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It’s a game we really should win - and possibly need to despite the season still being in early stages.

The gap in quality is clear. We are comfortably the stronger side. Whilst I don’t believe we can just turn up and expect to win, I think even with our injuries we can pick an XI in our most comfortable formation (4-3-3) and still have enough. No need for creative solutions this week.

Here is what I would go for:

Raya
Dalsgaard Pinnock Sorensen Henry
Janelt
Dasilva Jensen
Mbeumo Toney Ghoddos

Harsh on Forss but simply can’t drop Toney.

I am still not keen on Dalsgaard as an attacking right back these days but he’s had a a little break without playing - and in any case, I expect us to dominate the ball enough that he isn’t having to get up and down the pitch quite so frequently.

Hopefully Jansson and Nørgaard will be fit enough for the bench, those two coming back will give us a lift.
 

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It’s a game we really should win - and possibly need to despite the season still being in early stages.

The gap in quality is clear. We are comfortably the stronger side. Whilst I don’t believe we can just turn up and expect to win, I think even with our injuries we can pick an XI in our most comfortable formation (4-3-3) and still have enough. No need for creative solutions this week.

Here is what I would go for:

Raya
Dalsgaard Pinnock Sorensen Henry
Janelt
Dasilva Jensen
Mbeumo Toney Ghoddos

Harsh on Forss but simply can’t drop Toney.

I am still not keen on Dalsgaard as an attacking right back these days but he’s had a a little break without playing - and in any case, I expect us to dominate the ball enough that he isn’t having to get up and down the pitch quite so frequently.

Hopefully Jansson and Nørgaard will be fit enough for the bench, those two coming back will give us a lift.
I would probably go along with that although Ghoddos wide feels like a square peg in a round hole
 

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Given the problems we are having on the flanks I would consider switching things around a little ie to get Forss on the pitch and Ghoddas in his preferred position, just behind the strikers. So:

Raya
Henrik Ethan MBS Rico
JDS, Janelt (assuming no CN), Jensen
Forss Toney Ghoddas

Alternatively, I would play Mbuemo on the left instead of Ghoddas, but I think he could do with a period coming off the bench to re-discover his mojo.
 

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Raya

Jansson Pinnock Sorensen

Dalsgaard Henry

Janelt
Jensen

Da Silva

Forss Toney

Subs: Daniels, Ghoddos, Marcondes, Mbeumo, Canos, Goode, Thompson, Fosu, Baptiste
 

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This might be a bit of basic analysis but Wycombe feel quite Stoke-like so the idea of trying a back 3 again should be a big no-no
 

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I don't see any benefit in changing formation.

Raya, Dalsgaard, Pinnock, Sorenson, Henry, Janelt, DaSilva, Jensen, Ghoddos, Mbeumo, Toney.

Subs: Daniels, Thompson, Pontus, Marcondes, Canos. Forss, Fosu, Norgaard(?), Stevens

If Norgaard is not fit enough for the bench then would love to see Valgeir or Adams on there but will prob be Hammar or Maghoma.
 

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Quite surprised some people want to leave Mbeumo out of the starting 11. I agree we haven’t seen the eye catching performances but stats don’t lie. Unlucky not to have a few more goals also. At the minute I’d say he’s our best wide player.

For me the team, even with injuries, picks itself. Forss will get his chance just not right now. Still think we’re a quality wide player short to fight for that position. Canos isn’t at this level yet, but does still have time on his side. I don’t really no how good Fosu is? Maybe just a squad / cup player? Still undecided. But Ghoddos, Mbeumo and another quality wide player I think is what we need. Anyway, my line up for Saturday.....

Raya
Dalsgaard Pinnock Sorensen Rico
Da Silva Jensen Janelt
Mbeumo Toney Ghoddos

Although I imagine Pontus, if fit would walk straight into the team, what are people’s thoughts on having a natural left footed centre half in Mads? Does it make us stronger? More balanced? Obviously the quality of player must be there but does it give us an advantage?
 

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Quite surprised some people want to leave Mbeumo out of the starting 11. I agree we haven’t seen the eye catching performances but stats don’t lie. Unlucky not to have a few more goals also. At the minute I’d say he’s our best wide player.

For me the team, even with injuries, picks itself. Forss will get his chance just not right now. Still think we’re a quality wide player short to fight for that position. Canos isn’t at this level yet, but does still have time on his side. I don’t really no how good Fosu is? Maybe just a squad / cup player? Still undecided. But Ghoddos, Mbeumo and another quality wide player I think is what we need. Anyway, my line up for Saturday.....

