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Watched the first series of Sunderland Til I Die yesterday which was quite an insight into the mess they got themselves into ahead of demotion from Prem to Div 1 in 2 seasons.

Have only watched first episode of series 2 so please don't spoil it for me.

However, I have to say that first episode reminded me a bit of Ricky Gervais' The Office. Looking forward to rest of it later tonight on Netflix.

Sunderland Owners - https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/spo...news/who-owns-sunderland-afc-methven-17699085

The Show - https://www.netflix.com/gb/title/80207046
 

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If ever a club had a sense of entitlement.... your right the January transfer window was mind boggling
 

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However, I have to say that first episode reminded me a bit of Ricky Gervais' The Office. Looking forward to rest of it later tonight on Netflix.
The owner's voice sounds a lot like Ricky Gervais - a bit unfortunate for him but it is not surprising people make the comparison, especially when he's trying add a Balearic soundtrack to life in league 1 in the first episode. As others have said the transfer window episode was insane.
 

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Yep. Was a cracking watch and saw me through the early part of lockdown. On the subjects of Netflix and Ricky Gervais. Checkout After Lives. Very dark, very intense, very thought provoking and in parts absolutely hilarious. Titty rice pudding and vaginal yeast just for starters😂. BTW I’m generally not a Gervais fan.
 

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Yep. Was a cracking watch and saw me through the early part of lockdown. On the subjects of Netflix and Ricky Gervais. Checkout After Lives. Very dark, very intense, very thought provoking and in parts absolutely hilarious. Titty rice pudding and vaginal yeast just for starters��. BTW I’m generally not a Gervais fan.
Derek is good too
 

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A shame they didn't continue the series, as their demise this season would still be entertaining
 

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Yep. Was a cracking watch and saw me through the early part of lockdown. On the subjects of Netflix and Ricky Gervais. Checkout After Lives. Very dark, very intense, very thought provoking and in parts absolutely hilarious. Titty rice pudding and vaginal yeast just for starters��. BTW I’m generally not a Gervais fan.
The "Mrs Meldew" scene in old peoples home is comedy gold
 

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Same here, the more I watch the more I appreciate what we have. That Charlie Big Potatoes really winds me up though.
Was he the **** from Havant that MA doesn't like?
 

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They mean well, they're just slightly...dim. Better than the people they had before though.

Season 2 of Sunderland was good...but I felt skimmed things a bit. There was less focus on the football but that would mean it would jump between points of the season more so would be a little more disjointed. It would show a win and you thought things were going well, but it didn't mention the 3 draws they'd had before sort of thing.
 

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With both series I feel that there is something massively concerning about the whole operation no matter who is in charge.
Perhaps influenced by what we know about Brentford of course, but there’s a giant “planning hole” in the thinking, let’s just buy a striker and hope for the best, the old fashioned number 9 will sort out all our worries
 

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Tried watching the Leeds doc on Amazon.... wasn’t in the same league as the Sunderland one and I got bored after the first episode and ended up fast forwarding to the bits with Brentford in it.
 

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Tried watching the Leeds doc on Amazon.... wasn’t in the same league as the Sunderland one and I got bored after the first episode and ended up fast forwarding to the bits with Brentford in it.
Agreed - felt too much like a 'puff piece'. Worth watching the last few episodes where the wheels come off, though. Comedy gold...
 

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I think the Sunderland one is interesting because the team were struggling, I don't want to watch one sucking up to how good a team is, which I assume the Leeds one was, and definitely how the Man City one would have been. Tottenham's will be weird this year...tonally it would probably be all over the place.
 

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watching series one now...
The brentford game... why do they cut to show scenes of the managers reaction at Hulls Kcom stadium and not GP?
 

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Tried watching the Leeds doc on Amazon.... wasn’t in the same league as the Sunderland one and I got bored after the first episode and ended up fast forwarding to the bits with Brentford in it.
The Leeds one is sh*t. Chiefly because it's an in-house production.
 

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watching series one now...
The brentford game... why do they cut to show scenes of the managers reaction at Hulls Kcom stadium and not GP?
That has been mentioned before.

Shocking editting.
 

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A shame they didn't continue the series, as their demise this season would still be entertaining
Has it been said that there's no third series? If so , that's a shame!
 

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Just finished second series. Good watch. Almost felt sorry for them in the end apart from hooray Henry!! Love the way he said we will win the league next year!! Deluded!!!
 
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Just finished second series. Good watch. Almost felt sorry for them in the end apart from hooray Henry!! Love the way he said we will win the league next year!! Deluded!!!
I think he left the club at the end of series 2
 

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watching series one now...
The brentford game... why do they cut to show scenes of the managers reaction at Hulls Kcom stadium and not GP?
That has been mentioned before.

Shocking editting.
Just been watching it. My guess is that for some reason they didn't have any footage of Grayson at Griffin Park to use. It's very jarring, but perhaps less so if you're not a Brentford fan?
 

