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Yet nobody will ever convince me that he is a better player than either Canos or Mbeumo. He just isn't.
At their best, you are 100% correct. But it’s fairly obvious that both players are desperately out of form and I’d hazard a guess that’s unlikely to change in the short term.
We’ve scored two goals from open play in the last six games.... something needs to change, and if that means starting with Tarique then it’s at least worth a try.
Otherwise, the club have wasted his time and their money completely.
 

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I'm just amazed that anyone thinks Fosu is the answer to any of the problems we currently have. Statistically, his individual performances are way behind the first-choice players and I can't say I've noticed anything when he's come one recently that makes me think he contributes conspicuously, other than fresh legs.

The cut-and-paste response that he'd contribute more if he played the whole game does not, to me, seem based on any evidence.

The cut-and-paste response about winning games when he starts only make him a candidate for mascot. What has been his actual contribution in those games? Perhaps the games he's started in are against the weakest opposition to give the others a break... I'm sure someone will dig out a statistical hypothesis. Two of his goals came as a sub, only against Wycombe did he start.

To me, he's a valuable squad utility player, he's not a game-changer and our issues at the moment are about team playing and not having game-changers.
 

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he can beat a player, he can break the line, he's got great balance and is very mobile. He put in a couple of motm performances before he was dropped. I thought we looked more positive in an attacking sense when he came on at the usual 78th minute.
 

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he can beat a player, he can break the line, he's got great balance and is very mobile. He put in a couple of motm performances before he was dropped. I thought we looked more positive in an attacking sense when he came on at the usual 78th minute.
Watched a different game to me then, because can't think of a single chance created in that last 15 minutes, with Fosu tucked inside and running into cul de sacs
 

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I'm just amazed that anyone thinks Fosu is the answer to any of the problems we currently have. Statistically, his individual performances are way behind the first-choice players and I can't say I've noticed anything when he's come one recently that makes me think he contributes conspicuously, other than fresh legs.

The cut-and-paste response that he'd contribute more if he played the whole game does not, to me, seem based on any evidence.

The cut-and-paste response about winning games when he starts only make him a candidate for mascot. What has been his actual contribution in those games? Perhaps the games he's started in are against the weakest opposition to give the others a break... I'm sure someone will dig out a statistical hypothesis. Two of his goals came as a sub, only against Wycombe did he start.

To me, he's a valuable squad utility player, he's not a game-changer and our issues at the moment are about team playing and not having game-changers.
A distance relative is a Charlton Season Ticket holder. When I contacted him about Fosu , he said he’s a player who can be good but more often than not he’s very mediocre. So to me there’s little difference in his comments
 

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Personally I cannot see that anyone would think he is better than either Sergi or Brian

That having been said I do recall discussions when our CF have been having a dire time that the statistical analysis is whether we produce more when they are playing, in this case the answer is yes. Now how to fit him in and play the other 2 remains a conundrum which is beyond my expertise but there is certainly some justification for playing him.
 

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he can beat a player, he can break the line, he's got great balance and is very mobile. He put in a couple of motm performances before he was dropped. I thought we looked more positive in an attacking sense when he came on at the usual 78th minute.
and i'm not saying he's "better than the other two", I'm just saying he could merit more minutes than he's getting at present.
 

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How many of the games Fosu started were ones in which Mbeumo and/or Canos started? How many were ones where Henry and/or Dalsgaard started? The stats going “wow we won 12 of 13 he started” are meaningless unless you can sift out the other factors to demonstrate his starting was not mere coincidence. It’s different to using that metric for looking at goals scored when a striker is on because the impact of a LW is much more diffuse (and Fosu has played in different positions). Even that is a measure to be handled sensitively- it’d be too easy to conclude eg in games Toney scored no non-penalty goals we would have done the same if Forss had played: there needs to be a consideration of what he actually did bar scoring in those games, ditto, what is it you’re saying Fosu does when not assisting or scoring that is so much better?