Raya
Dalsgaard Pinnock Sorensen Rico
Da Silva Jensen Janelt
Mbeumo Toney Ghoddos

Although I imagine Pontus, if fit would walk straight into the team, what are people’s thoughts on having a natural left footed centre half in Mads? Does it make us stronger? More balanced? Obviously the quality of player must be there but does it give us an advantage?
I'd imagine that's the side that most would put out. Only possible change would be a tactical one with Jensen/Marcondes. Wycombe are likely to sit back so we may well need Marcondes' movement in and around the box to help open them up. As for Pontus, no rush to bring him back, we look very solid with Pinnock and Sorenson and there are loads of games coming up.
 

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I like this. My one tweak would be Daniels for Raya. With a line up as attack minded as that, we don't need rush goalie. :sorted:
dont see this as anymore attacking than a normal formations just allows us to play our best players in there best postions
henry plays like a wing back anyway so he will come and defend when needed allowing dalsgaard to cover right back if needed,janelt plays as a screen across the back 3 or can slot in the back allowing defenders to cover wing backs,da silva is a good box to box player and allows ghoddos to play in his natural position as a number 10.
so looks good balanced team with 2 natural goal scorers in the team. and dont have to worry about playing the inconsistent 2
 

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Quite surprised some people want to leave Mbeumo out of the starting 11. I agree we haven’t seen the eye catching performances but stats don’t lie. Unlucky not to have a few more goals also. At the minute I’d say he’s our best wide player.

For me the team, even with injuries, picks itself. Forss will get his chance just not right now. Still think we’re a quality wide player short to fight for that position. Canos isn’t at this level yet, but does still have time on his side. I don’t really no how good Fosu is? Maybe just a squad / cup player? Still undecided. But Ghoddos, Mbeumo and another quality wide player I think is what we need. Anyway, my line up for Saturday.....

Raya
Dalsgaard Pinnock Sorensen Rico
Da Silva Jensen Janelt
Mbeumo Toney Ghoddos

Although I imagine Pontus, if fit would walk straight into the team, what are people’s thoughts on having a natural left footed centre half in Mads? Does it make us stronger? More balanced? Obviously the quality of player must be there but does it give us an advantage?
I completely get what you’re saying and it is a conundrum.

However, I think the problem with ignoring Mbuemo’s lack of eye catching performances in favour of his numbers, is that Forss’ numbers are even better (and his performances are eye catching)
 

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I completely get what you’re saying and it is a conundrum.

However, I think the problem with ignoring Mbuemo’s lack of eye catching performances in favour of his numbers, is that Forss’ numbers are even better (and his performances are eye catching)
I agree although they play in different positions and I don’t think Dalsgaard would offer enough going forward down the right. It is very harsh on Forss but I can’t see it working playing both him and Toney. Unfortunately for him Toney has also been on fire and offers more with his aerial threat.
 

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I agree although they play in different positions and I don’t think Dalsgaard would offer enough going forward down the right. It is very harsh on Forss but I can’t see it working playing both him and Toney. Unfortunately for him Toney has also been on fire and offers more with his aerial threat.
If it’s 1 up top I agree it should be Toney - his all round game is immense. I just don’t think it has to be one or the other though - he’s too good to ignore at the moment.

I know it’s a small sample size, but the Stoke game we played two up top for 25 minutes and he got 2 goals against a team sitting back. Forss is clearly overshooting the ridiculous numbers and it will regress but there is so much evidence there that he will still produce regularly. Historically he’s never failed to deliver. It’s easy to forget that when he bagged against Preston a few years back he did so as a very young lad given only 10 minutes at the end of the season, and he’s even done it at international level against the world champions.

I think we have to find a way to include him!
 

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Quite surprised some people want to leave Mbeumo out of the starting 11. I agree we haven’t seen the eye catching performances but stats don’t lie. Unlucky not to have a few more goals also. At the minute I’d say he’s our best wide player.
Mmmm! Sorry to say that is a 'best' that does not take much achieving at the moment. He will always capable of a momentary piece of brilliance (hence the stats) but if we want him back to his proper best I think a spell out of the team is needed ie coming on as an impact sub against tiring defences for a while.
 

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Mmmm! Sorry to say that is a 'best' that does not take much achieving at the moment. He will always capable of a momentary piece of brilliance (hence the stats) but if we want him back to his proper best I think a spell out of the team is needed ie coming on as an impact sub against tiring defences for a while.
Are you saying that you'd start inferior wide players to allow a superior player to come on as a late substitute and that will make him look much better? :confused:
 

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Mmmm! Sorry to say that is a 'best' that does not take much achieving at the moment. He will always capable of a momentary piece of brilliance (hence the stats) but if we want him back to his proper best I think a spell out of the team is needed ie coming on as an impact sub against tiring defences for a while.
He has the most assists in the Champ doesn't he ?
 

