Thomas Frank - Signs to June 2023 (53 Viewers)

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Pukki’s done very well at Norwich but his record at Brondby was no better than Marcondes’ but 5 years older and after indifferent times at Celtic, Schalke and Seville.
....puki and marcondes in the same sentence....there's a thing.....I'd argue puki has gone on to be be a far more effective and successful footballer....Bronboooo....or otherwise:unsure:
 

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Maybe that is the problem? Perhaps we ought not to be 'Lumping the Ball up to the Big Man in the first place.
Indeed. We do it because other people aren't doing their job properly, not because it's our preferred tactic.
 

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The fact we started this campaign so strongly was amazing - we not only got over losing key players we also recovered from the disappointment and extra effort spent in the play-offs. Thomas and his team deserve enormous credit for that.

Remember - there were times early in the season when people criticised Sergi and even Ivan. But Thomas and his team gave them the time, space and encouragement to bed in, while at the same time slotting Vitaly into the hole left by Christian and doing the same with Winston for Pontus. They also ignored the doubters who thought Mads Bech wasn’t a Left Centre Back - he’s been stunning.

And, remember, this is through a season of relentless football played in almost empty soulless stadiums.

But of course, supporters have over-reacted and thought we knew better - that’s what we do. But I think it must be harder for the players when we are not actually there to lend support. Everyone’s skins are thinner at the moment. Posting on-line abuse is really stupid in this situation.

Now the team has to re-group (again). They look as though they are feeling it. The team has to dig deep and will probably experience more injuries and slices of bad luck/poor refereeing - which will test it even further. And I think players like Ivan are really missing the fans - and that’s before he gets abuse on social media - FFS!

I think Thomas, Ras and Kevin are in a good place to drag us through this war of attrition. They’ve been hardened by experience and bounced back before. In this ridiculous season - they have my full support. Just wish I could shout it not type it.

COYB!
 

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Ministry of the Bleedin' obvious: lumping it up to Toney and playing off him works if.... there's someone close to him and playing off him.
I don't care if we don't play tippy tappy if we win. And get promoted. Whatever it takes. But I also won't bleat and moan if we don't.

I think Thomas is great; I think Thomas is stubborn and his stubbornness is a good thing at times and at times like now, it's a "marginal" limiting factor. Formation fluidity based on what you've got at your disposal and being bold with earlier subs in games imho might help us with said "fine margins", but I found myself resigned to play-offs 2 or 3 games ago, so I'm actually quite looking forward to them! 10th time lucky.
 

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Maybe that is the problem? Perhaps we ought not to be 'Lumping the Ball up to the Big Man in the first place.
so, in summary, we mustn’t lump the ball up to the front man but we also play it around at the back too much and are too slow getting it forward, plus we take too many chances with one touch passing in our own half when teams are pressing.... :D
 

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We have a fabulous scouting network which has been hit hard with recent changes in rules.
As promising as a lot of our youngsters may be, our squad is pretty thin.
A couple of injuries and we are where we are.

I’m struggling to put it on Frank, What is he supposed to do with the limitations he has ?
The transfer rules won’t come into affect until the next window, it does not affect current performances.

Its also the same for everyone.

I don’t know what TF can do when his wide players miss sitters game after game and the only bloke on the bench to come on wide is Fosu who is hardly a game changer.

TF needs criticism for not adapting tactics when teams go high press and pin us in our 6 yard box until we give up a comedy goal, however the way we miss chances and gift soft goals is not really something he can change,

If the last 4 draws had been wins we would be favourites to over take Watford, of those 4 games Derby and Forest were down to him and tactics or lack of them, the other 2 draws were down to rubbish finishing and a dreadful defensive error. Also let’s not forget the two stone wall pens not given at Huddersfield,
 

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We are 3 major players down on last season who were better than what we have now....Watkins benrahma and last year's mbeumo......and add Josh to that who always was worth a goal...
 

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The transfer rules won’t come into affect until the next window, it does not affect current performances.

Its also the same for everyone.

I don’t know what TF can do when his wide players miss sitters game after game and the only bloke on the bench to come on wide is Fosu who is hardly a game changer.

TF needs criticism for not adapting tactics when teams go high press and pin us in our 6 yard box until we give up a comedy goal, however the way we miss chances and gift soft goals is not really something he can change,

If the last 4 draws had been wins we would be favourites to over take Watford, of those 4 games Derby and Forest were down to him and tactics or lack of them, the other 2 draws were down to rubbish finishing and a dreadful defensive error. Also let’s not forget the two stone wall pens not given at Huddersfield,
I think its affected our January window at least.

And i dont agree its affected everyone because there will still be those who pay mad money regardless, which isnt what we do, cant do.
The changes mean our signings are going to be a lot more costly as it has narrowed the options.

Ive already said thats its a mix for me where weve ended up, the change in transfer/business & form/performances.
Ive views on Franks decisions too, which is how it is for any game/scenario. Some you agree, some you dont.
But overall i think theres more out of his hands than in.
 

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I think its affected our January window at least.

And i dont agree its affected everyone because there will still be those who pay mad money regardless, which isnt what we do, cant do.
The changes mean our signings are going to be a lot more costly as it has narrowed the options.

Ive already said thats its a mix for me where weve ended up, the change in transfer/business & form/performances.
Ive views on Franks decisions too, which is how it is for any game/scenario. Some you agree, some you dont.
But overall i think theres more out of his hands than in as to where we are.
 

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....puki and marcondes in the same sentence....there's a thing.....I'd argue puki has gone on to be be a far more effective and successful footballer....Bronboooo....or otherwise:unsure:
Of course he has and in spades. But back in 2018 when he joined Norwich did he look like it? He was 27/28 and had had one decent season in the Danish Superliga.
 

