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I was critical of TF last two games on the starting line up against Stoke and subs against Norwich but a brave starting line up (not the one I would have gone for but understand why he did) and also his use of subs today and timing of them was spot on. Deserves credit so well done TF.
 

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Lucky sod , just kept his job for another week. I understand Voice had already drawn up the Compromise Agreement.
 

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An early Christmas gift for Thomas. Instead of wasting money on chewing gum every game just chew on a rubber band with a dab of toothpaste on it. Merry Christmas.
 

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An early Christmas gift for Thomas. Instead of wasting money on chewing gum every game just chew on a rubber band with a dab of toothpaste on it. Merry Christmas.
Old joke. Stolen from Viz's Top Tips page. About thirty years ago.
 

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He’ll say it wasn’t a top performance, but we were defensively solid (against a team with a 38yr old with no legs up front).....when he should be calling some of his players out for another dire showing.
 

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I am certainly not in the TF out camp but admit he has made mistakes this year, more so in the starting line up against Stoke. Where I have sympathy for him is these annoying international breaks and the tight schedule of games where he really has no time to prepare for games as he would like - what I would like TF to say in his post match interviews is to own up to his own errors.

Whether one likes it or not this is the year we need to go up. If we don't we will certainly lose half our first team in Rico, Josh, Raya, CN, Bryan and most probably also Toney to name a few. I would also think it would be also time up for TF.
 

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He’ll say it wasn’t a top performance, but we were defensively solid (against a team with a 38yr old with no legs up front).....when he should be calling some of his players out for another dire showing.
He's not going to call the players out in public.. That way leads to losing the dressing room as we've seen before with our more 'vocal' managers..
 

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Indeed and he's usually quite honest. As for the previous poster who said he should be calling out players, cmon, that would be a ridiculous thing to do in public.
Yep.TF isn’t stupid, he knows better than anyone things aren’t working and he knows better than anyone what the solution is. There have been at least three occasions when he’s set things right after ropey spells and I’m sure he’ll do it again.
 

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I would like him to make some reference to our struggles on the ball. What always seems to be annoying him in interviews are little defensive errors and missed chances. But the bigger problem I am seeing this season is poor build up play and a lack of creativity.
 

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Fullsome praise for WW and the achievements of our International representatives is one thing. A comprehensive explanation of why we failed on a number of levels to deliver a good enough performance against a poor workmanlike opponent was sadly lacking .
 

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I am certainly not in the TF out camp but admit he has made mistakes this year, more so in the starting line up against Stoke. Where I have sympathy for him is these annoying international breaks and the tight schedule of games where he really has no time to prepare for games as he would like - what I would like TF to say in his post match interviews is to own up to his own errors.

Whether one likes it or not this is the year we need to go up. If we don't we will certainly lose half our first team in Rico, Josh, Raya, CN, Bryan and most probably also Toney to name a few. I would also think it would be also time up for TF.
I hope you're wrong but I think you may have hit the nail on the head. All this talk of rotating players is not the answer unless you have enough "Championship" level players which let's be honest we don't have. This current group of players will not get us promoted.
 

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I hope you're wrong but I think you may have hit the nail on the head. All this talk of rotating players is not the answer unless you have enough "Championship" level players which let's be honest we don't have. This current group of players will not get us promoted.
With half our squad going off on international leave finding any groove is proving hard. It can't be easy to manage.
 

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I am certainly not in the TF out camp but admit he has made mistakes this year, more so in the starting line up against Stoke. Where I have sympathy for him is these annoying international breaks and the tight schedule of games where he really has no time to prepare for games as he would like - what I would like TF to say in his post match interviews is to own up to his own errors.

Whether one likes it or not this is the year we need to go up. If we don't we will certainly lose half our first team in Rico, Josh, Raya, CN, Bryan and most probably also Toney to name a few. I would also think it would be also time up for TF.
The issues you point to are experienced by all teams, games thick and fast and the International breaks. Where we have been unlucky are the injuries to key personnel imo. We have also lost the knack of scoring from several players, to an over reliance on Toney. This one is more difficult to resolve but I feel we need to bring in 1 or 2 players otherwise the promotion you talk about will never be achieved, and we will be set back 2 or 3 years as you allude to.
 

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I would like him to make some reference to our struggles on the ball. What always seems to be annoying him in interviews are little defensive errors and missed chances. But the bigger problem I am seeing this season is poor build up play and a lack of creativity.
Did he not say exactly that, that we didn’t have enough flair or creativity?

