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Pretty much picks itself again but a few fresh legs will do us the world of good..

Raya. Dalsgaard, Pinnock, Sorenson, Henry, Janelt, Jensen, DaSilva, Canos, Toney, Mbeumo.

Subs: Daniels, Roerslev, Goode(??), Ghoddos, Forss, Fosu, Zamburek, Gilbert, Pressley

If Goode is injured then prob Stevens to join the bench.
 

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Pretty much picks itself again but a few fresh legs will do us the world of good..

Raya. Dalsgaard, Pinnock, Sorenson, Henry, Janelt, Jensen, DaSilva, Canos, Toney, Mbeumo.

Subs: Daniels, Roerslev, Goode(??), Ghoddos, Forss, Fosu, Zamburek, Gilbert, Pressley

If Goode is injured then prob Stevens to join the bench.
It's the clear choice. Hopefully Canos is OK and Mbeumo was just given the day off, rather than having any sort of knock.
 

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Janelt, Ghoddos, DaSilva,
Fosu, Toney, Mbeumo

We need to keep this tight early on and for that reason would favour Ghoddos and Fosu to start as think both will make us more solid.

Bring Jensen and Canos on around 60-70 minutes.
 

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I think you’ve got it spot on although I wouldn’t be against Ghoddos for Jensen as Jensen has been really poor of late
he had an average half against Luton ( and still nearly scored a claasic ), not poor at all.
outstanding against afcb and played well when he came on yesterday
 

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I think you’ve got it spot on although I wouldn’t be against Ghoddos for Jensen as Jensen has been really poor of late
No chance. There was a reason Jensen didn’t start yesterday. He plays and he had a stormer against Swansea at home in the play offs. A midfield of the three J’s works for me.
 

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he had an average half against Luton ( and still nearly scored a claasic ), not poor at all.
outstanding against afcb and played well when he came on yesterday
I actually thought he played pretty well against Luton. He was the link-up man in all our attacks and, in the second half when out midfield, as a whole, lost it's grip on the game, I felt he was the only one who was still trying to make things tick and seemed to be the one who was always available, when we tried to mount attacks.
 

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I doubt the coaching staff, unlike some fans, keep a player fault list and use it as the basis of team selection...
Are you trying to tell me the coaching staff take no notice of mistakes, so if a player has made 10 bad passes and 1 good
one they say he has had a good game, crazy, bad passes have to be taken in consideration to assess performance
 
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Hard to choose Ghoddos at fault for 2nd goal, yesterday, Jensen third.
Fosu for the second, Daniels pretty culpable for the third. DaSilva was at fault for Spurs' second goal, we could go on but then we wouldn't have any players left! :)
 

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I actually thought he played pretty well against Luton. He was the link-up man in all our attacks and, in the second half when out midfield, as a whole, lost it's grip on the game, I felt he was the only one who was still trying to make things tick and seemed to be the one who was always available, when we tried to mount attacks.
i agree , just saying a very good first half and a not so good second , isn't " very poor " as the poster said :sorted:
 

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Being under pressure and losing the ball in a tackle where we could have been given a free kick is one thing, sloppy inaccurate passes to the opposition leading to goals is a bigger problem in my eyes. Trying to thread the eye of a needle (10% chance of success) pass shouldnt be what we are trying in midfield. Jensen needs to learn quickly
 

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Are you trying to tell me the coaching staff take no notice of mistakes, so if a player has made 10 bad passes and 1 good
one they say he has had a good game, crazy, bad passes have to be taken in consideration to assess performance
Every single player makes many mistakes in games and the coaching staff will have analysed those, with the positives, with the player before the training for the next game starts. I would think the focus is on what a player's potential contribution to the style of play and tactics in a game being planned is the major consideration. That should emerge in training for that game.
 

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Being under pressure and losing the ball in a tackle where we could have been given a free kick is one thing, sloppy inaccurate passes to the opposition leading to goals is a bigger problem in my eyes. Trying to thread the eye of a needle (10% chance of success) pass shouldnt be what we are trying in midfield. Jensen needs to learn quickly
I’m sure the detailed feedback and training includes analysing and improving accuracy and avoidable errors. But on your last point I think you’re 180 degrees out. We don’t play that safety first way. If we did, Said would have been told to cut out most of the things we loved about him- he had one of the worst sets of stats in the team for passing accuracy and ball retention. Ditto the complaints about Romaine’s ineffectual flicks to nowhere. Instead we encourage the players to try the more difficult stuff but to improve their decision-making and their skill to bring it off more and to have the vision and understanding between them to make things come off (a neat through ball is a ball to nowhere if your team mates don’t already work their movement to be where you’ll put it).

An alternative would be to go the Moyes route, or be like Karanka at Boro, but it completely kills creativity - if you never attempt much more risky than 50/50 you have to have a very good group of consistent players better than the level of your opponents to do anything. Boro had this in the Championship and then in the PL could barely get in the opposition third so even with a still pretty mean defence were stuffed.

We deliberately take more risks and encourage our players to do the difficult things. Overall it works and makes us good to watch too. It is a balance and evolves (remember how everyone was moaning about not playing the free flowing football of last season?) but cutting out the errors is not about cutting out the extravagant and difficult.
 

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I’m sure the detailed feedback and training includes analysing and improving accuracy and avoidable errors. But on your last point I think you’re 180 degrees out. We don’t play that safety first way. If we did, Said would have been told to cut out most of the things we loved about him- he had one of the worst sets of stats in the team for passing accuracy and ball retention. Ditto the complaints about Romaine’s ineffectual flicks to nowhere. Instead we encourage the players to try the more difficult stuff but to improve their decision-making and their skill to bring it off more and to have the vision and understanding between them to make things come off (a neat through ball is a ball to nowhere if your team mates don’t already work their movement to be where you’ll put it).