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Those who are calling for a formation change - could someone explain in footballing strategy terms what this tactical switch will give us?
I think we need closer support to Ivan, however playing 3 at the back has led to poor performances. I wonder if 4132 might work, it would occupy more of the oppositions defenders and hopefully give Ivan more chances. Marcus seemed able to find space in a crowded box early in the season and score.
 

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Unless Thomas & Co change something, nothing will change. It will continue as in the last six weeks or so. But if that's the best we have, then it will not be easy to change things without taking serious risks.
Big decisions.
Would keep me awake.
 

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I think the only way this will properly change is for some of these players to have two months away, no football, go away with the family or friends, do anything they like except football and then come back for pre-season. Hopefully they can find a a few more tunes in them this season before that can happen.
 
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so, in summary, we mustn’t lump the ball up to the front man but we also play it around at the back too much and are too slow getting it forward, plus we take too many chances with one touch passing in our own half when teams are pressing.... :D
We have more than one problem, Lumping a long ball up to the Big Man is not our style, and is more reminiscent of the lower leagues, on the other hand we are far to slow passing it around at the back, and through the middle. This latter problem could also be a lack of constructive movement from those not involved in the immediate play. Constructive movement encourages incisive passing, IMO this lack of movement encourages defenders to eventually revert to long ball.
 

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so, in summary, we mustn’t lump the ball up to the front man but we also play it around at the back too much and are too slow getting it forward, plus we take too many chances with one touch passing in our own half when teams are pressing.... :D
Fair points.
#I found it very instructive to watch Norwich v Huddersfield the other day (second half only because it started while we were still playing.) Their ability to move the ball along was very similar to what we did when we were all fit. Movement, swift passing and instant control. But we have to cut our cloth according to the players we have available.

One thing we should perhaps look at when Dalsgaard is back... many may recall that our "out ball" a few years ago was a ball to Dalsgaard's head - not a chipped ball but a longer, driven ball (and looking back even further, we did a similar thing with Robbie Simpson): we've understandably stopped doing that over the last year or so. It's not ideal but is an alternative to lumping it up to Toney.
 

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Fair points.
#I found it very instructive to watch Norwich v Huddersfield the other day (second half only because it started while we were still playing.) Their ability to move the ball along was very similar to what we did when we were all fit. Movement, swift passing and instant control. But we have to cut our cloth according to the players we have available.

One thing we should perhaps look at when Dalsgaard is back... many may recall that our "out ball" a few years ago was a ball to Dalsgaard's head - not a chipped ball but a longer, driven ball (and looking back even further, we did a similar thing with Robbie Simpson): we've understandably stopped doing that over the last year or so. It's not ideal but is an alternative to lumping it up to Toney.
I do not disagree with the general tenet of your post, however, I do query the passage where you mention 'when we were all fit'. We have changed our style to more long ball, usually to Toney, since the start of the current season, and not recently.
 

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We play, we recover, we have a simple training session to keep things ticking over, we travel we play week on week on week

just when do posters suggest we have the time to bed in any new systems?? Pretty much all Thomas can do is shuffle players about keeping the same basic style, dread to think where we would be if some of the experts on here were allowed to select team and tactics
Do you EVER make a post without slagging off other bees fans who might just have the audacity to have a different opinion to you ?? Just asking for a friend ;)
 

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I assume Fosu left wing back, Dalsgaard right wing back and Canos centre forward then. I wonder if two of them have played those positions before.
Sorry i meant one of Canos/Fosu as wing backs with HD.

I would try Bryan up top or play out back up striker there :idea:
 

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Listened to latest beesotted podcast yesterday. Quite depressing in parts. Watched the B team game highlights this morning, all six minutes or so, against Sheffield United youngsters, and cheered up a bit. Some really good football, quick movement, crisp passing, moving the ball quickly. A joy to watch. C'mon you bees!
 

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I have been Thomas Franks biggest critic over the past few weeks but fair f***ing play. To have the b***ocks to go two up top and try something different i can only commend. Shame it has taken this long as automatic has gone but this is just what we needed to light the fire again. Thomas Frank, i applaud you.
 

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Credit where it’s due. I’m not sure he had the capability of having a Plan B but he absolutely showed they today. Mbeueno as a wing back excellent, Fosu at an advanced midfielder..... a ballsy call that has paid off.
 
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Credit where it’s due. I’m not sure he had the capability of having a Plan B but he absolutely showed they today. Mbeueno as a wing back excellent, Fosu at an advanced midfielder..... a ballsy call that has paid off.
Top top performance ;) full credit to Thomas. I did not see that formation and result coming. It worked really well. Also the players, all gave 100% and lots of energy.
 

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Those changes today have given us some serious optimism for the next 6+ games and may have just rescued our season from petering out.

Well done, TF.
 

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The man is a genius.
Fancy all Preston's homework preparing for the match all having to be thrown away with a complete unexpected formation change.
 

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Pleased for Thomas as he's our gaffer and been a bloody good one at that; pleased for the club as that's how we've had the potential to play for some weeks, it just needed brave tweaks to the formation. Better late than never :cool: top performance and I hope one that we look back on as the turning point in a promotion season. :)
 

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Nobody would have picked that side though - not one person.
not the exact side but along those lines......fair play to tf he gambled big time today and it looks like we have a new formula for success which will suprise a few other teams.....many of us have said all along that you couldnt play janelt and norgaard next to each other and this new way lets both of them play without reducing the attacking threat.....for me mbeumo was a revelation today......this could be his new position ;)
 

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