It is stuff the club will undoubtedly be aware of at a sophisticated level. Remember they’re the ones who got the concept of Sparv as no-stat all star at FCM. If they could see the same in Fosu he’d be first on the teamsheet and playing in a consistent manner. But he’s not and apart from giving greater energy and directness at times, doesn’t really have a “yes, that’s what Tariqe does” signature going through all his games.
 

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Classic “footballer appears better without playing” vibes on this thread.
Zamburek getting the same treatment.

Another thing about the “we won 12 of the 13 games he started”- maybe this shows Frank to be a very good judge of which games Fosu would contribute to best!
 

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I'm just amazed that anyone thinks Fosu is the answer to any of the problems we currently have. Statistically, his individual performances are way behind the first-choice players and I can't say I've noticed anything when he's come one recently that makes me think he contributes conspicuously, other than fresh legs.

The cut-and-paste response that he'd contribute more if he played the whole game does not, to me, seem based on any evidence.

The cut-and-paste response about winning games when he starts only make him a candidate for mascot. What has been his actual contribution in those games? Perhaps the games he's started in are against the weakest opposition to give the others a break... I'm sure someone will dig out a statistical hypothesis. Two of his goals came as a sub, only against Wycombe did he start.

To me, he's a valuable squad utility player, he's not a game-changer and our issues at the moment are about team playing and not having game-changers.
I don’t understand the rationale for not starting him. I don’t think anyone - certainly not me - is saying he’s world class. But:
1.the team is struggling at the moment, probably a combination of fatigue, lack of confidence and injuries.
2.fosu is a good,versatile player who can step in to two three positions where we are struggling very badly right now.
3.he is surely fresher than most and whatever you feel might be the reasons for the team’s success rate when he starts, he is not scarred by losing, you’d imagine he would be confident and we need some of that right now.
4.having done pretty well and contributed to ou last three wins as a starter, he hasn’t been picked since. To pick holes with his performances when given ten mins as a sub as one of a series of too-late changes made byTF is unfair. By that time our shape is totally gone and it’s not easy to change the game in those situations, though he is one of the few to have done so this season (eg Swansea, muff).


A few weeks ago it seemed that TF had moved to rotating the wide players, to keep them fresh, which seemed to me a good plan. He now seems to have settled on two, and I don’t really understand why. I can only think he’s either not fully fit or he’s out of favour for some reason we’re not aware of. We all want Brentford to do well, I’m not saying Tarique is the holy grail, he isn’t, and yes we can all see the teams problems go deeper than one changed selection, but this is a change that
 

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I don’t understand the rationale for not starting him. I don’t think anyone - certainly not me - is saying he’s world class. But:
1.the team is struggling at the moment, probably a combination of fatigue, lack of confidence and injuries.
2.fosu is a good,versatile player who can step in to two three positions where we are struggling very badly right now.
3.he is surely fresher than most and whatever you feel might be the reasons for the team’s success rate when he starts, he is not scarred by losing, you’d imagine he would be confident and we need some of that right now.
4.having done pretty well and contributed to ou last three wins as a starter, he hasn’t been picked since. To pick holes with his performances when given ten mins as a sub as one of a series of too-late changes made byTF is unfair. By that time our shape is totally gone and it’s not easy to change the game in those situations, though he is one of the few to have done so this season (eg Swansea, muff).


A few weeks ago it seemed that TF had moved to rotating the wide players, to keep them fresh, which seemed to me a good plan. He now seems to have settled on two, and I don’t really understand why. I can only think he’s either not fully fit or he’s out of favour for some reason we’re not aware of. We all want Brentford to do well, I’m not saying Tarique is the holy grail, he isn’t, and yes we can all see the teams problems go deeper than one changed selection, but this is a change that
...is merited and worth a try. We are running out of games!COYB
 

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He’s not better than Canos or Bryan, that’s clear, but I agree that he seems to have a better working relationship with Toney than Bryan at the moment... so I would give him a go v PNE. But honestly, wouldn’t be too shocked if he moved on in the summer
 

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Really struggling with this "Canos and Bryan are far better" line, which has massive "Bentley is by far the better keeper" vibes about it 🤷‍♂️

Have Canos and Bryan's performances this season been that much better than Fosu's? I couldn't honestly say with any confidence... and I'm actually pretty surprised that for some posters it appears to be a settled argument.