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Three at the back hasn't worked for us recently so can't see Thomas going away from 4-3-3 again. We could get Forss in the team by playing 4-3-1-2 but the downside is less width. If we were playing wing backs I think Canos is best bet on right. I remember him having a great game in that position at home to Derby before his injury
 

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I think, considering the way Wycombe play, the best front line is going to be: Canós - Toney - Mbeumo.

For all the criticism of Sergi (including mine), he really is a 'confidence player' and, with the Chairboys weaknesses in the full back positions, a good start will give him the confidence to put on a good show. All the debate about Toney and Forss but there's only one place and it's got to be Ivan's, if we're in control after 59 minutes, then Marcus can come on to finish them off and give him a rest. Bryan is simply our best contributor to goals in the wide positions, it's madness to consider not starting him. Again, if we're clearly winning, then Ghoddos and Fosu can be given minutes.
 

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I think, considering the way Wycombe play, the best front line is going to be: Canós - Toney - Mbeumo.

For all the criticism of Sergi (including mine), he really is a 'confidence player' and, with the Chairboys weaknesses in the full back positions, a good start will give him the confidence to put on a good show. All the debate about Toney and Forss but there's only one place and it's got to be Ivan's, if we're in control after 59 minutes, then Marcus can come on to finish them off and give him a rest. Bryan is simply our best contributor to goals in the wide positions, it's madness to consider not starting him. Again, if we're clearly winning, then Ghoddos and Fosu can be given minutes.
They have the best left back in the division I heard
 

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I think we have to find a way to accomodate Toney and Forss in a 433 with Mbuemo and they can interchange during the game. This is the ideal game to give it a go imho. If any of the other wide players were pulling up trees then of course there would be no need to try but IT and MF are in such good form and full of confidence I really cant see any harm.
 

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I think we have to find a way to accomodate Toney and Forss in a 433 with Mbuemo and they can interchange during the game. This is the ideal game to give it a go imho. If any of the other wide players were pulling up trees then of course there would be no need to try but IT and MF are in such good form and full of confidence I really cant see any harm.
We don't have to find a way to accomodate both.. We can give both plenty of game time over the next couple of months by rotating. Throwing one of them in out of position is totally pointless and will likely affect the amount of chances the other one gets.. We've had a good week or two at Jersey Road with with most of our attacking options together so am expecting an improvement in our attacking play this weekend..
 

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I think, considering the way Wycombe play, the best front line is going to be: Canós - Toney - Mbeumo.

For all the criticism of Sergi (including mine), he really is a 'confidence player' and, with the Chairboys weaknesses in the full back positions, a good start will give him the confidence to put on a good show. All the debate about Toney and Forss but there's only one place and it's got to be Ivan's, if we're in control after 59 minutes, then Marcus can come on to finish them off and give him a rest. Bryan is simply our best contributor to goals in the wide positions, it's madness to consider not starting him. Again, if we're clearly winning, then Ghoddos and Fosu can be given minutes.
Give IT a rest after 2 weeks of internationals, I think he is fully rested
 

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Give IT a rest after 2 weeks of internationals, I think he is fully rested
I'm looking forward, so fresh for next week's games. Long trip to the grim North on Tuesday, then back home refreshed for Friday's little event!
 

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Seem to be a lot of B teamers missing from the squad today. Perhaps a few drafted into the first team squad for the next week with the extra subs spots available? Gilbert would be an interesting addition...
 

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Seem to be a lot of B teamers missing from the squad today. Perhaps a few drafted into the first team squad for the next week with the extra subs spots available? Gilbert would be an interesting addition...
We can name 9 subs from tomorrow
 

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Raya
Henry
Pinnock
Jansson
Dalsgaard
Janelt
Jensen
DaSilva
Fosu
Mbuemo
Toney

Subs: Daniels Thompson Sorenson Marcondes Canos Forss Hammar
 

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Are you saying that you'd start inferior wide players to allow a superior player to come on as a late substitute and that will make him look much better? :confused:
I am not interested in him being made to 'look' anything! I am interested in him getting his form back. Coming on against tired defenders might help him gain confidence. The team I would pick to facilitate this was above.
 

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He has the most assists in the Champ doesn't he ?
As mentioned, he is good enough to produce the odd piece of magic in all games he plays, hence the assists, but we need more. We need him on top form and he hasn't been since lockdown. There comes a time with a player out of form that you have to try something different.
 

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