Roughly translated, his post match interview was basically that we miss Benrahma
 

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Did he not say exactly that, that we didn’t have enough flair or creativity?

Roughly translated, his post match interview was basically that we miss Benrahma
But surely we knew that we’d miss SBs qualities before he left the building? We’ve all seen him play and TF has seen enough of Canos and Fosu to know they aren’t replacements over a shortened 46 game season. We’ve a lot of smart guys at the top of BFC and I just find it hard to believe we thought we’d get away with a patch up job.

Its as if we’ve been caught by surprise when in fact we had 12mths to prepare for SB leaving. Now the window is closed and we’re trying to get guys who haven’t proved anything at championship level to fill in for one of the best championship players of all time. And shock it isn’t working.

Then we’ll hit the January window where we’ll hear there’s no value in the market. And coming to 12th placed Brentford won’t be that exciting a proposition anyway.
 

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Thomas isn’t responsible for bringing new players in. That’s not his job. He is the silk purse from a pigs ear magician.
 

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But surely we knew that we’d miss SBs qualities before he left the building? We’ve all seen him play and TF has seen enough of Canos and Fosu to know they aren’t replacements over a shortened 46 game season. We’ve a lot of smart guys at the top of BFC and I just find it hard to believe we thought we’d get away with a patch up job.

Its as if we’ve been caught by surprise when in fact we had 12mths to prepare for SB leaving. Now the window is closed and we’re trying to get guys who haven’t proved anything at championship level to fill in for one of the best championship players of all time. And shock it isn’t working.

Then we’ll hit the January window where we’ll hear there’s no value in the market. And coming to 12th placed Brentford won’t be that exciting a proposition anyway.
Agree with that, surprised That our dof”s were caught with their pants down.
 

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But surely we knew that we’d miss SBs qualities before he left the building? We’ve all seen him play and TF has seen enough of Canos and Fosu to know they aren’t replacements over a shortened 46 game season. We’ve a lot of smart guys at the top of BFC and I just find it hard to believe we thought we’d get away with a patch up job.

Its as if we’ve been caught by surprise when in fact we had 12mths to prepare for SB leaving. Now the window is closed and we’re trying to get guys who haven’t proved anything at championship level to fill in for one of the best championship players of all time. And shock it isn’t working.

Then we’ll hit the January window where we’ll hear there’s no value in the market. And coming to 12th placed Brentford won’t be that exciting a proposition anyway.
I think it’s worth remembering that SB was not a consistent performer across his whole time at GP. His performances second half of last season were phenomenal in the main (but not in the crucial final games). However in season 1 he took time to get going and was patchy in his impact. That said I agree that the reliance on Canos and a clearly jaded Mbeumo looks misguided. It feels we are short of that driving force from midfield this season. It’s not too late and unlike many I can see us making a move in January when value for money will be around as clubs struggle for revenue. One final point, the loss of Baptiste is significant and should not be underestimated.
 

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Agree with that, surprised That our dof”s were caught with their pants down.
I think Ghoddos has arrived in worse shape than we expected. Whether he was the right man to fill that gap, I don’t know.

What I do know is that Benrahma is the most gifted and creative player I’ve seen in 30 years of watching Brentford and replacing him is far from easy.
 

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The frank out camp is growing by the look of it - I'm edging that way myself - it's all a bit stale at the moment and he had his big moment - and failed the test
 

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With half our squad going off on international leave finding any groove is proving hard. It can't be easy to manage.
Excuse me, how do you arrive at half of ouronly ones who played yesterday were Henrik, Jensen and Josh
With half our squad going off on international leave finding any groove is proving hard. It can't be easy to manage.
Half the squad ?....I don't think so...
 

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But surely we knew that we’d miss SBs qualities before he left the building? We’ve all seen him play and TF has seen enough of Canos and Fosu to know they aren’t replacements over a shortened 46 game season. We’ve a lot of smart guys at the top of BFC and I just find it hard to believe we thought we’d get away with a patch up job.

Its as if we’ve been caught by surprise when in fact we had 12mths to prepare for SB leaving. Now the window is closed and we’re trying to get guys who haven’t proved anything at championship level to fill in for one of the best championship players of all time. And shock it isn’t working.

Then we’ll hit the January window where we’ll hear there’s no value in the market. And coming to 12th placed Brentford won’t be that exciting a proposition anyway.
Everyone seemed to be saying we have replaced SB with Ghoddos.
 

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Everyone seemed to be saying we have replaced SB with Ghoddos.
Numerically, I guess so, but Ghoddos was on our recruitment list for a long time though he's clearly not a wide attacker, so I think we still did not actually replace Benrahma.
 