I want Canos and Bryan to succeed, but the decision to give them both so much game time... well, it has been baffling at times.
 

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Really struggling with this "Canos and Bryan are far better" line, which has massive "Bentley is by far the better keeper" vibes about it 🤷‍♂️

Have Canos and Bryan's performances this season been that much better than Fosu's? I couldn't honestly say with any confidence... and I'm actually pretty surprised that for some posters it appears to be a settled argument.

I want Canos and Bryan to succeed, but the decision to give them both so much game time... well, it has been baffling at times.
By any statistical measure, they are significantly ahead. Sergi has the lead on goals, Bryan on assists, they are quite similar in WhoScored's overall rating this season, 6.88 & 6.86, with Josh between them. Tarique is 6.52, 10 places below. That doesn't means Sergi or Bryan are world-beaters, Ivan is 7.41, Buendia is 7.83.
 

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By any statistical measure, they are significantly ahead. Sergi has the lead on goals, Bryan on assists, they are quite similar in WhoScored's overall rating this season, 6.88 & 6.86, with Josh between them. Tarique is 6.52, 10 places below. That doesn't means Sergi or Bryan are world-beaters, Ivan is 7.41, Buendia is 7.83.
Bryan and Argo both ahead of Rico and vitaly on who scored, so I wouldn’t would take that with a massive pinch of salt. Very difficult to get decent scores when most of your appearances last 10-15 mins
 

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By any statistical measure, they are significantly ahead. Sergi has the lead on goals, Bryan on assists, they are quite similar in WhoScored's overall rating this season, 6.88 & 6.86, with Josh between them. Tarique is 6.52, 10 places below. That doesn't means Sergi or Bryan are world-beaters, Ivan is 7.41, Buendia is 7.83.
If you compare like with like using Whoscored and games started FWR & FWL
Fosu FWR 6 games, 1 goal, 2 assists, av rating 7.02
Fosu FWL 5 games, 0 goals, 0 assists av rating 6.74

Mbuemo FWR 28 games, 3 goals, 7 assists, av rating 6.90
Mbuemo FWL 3 games, 0 goal, 1 assist, av rating 6.96

Canos FWL 25 games, 6 goals, 3 assists, av rating 7.11
Canos FWR 3 games, 1 goal, 0 assists, av rating 7.1

Conclusion:-
Fosu is better on the right. Both Canos & Mbuemo can play equally well on either flank.
Starting Fosu on the right instead of Mbuemo is a possibility
All based on Whoscored ratings of course

NB: Substitute ratings were ignored for these statistics
 

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whilst I don’t think he particularly brings anything extra to the party I am slightly surprised we haven’t rotated the wingers more rec. Maybe he’s got a knock and isn’t up to a start? He’s not exactly set the world alight when he’s come on recently..
 

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By any statistical measure, they are significantly ahead.
What about the "when they start, we win" statistic? 😛

I'm obviously being disingenuous, but there's more stats a player is rated on than just goals and assists.

Glaring misses would be one such stat. I'd wager Bryan and Canos are more than "significantly ahead" of Fosu on that one.
 

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By any statistical measure, they are significantly ahead. Sergi has the lead on goals, Bryan on assists, they are quite similar in WhoScored's overall rating this season, 6.88 & 6.86, with Josh between them. Tarique is 6.52, 10 places below. That doesn't means Sergi or Bryan are world-beaters, Ivan is 7.41, Buendia is 7.83.
Given the game time, I'd be (even more) worried if they weren't.
Are they as far ahead in terms of min/G or min/A?
 

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Watched a different game to me then, because can't think of a single chance created in that last 15 minutes, with Fosu tucked inside and running into cul de sacs
I'm not talking specifically about the last game either. when you come on at 78 minutes in a team that are passing backwards or smashing it long most of the time, it's tough to have that much of an impact. however, I thought both he and Marcondes tried to pass the ball forward into positive areas. We looked brighter in the last 12 minutes - that doesn't mean we looked like scoring/winning, just better than the previous 12 minutes.
 