An alternative would be to go the Moyes route, or be like Karanka at Boro, but it completely kills creativity - if you never attempt much more risky than 50/50 you have to have a very good group of consistent players better than the level of your opponents to do anything. Boro had this in the Championship and then in the PL could barely get in the opposition third so even with a still pretty mean defence were stuffed.

We deliberately take more risks and encourage our players to do the difficult things. Overall it works and makes us good to watch too. It is a balance and evolves (remember how everyone was moaning about not playing the free flowing football of last season?) but cutting out the errors is not about cutting out the extravagant and difficult.
If we get a throw-in in near halfway, it goes back to our keeper 9 times out of 10. A freekick in midfield probably back to our keeper 7+ times out of 10. What I am saying is dont do a risky pass to a tightly marked player, even if successful he cant do anything with it. A risky flick to someone in space is worth the risk and can set up a move and maybe a chance. Probably a risky pass or flick out wide has less downside, than in the centre where opposition could attack centrally or on either wing
 

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Wasn't there a picture recently taken in the home dressing room that has a big poster about taking risks?
 

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If we get a throw-in in near halfway, it goes back to our keeper 9 times out of 10. A freekick in midfield probably back to our keeper 7+ times out of 10. What I am saying is dont do a risky pass to a tightly marked player, even if successful he cant do anything with it. A risky flick to someone in space is worth the risk and can set up a move and maybe a chance. Probably a risky pass or flick out wide has less downside, than in the centre where opposition could attack centrally or on either wing
It depends on what the intended receiver can be expected to do. A lot of Janelt’s central flicks and tackle passes are risky in your terms but we purr at them and they’re part of why he’s been so good not just defensively but also in keeping us moving forward from midfield out of possession.
 

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he had an average half against Luton ( and still nearly scored a claasic ), not poor at all.
outstanding against afcb and played well when he came on yesterday
I thought he was really poor yesterday....to hit and miss for me recently....needs to earn that place imho
 

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Raya
Dalsgaard, Pinnock, Sorenson, Henry
Janelt, Ghoddos, DaSilva,
Fosu, Toney, Mbeumo

We need to keep this tight early on and for that reason would favour Ghoddos and Fosu to start as think both will make us more solid.

Bring Jensen and Canos on around 60-70 minutes.
I’d go with this too
 

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He's doing well, but not sure if you can leave out Sergi or Bryan
I think the question re Sergi or Fosu is: do we start with Sergi's Energiser Bunny self and swap him out on 60 minutes, hoping he's made something happen and Fosu is better at closing out or do we start with Fosu's more pragmatic contribution and hope Sergi's energy can make something happen later on?
 

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I think the question re Sergi or Fosu is: do we start with Sergi's Energiser Bunny self and swap him out on 60 minutes, hoping he's made something happen and Fosu is better at closing out or do we start with Fosu's more pragmatic contribution and hope Sergi's energy cam make something happen later on?
To date we've opted for Sergi's energy, plus he's a foul magnet so wins lots of free kicks, so think he will start, but would be just as happy with Fosu tbh
 

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To date we've opted for Sergi's energy, plus he's a foul magnet so wins lots of free kicks, so think he will start, but would be just as happy with Fosu tbh
When, as he has been for a while, Sergi is flying he terrifies opponents in a way Fosu never has. The club has this the right way round. After an hour of Sergi, you can’t relax because a fresh Fosu is coming on.
 
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Being under pressure and losing the ball in a tackle where we could have been given a free kick is one thing, sloppy inaccurate passes to the opposition leading to goals is a bigger problem in my eyes. Trying to thread the eye of a needle (10% chance of success) pass shouldnt be what we are trying in midfield. Jensen needs to learn quickly
Would suggest it's a far greater sin losing the ball on the edge of your own penalty area than halfway up the pitch. Even Frank mentioned it after the game which is rare. Trying to thread the ball through the eye of a needle is what Jensen is in the team for and I'd imagine he'd be encouraged to do so, particularly if we're losing and trying to break a team down..
 

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Fosu deserves a start IMO, he has definitely improved last few games.
I agree I think he's been excellent recently.... but I think Canos can give you something unpredictable so I think Canos starts. Bryan is a higher level than both of them so wont be dropped, and quite right.
 

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Less about deserving starts and more about picking the players/system best suited to the opposition in any given match.
Also with Fosu and others, it must be a fine line between building them up and the player wanting to develop and the player getting disillusioned that they can't get the opportunities. Who would want to be a coach!
 

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Trying to thread the ball through the eye of a needle is what Jensen is in the team for and I'd imagine he'd be encouraged to do so, particularly if we're losing and trying to break a team down..
Yep, but more than a one-a-game success rate please!
 

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Would like to see Ghoddos in the middle with JDS and Janelt. He seems to offer more infront of goal compared to Jensen.
 

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Swansea are good and we need to be on the front foot. Comes down to Jensen or Ghoddos really , Jensen still offer more in a side that wins the initiative but needs to concentrate on not getting caught out the wrong side in defence. Wouldn't mind Mads R coming in in a back 5 if under the cosh.
 

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Ghoddas still doesn't look quite there yet so I would go for Jensen. But the fact he is pushing so hard testifies to the fact that Jensen has still not done enough to be one of the first names on the team sheet.
 

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Players getting caught on the ball is due to the opposition pressing faster than players making themselves available for a quick pass. The top team players know where the next pass is going before they receive the ball. We had that in spells last season but it hasn't been consistent this season. The Bryan to Ivan to Saman goal move is a prime example.
 

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