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Just been watching it. My guess is that for some reason they didn't have any footage of Grayson at Griffin Park to use. It's very jarring, but perhaps less so if you're not a Brentford fan?
IIRC they use scenes of their fans at GP throughout, same with the Leeds one at Amazon. I expect proper football fans only would spot things like that but you have to expect that's the target audience
 

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Never had much of an opinion of Simon Grayson, but at least I thought he was a bit of an inspiring hard man, if not a brilliant tactician. Turns out he's neither. On the other hand, Chris Coleman went right up in my estimation, the series did his job prospects no harm I would have thought. Agree that the whole thing made me thank God we have the owner and set-up that we do.
 

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You wonder how Simon Grayson did at his interview for the job in the first place. I can't imagine him ever working again after this series, but there's no shortage of mugs in football.
 

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You wonder how Simon Grayson did at his interview for the job in the first place. I can't imagine him ever working again after this series, but there's no shortage of mugs in football.
He got a job after the series as Blackpool manager, which didn't go well either.

I also felt that the CEO in series 1 was so depressing that it conveyed around the rest of the staff. I know times were bad, but you have to try and act a little more upbeat.,
 

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I thought the series was guilty of building up a few things that were really quite unimportant.

So you had the Josh Maja saga and paint pot run- fine.

But then you had the "drama" of whether they'd sell a record number of tickets for a league one game on boxing day - you could be forgiven for thinking that was going to really help them get promoted. And the director was angry that they hadn't sold loads of extra tickets for their massive stadium 2 or 3 weeks in advance of the game - why??? This is now how football fans are used to behaving. They should have put some of that energy in to wondering how to sell more season tickets to the people who haven't been for years.
 

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When I saw this thread was at the top of the forum I thought it would be about this https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/spo...s/sunderland-not-offer-refunds-games-18355262

Sunderland are saying they will give no refunds for games played behind closed doors, this season and next, you can have a streaming pass for home games (not away games) and that's it. So if you'd bought 20/21 season tickets for a family of 4 you've actually paid £800-£1,000 to stream 23 games to your TV.
 

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I was surprised as they are such great fans that they struggled to sell out for the play off semi final...
 

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think that was their lowest crowd of season
I had to look this up to check you weren't pulling our legs - I'll never doubt you again.
They got 26k for that game which was lower than any league crowd - I didn't remember this being mentioned. I think it was a Saturday night game with a week's notice - tougher to fill the empty seats with school kids for that sort of game.
 
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I had to look this up to check you weren't pulling our legs - I'll never doubt you again.
They got 26k for that game which was lower than any league crowd - I didn't remember this being mentioned. I think it was a Saturday night game with a week's notice - tougher to fill the empty seats with school kids for that sort of game.
Is Saturday night curfew night in Sunderland :scratch:
 

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But Saturday night isn’t a school night....I was dragged all over the country on Saturdays to places like Grimsby and Chesterfield following the Bees 😀

I think the episode inferred that the fans expected free or very cheap tickets, for some reason? For going all season or it’s a poor area or something
 

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But Saturday night isn’t a school night....I was dragged all over the country on Saturdays to places like Grimsby and Chesterfield following the Bees 😀

I think the episode inferred that the fans expected free or very cheap tickets, for some reason? For going all season or it’s a poor area or something
Well as a season ticket holder it’s arguable that they should get (heavily) discounted tickets. Actually makes commercial sense too as the bigger the size of support more likely to help team to get to wembley and then promotion. A season ticket holder would also figure if they won play off semis would have to spend significant for wembley tickets and travel to and from wembley. So....save money by not buying a Ticket for semi, watch on tv and then if get through buy wembley tickets. If lose semi at least wasn’t there either!
 

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I can understand why people buy into Sunderland or want to manage it as it has so much potential, history etc. However everyone who gets involved with it over a number of years now seem to get their fingers burnt. It has been dreadfully managed and the amount of money that has been wasted is criminal.

Looks like they will be entering their third season in the third tier and I think still have some players on Premiership wages which will not help them.
 
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When I saw this thread was at the top of the forum I thought it would be about this https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/spo...s/sunderland-not-offer-refunds-games-18355262

Sunderland are saying they will give no refunds for games played behind closed doors, this season and next, you can have a streaming pass for home games (not away games) and that's it. So if you'd bought 20/21 season tickets for a family of 4 you've actually paid £800-£1,000 to stream 23 games to your TV.

Sunderland will now refund season tickets.
 

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Looks like the current owner (as featured in the 2nd series of the documentary) has found a buyer.

A mere 22 years old, but his background suggests he might just be able to make a go of it...

 

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A mere 22 years old, but his background suggests he might just be able to make a go of it...

That was about the age of the lad Spencer (?) who was supposedly buying Aldershot all those years ago.


That ended in tears!!
 

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Personally I would be very worried if a rich 22 year old became Chairman/ owner of our club. But then again this is Sunderland so maybe not that off the scale.
 

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That was about the age of the lad Spencer (?) who was supposedly buying Aldershot all those years ago.


That ended in tears!!
The difference being that this bloke actually has the money, as his family are experienced football club owners.

I had the misfortune to be sat behind Spencer at Hampton’s last playoff final and had to listen to his self obsessed bullshit for most of the game.
If I had ruined a football club I would be ashamed to ever set foot in another one.
He changed his name to Spencer Day and is now in charge of Farnborough.
 

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Sunderland seem to lurch from one ownership disaster to the next and I imagine this will be just the same
 

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