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whilst I don’t think he particularly brings anything extra to the party I am slightly surprised we haven’t rotated the wingers more rec. Maybe he’s got a knock and isn’t up to a start? He’s not exactly set the world alight when he’s come on recently..
Maybe, with hindsight, Mbeumo could have been rehabilitated back into the team more slowly with, I agree, more rotation of the wingers. He has clearly been below par, for whatever reason, since his return from 'illness.' Obviously we'll never know, but some rotation with Fosu between now and the playoffs might be worthwhile.
 

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Tariqe is a great squad player. I like him & personally prefer him starting over Canos who is better as a impact sub imho
 

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I think Canos is a liability. Much rather see Fosu starting who I’ve never seen put a foot wrong really
The stats are clear, when Fosu start we usually win more games than not. I however, don't think Canos or Bryan have been the problem recently although both missed glorious chances its more our midfield selection.
 

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I think Canos is a liability. Much rather see Fosu starting who I’ve never seen put a foot wrong really
Remarkable. Perhaps he should have put away that chance against Brum but hardly a liability!
 

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The stats are clear, when Fosu start we usually win more games than not. I however, don't think Canos or Bryan have been the problem recently although both missed glorious chances its more our midfield selection.
Our midfield has been lacking yes I agree. My one and only point here tho is I’d rather Fosu starting over Canos... He plays like a headless chicken & is a liability. Fosu has always impressed me when I’ve watched him play.
 

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Our midfield has been lacking yes I agree. My one and only point here tho is I’d rather Fosu starting over Canos... He plays like a headless chicken & is a liability. Fosu has always impressed me when I’ve watched him play.
I am not disagreeing with you in the sense that I would like Fosu to start. But take away Canos miss on Tuesday, I thought he played well. So disagree he is a headless chicken and a liability.
 

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I am not disagreeing with you in the sense that I would like Fosu to start. But take away Canos miss on Tuesday, I thought he played well. So disagree he is a headless chicken and a liability.
Your taking in account 1 game here? Look I’m not against Canos at all he’s passionate for example I like it (feel that’s what he mainly lives off) But I do feel he’s a liability a lot of the time his decision making lacks. Not saying he’s a bad player but he should be a impact sub imho.
 

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Your taking in account 1 game here? Look I’m not against Canos at all he’s passionate for example I like it (feel that’s what he mainly lives off) But I do feel he’s a liability a lot of the time his decision making lacks. Not saying he’s a bad player but he should be a impact sub imho.
All about opinions. I agree in part his decision making can be better. I am not saying I am right or you are wrong. Let’s hope for three points tomorrow.
 

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All about opinions. I agree in part his decision making can be better. I am not saying I am right or you are wrong. Let’s hope for three points tomorrow.
You do things right, we share opinions no problem. Other people are delusional and want to sugar coat everything. Yes let’s hope for 3 points tomorrow
 

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Canos plays like a headless chicken & is a liability.
I think Canos is a liability.
Canos is same old sh*t
I think that we all appreciate that Sergi tends to be rather inconsistent but the above comments are certainly not borne out by the MOM polls on here since they restarted back in December. Including the last 2 games (for which the polls have not yet closed, although most people who are going to vote have probably already done so), Sergi is in 1st place.

Whilst I appreciate that only a fairly small portion of fans vote in the MOM polls, they can't surely all be wrong, can they? (Now there's a leading question....especially for the GPG! :))
 

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By any statistical measure, they are significantly ahead. Sergi has the lead on goals, Bryan on assists, they are quite similar in WhoScored's overall rating this season, 6.88 & 6.86, with Josh between them. Tarique is 6.52, 10 places below. That doesn't means Sergi or Bryan are world-beaters, Ivan is 7.41, Buendia is 7.83.
Maybe revised your opinion regarding Fosu?
 

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under rated player imo, may not quite have the ceiling of canos or mbeumo but you know what you get with him, hard working , solid and efficient at what he does
 

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