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I think it’s worth remembering that SB was not a consistent performer across his whole time at GP. His performances second half of last season were phenomenal in the main (but not in the crucial final games). However in season 1 he took time to get going and was patchy in his impact. That said I agree that the reliance on Canos and a clearly jaded Mbeumo looks misguided. It feels we are short of that driving force from midfield this season. It’s not too late and unlike many I can see us making a move in January when value for money will be around as clubs struggle for revenue. One final point, the loss of Baptiste is significant and should not be underestimated.
It is beginning to look as if Baptiste is following that well worn path, that the longer a players is out the better he becomes. Baptiste has not had a long enough spell playing at this level to really see if he can cut the mustard. To avoid eventual disappointment, I will wait until he is back, and match fit with a good few games under his belt before passing judgement on his usefulness to the team.
 
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My take of it is that maybe the club should get in an additional coach who has has not been promoted from within the club . It has all become a little insular within the club and could do with a bit more thinking outside the box .
 

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Brentford are all about performance levels and underlying stats, as opposed to results.

Many clubs would've sacked Thomas when he first took over from Smith and again following our very slow start last season. They didn't because the underlying performance was OK.

We now have a situation where the performance levels have deteriorated in the last 3 games or so, and whilst unbeaten in those games, the poor performance levels will not have gone unnoticed with the club's hierarchy.

Thomas will be well aware performances need to improve significantly in the next few games, or else he will be under pressure, obviously it works both ways and he knows this.
 

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Brentford are all about performance levels and underlying stats, as opposed to results.

Many clubs would've sacked Thomas when he first took over from Smith and again following our very slow start last season. They didn't because the underlying performance was OK.

We now have a situation where the performance levels have deteriorated in the last 3 games or so, and whilst unbeaten in those games, the poor performance levels will not have gone unnoticed with the club's hierarchy.

Thomas will be well aware performances need to improve significantly in the next few games, or else he will be under pressure, obviously it works both ways and he knows this.
Agree with all that, but the question must be asked whether he has the tools at his disposal to do the job. He's playing the best players available. Everyone's berating Canos, but the only alternatives are Fosu and Ghoddos. This doesn't explain the ponderous build up play however, other than players don't have confidence in each other.
 

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Thomas will be well aware performances need to improve significantly in the next few games, or else he will be under pressure, obviously it works both ways and he knows this.
Changing managers won't help if they only have 10 players to select from.

Those in-charge see the same as we do. It's not TF's fault that Canos and Ghoddos are playing poorly at the moment; that CN is out injured; that we don't have a fit back-up for our oldest player; that we are playing 2 games a week forever; that a large proportion of our players get called-up for international games; etc.
 

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Changing managers won't help if they only have 10 players to select from.

Those in-charge see the same as we do. It's not TF's fault that Canos and Ghoddos are playing poorly at the moment; that CN is out injured; that we don't have a fit back-up for our oldest player; that we are playing 2 games a week forever; that a large proportion of our players get called-up for international games; etc.
I accept some of the points made, but we're not the only Championship club suffering with similar issues.

Yesterday and Boro were well below requirement, regardless of some of our issues.

I believe he'll turn it around anyway, but if performance levels remain that poor between now and say, the end of December, then questions will surely be asked, regardless.
 

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Even though we're only twelve game's in, There's always a Frank out brigade after fluffing his lines last year & watching the Baggies & Fulham doing crap. Now with all the international breaks over Frank has to step up. Personally at the moment he's the right man.
 
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Changing managers won't help if they only have 10 players to select from.

Those in-charge see the same as we do. It's not TF's fault that Canos and Ghoddos are playing poorly at the moment; that CN is out injured; that we don't have a fit back-up for our oldest player; that we are playing 2 games a week forever; that a large proportion of our players get called-up for international games; etc.
It’s a perfect storm and there’s not much TF can do until January by which time he can hopefully strengthen.

He and we need to stay calm until then. Change f changes sake is a waste of time.

433 works for us and we have to hope that players recover form and fitness.

TF knows that we aren’t firing on all cylinders but there’s not a lot he can do.

I’d rather we remain hard to beat and keep picking up draws and the odd win rather than changing everything and risk going on a losing run.
 

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Personally I think we have to get through to Christmas when CN returns. Then it's a question of what happens in the January Sales.
 

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My take of it is that maybe the club should get in an additional coach who has has not been promoted from within the club . It has all become a little insular within the club and could do with a bit more thinking outside the box .
Yes, I suggested this weeks ago.
 

