we coach him well, Tarique Fosu has the potential to do a similar job to SD.
I can’t see Fosu ever being as strong as Dallas as don’t see him as a full-back.

Funny that when Warburton played Dallas at LB at Birmingham all those years ago I thought he’d lost his mind but there was obviously something there.
 

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Regarding the host(s), I thought the woman was ok, but Akinfenwa was incredibly irritating - like a cross between Ian Wright and Frank Carson.
Laura Woods is normally pretty good, but Akinfenwa came across as thick, not knowing what joinery was, also very irritating, so much so that I couldn't listen to more than five minutes of it, and turned it off.
 

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As others have said Akinfenwa spoilt the enjoyment somewhat . It would be good if broadcasters had some listeners / viewers votes on presenters. They seem to love a phone in vote on everything else but I presume that listener approval of their choice of mate to employ is not important
 

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Bielsa has undoubtedly been the making of Dallas but the lad always had a talent and we saw glimpses of it in his time at Griffin Park. One of the few players I'd have back in the current team like a shot.
Glimpses , ! Dallas has progressed consistently with us, was a big part in us getting promoted. He was an outstanding player for us
 

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Glimpses , ! Dallas has progressed consistently with us, was a big part in us getting promoted. He was an outstanding player for us
Indeed. Remember his goal v Derby and 2 v Fulham. Was never disappointed to see his name on the team sheet.
 

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Really pleased for him.

Can't remember the exact reasons surrounding his departure, but can remember he got a bit of grief for it.
I wish to remember his goals in the 4-1 win at Fulham and the last minute winner against Derby.
 

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Glimpses , ! Dallas has progressed consistently with us, was a big part in us getting promoted. He was an outstanding player for us
I agree I am a huge Dallas fan and was gutted when he left us. The point I am making is as with any young player we saw evidence of his talent in his time with us but it is now in the zenith of his career that we see the quality and consistency in his performances at the highest level.
 

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Laura Woods is normally pretty good, but Akinfenwa came across as thick, not knowing what joinery was, also very irritating, so much so that I couldn't listen to more than five minutes of it, and turned it off.
Haven’t watched it but joinery is a weird word. Why not just call it carpentry? Is there a meaningful distinction?
 

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Really pleased for him.

Can't remember the exact reasons surrounding his departure, but can remember he got a bit of grief for it.
I wish to remember his goals in the 4-1 win at Fulham and the last minute winner against Derby.
The last minute goal against Derby was the one that made the statement WE BELONG IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP
 

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Try google.
Basically no real difference as the terms are used differently in different parts of the country?

“Throughout the UK they seem to be referred to differently depending on location. For example, the South of England seem to use the term carpenter whereas the North of England tend to use the term joiner.”


Thanks ‘nana
 

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“Throughout the UK they seem to be referred to differently depending on location. For example, the South of England seem to use the term carpenter whereas the North of England tend to use the term joiner.”
My grandfather was a ship's carpenter, equivalent to an engineer but when ships were made of wood; his father was a joiner, variously described as joiner and cabinetmaker and joiner and coffin-maker during epidemics... he built a substantial business!

Completely off-topic, of course.
 

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Stuart Dallas is a good guy. Served Brentford well for a few years. First Brentford player to be capped for the Green and White Army! Northern Ireland.
The mind the Gap Thomas Frank was all a bit of excitable bubbles filled banter when they won the Championship last year !
would be glad to see him back in red & white stripes!!
 
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Stuart Dallas is a good guy. Served Brentford well for a few years. First Brentford player to be capped for the Green and White Army! Northern Ireland.
The mind the Gap Thomas Frank was all a bit of excitable bubbles filled banter when they won the Championship last year !
would be glad to see him back in red & white stripes!!
According to Wikipedia Jimmy D'Arcy was the first Bees player to be capped for NI in the 1950s.
 
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Stuart Dallas is a good guy. Served Brentford well for a few years. First Brentford player to be capped for the Green and White Army! Northern Ireland.
The mind the Gap Thomas Frank was all a bit of excitable bubbles filled banter when they won the Championship last year !
would be glad to see him back in red & white stripes!!
There was a piece on the BBC website last week stating Barraclough is considering using him in central midfield for the upcoming internationals.
Impressed by his consistency in the PL for Weeds this season.
 

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Stat partly courtesy of Guardian Football weekly

The last time any team won a match in London featuring Stuart Dallas in the side from the start, was Fulham 1 Brentford 4, 3rd April 2015.
If he, and Leeds, were going to end that record anywhere, at least it was back at the Cottage :sorted:
 

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There's an article on SD on the BBC website which has a couple of interesting snippets for Bees fans:


Stuart Dallas had been involved in many of Stephen Uprichard's training sessions at Coagh United, but this one was different.

The then 21-year-old was just a few months into his first contract in professional football with Brentford, a League One side at the time, but was back in his native Cookstown for a short break.

Given the relentless fitness levels the Northern Ireland international is displaying in the Premier League with Leeds United, it is perhaps not surprising that he was determined not to lose his edge while at home.

And so he reported for training with Coagh, the junior club with whom he cut his teeth in men's football across three seasons after making his debut for them as a 16-year-old in 2007.

"He came down to training one night and asked if we minded if he joined in as he had his own fitness programme to do," recalled Uprichard, who was joint manager with Noel Mitchell during Dallas' time at the amateur club.

"That was fine, of course, but then he came to me and asked if he could take part in our match at the end of the session. I said 'are you having a laugh? You're a professional footballer'.

"But he was adamant he could look after himself and that the boys wouldn't kick him. I probably shouldn't be admitting this, but he did join in and the lads loved it."


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"... his fitness levels were phenomenal. Not long after he went to Brentford he told us they couldn't believe that he had come from part-time football."
The making of Stuart Dallas
 

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