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Agree with that, surprised That our dof”s were caught with their pants down.
It does feel that way, doesn’t it. And don’t get me wrong they have plenty of credit in the bank from doing a great job.

But we knew the play off hangover, we knew the short pre season, we knew two key players were going out, we knew the mental fixture schedule. It’s just surprising we are where we are.

Just to clarify I’m not in the TF out camp and any such camp will be a minority of disappointed people because it won’t happen. But as the man in charge of performances he needs to find a way of galvanising things.
 

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I think the main problem TF faces is that we don’t have a coherent and consistent midfield. Norgaard is key to this as he provides both the screen to defence that allows both Henry and Dalsgaard to go forward in wide areas, and the link to the forward players.

Jensen can do either of those roles but not both at the same time. So without Norgaard the other two midfielders have a lot to do to pick the ball up and are generally having to do it much closer to our goal than the opposition’s. It also means we’re easier to press and the full backs stay back, which is why JDS is having to do more out wide in the places where normally CN would be choosing between Rico and Henrik before stepping forward. That in turn isolates the third midfielder who is forced to drop back and the wingers who have to come back if we want to do our usual short passing up the pitch. But then they have no outlet because the scope for overlapping runs by Rico and Henrik has gone. Which is why we end up doing long cross field balls to the wingers. As they themselves are isolated they’re often on a hiding to nothing.

This makes both Canos and Mbeumo look worse than they are because to do otherwise would require both to make perfect pinpoint crosses every time without the option of a shorter pass to a doubling up full back. If either were a magician on the ball like Said or Jota were that would be less of an issue but in reality a good team ought not to be relying on outrageous skill but profiting from the fear of it in opponents on top of doing more prosaic things. Wycombe’s fast wide players are objectively far worse than ours but were given the room in a much simpler set up to look much more effective.

In the current context I don’t think Said himself would get a lot of joy and like Bryan would be seen coming much deeper to win the ball rather than being where he was dangerous. So merely upgrading Sergi (or setting Fosu up to fail for the same reasons) is not the answer even if he has been very disappointing.

As I see it the only two options for TF are to accept that we’re going to have to bear this structural weakness until CN returns and hope Sergi plays himself into form in the meanwhile as we stay hard to beat but limited to feeding Toney scraps. Or to commit to Janelt having to take CN’s role and grow into it over the coming month or so, keeping JDS away from the wings and risking more defeats but when VJ plays well, looking more like the team we’d got used to.
 

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Read the match reports and the comments on various threads and the level of gloom is pretty appalling

I note that we should have taken Wycombe apart as they are nailed on for relegation. By what god given right do we deserve to just roll a team over?? It was the same comments about Luton. Yes on paper we have a good squad of players but a team on paper is not the same as on the pitch as is evidenced by the strange results across all leagues.

Players are not performing to expected levels however looking at the players available for selection there are not a great deal of options open to Thomas and pretty much it’s a case of moving the deckchairs on the Titanic

I don’t doubt that there is a hangover from last season and this allied with injuries to key players we are just not performing. However one thing that perhaps we forget is that these a number of the squad are young men who’s families are many miles away in a world where there is a global pandemic.

Posters on here have said how difficult it has been to deal with families they are unable to see and that is just in the UK, consider the worries that some turn of our foreign players must have about their families and how that must effect their performance. Yes other teams will experience the same issues but our squad in the main is very young

I have no doubt all within the club would have hoped for better but one thing we do know is that the club don’t do knee jerk but will assess everything and continue to give possibly our best coach in recent years full support
 

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He doesn’t know his best lineup from one week to the next. He doesn’t know how to make the most of the personnel on the bench to change games.

Injuries and fitness during this unique season have played a role in that. But there is no doubt it is causing disjointed performances. Ultimately Frank shoulders some responsibility for that.

However, to his credit we have only actually lost 3 from 12 so far and remain in the top half. We probably don’t have the squad this season to obtain a spot in the automatic promotion places, but keep in touch with 6th place until Christmas and we might strengthen in January, then who knows?
 

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Any posters on here questioning TF are totally out of order, yes we are not functioning properly at the moment, and we should be playing better. We are only 5 pts off the play offs and 7 pts from top, not a disaster. Get at least 4 points from the next couple of games and the doom merchants will say TF is the greatest thing since sliced bread. I am sure that 1 or 2 additions will arrive in the January window and we will push on in the new year, have some faith in the management team.
 

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