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So if we are saying that the reason for the 'tiff' is nothing to do with MW being unhappy about new players coming in...........what IS the problem??.......
Which size spoon do I have to use.

The press are reporting that the issue is that the manager is being forced to sign players he has never seen - the implication being that the owner is a mad, meddling know-nothing in the same vein as Vincent Tan etc. The model we have (or rather the model that MB wants) is not the old English model where the Manager is responsible for player recruitment; academy; youth team; keeping the garden tidy etc. etc. etc. and is instead supported by the model that the rest-of-the-world uses in the form of a Director of Football and then a First Team coach; Head of Academy etc.

So yes the "First Team Coach" will coach players that he may not have seen before - two of them are Jota and Tebar whom no-one is complaining about.
 

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So if we are saying that the reason for the 'tiff' is nothing to do with MW being unhappy about new players coming in...........what IS the problem??.......
Maybe MW had the veto on players coming in and wouldn't give his approval.
 

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The press are reporting that the issue is that the manager is being forced to sign players he has never seen - the implication being that the owner is a mad, meddling know-nothing in the same vein as Vincent Tan etc. The model we have (or rather the model that MB wants) is not the old English model where the Manager is responsible for player recruitment; academy; youth team; keeping the garden tidy etc. etc. etc. and is instead supported by the model that the rest-of-the-world uses in the form of a Director of Football and then a First Team coach; Head of Academy etc.

So yes the "First Team Coach" will coach players that he may not have seen before - two of them are Jota and Toral whom no-one is complaining about.
Point of order - not Toral Banana, MW will have known him well. Tebar maybe.
 

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We are going round and round in circles!! The man who has ultimate control needs to take control and make a STATEMENT.
 

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The press are reporting that the issue is that the manager is being forced to sign players he has never seen - the implication being that the owner is a mad, meddling know-nothing in the same vein as Vincent Tan etc. The model we have (or rather the model that MB wants) is not the old English model where the Manager is responsible for player recruitment; academy; youth team; keeping the garden tidy etc. etc. etc. and is instead supported by the model that the rest-of-the-world uses in the form of a Director of Football and then a First Team coach; Head of Academy etc.

So yes the "First Team Coach" will coach players that he may not have seen before - two of them are Jota and Tebar whom no-one is complaining about.
So are you saying that Warbs has had little or no say in the recruitment of players since he has become manager? I would find that strange given that he was previously in the D of F role and involved in recruitment. Surely Warbs had seen both Jota and Toral previously given his extensive knowledge of football across Europe and with next gen?
 
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So are you saying that Warbs has had little or no say in the recruitment of players since he has become manager? I would find that strange given that he was previously in the D of F role and involved in recruitment. Surely Warbs had seen both Jota and Toral previously given his extensive knowledge of football across Europe and with next gen?
Oh my Lord.....

No he had a VETO on the recruitment of players. However that is not the point.

I repeat: "The press are reporting that the issue is that the manager is being forced to sign players he has never seen - the implication being that the owner is a mad, meddling know-nothing in the same vein as Vincent Tan etc. "

Can someone else have a go please? I've tried my best.
 

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He's hardly likely to say "yes that's the issue" to be fair.
But he's probably the only one who has said anything who Actually knows what is going on. Who else is there to believe? Anything else is probably either from someone guessing or being mischievous.
 

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Well from where I 'm seeing things is the last threeyears I have been walking round thinking " how well things have been going at GP. The whole set up from the academy upwards. We have a fantastic owner that actually cares. We have people in position that can identify and sign good skilfull players" Griffin park has never been so good in my lifetime. and we all need to thank Matthew Benham for that. Nobody has done or will ever do what he has done for our club. Seems we have a judas in the camp, not only has MB been let down, but so have al us bees fans. I have never felt so down since the days of Ron Noades. Three yers of sheer bliss under the leadership of Mr Benham. True others have done good. But thanks a lot to the dude that has ****ed up the great days we have had at GP.
 

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Well from where I 'm seeing things is the last threeyears I have been walking round thinking " how well things have been going at GP. The whole set up from the academy upwards. We have a fantastic owner that actually cares. We have people in position that can identify and sign good skilfull players" Griffin park has never been so good in my lifetime. and we all need to thank Matthew Benham for that. Nobody has done or will ever do what he has done for our club. Seems we have a judas in the camp, not only has MB been let down, but so have al us bees fans. I have never felt so down since the days of Ron Noades. Three yers of sheer bliss under the leadership of Mr Benham. True others have done good. But thanks a lot to the dude that has ****ed up the great days we have had at GP.
Who, pray, is that?
 
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Oh my Lord.....

No he had a VETO on the recruitment of players. However that is not the point.

I repeat: "The press are reporting that the issue is that the manager is being forced to sign players he has never seen - the implication being that theowner is a mad, meddling know-nothing in the same vein as Vincent Tan etc. "

Can someone else have a go please? I've tried my best.
Just doing a couple of press ups light stretch,bud pants firmly pulled up yep I'm ready ...Ok who wants some?
 

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But he's probably the only one who has said anything who Actually knows what is going on. Who else is there to believe? Anything else is probably either from someone guessing or being mischievous.
Just listened to it and it closed with:
Billy: "So you can confirm it was nothing to do with bringing players in"
MW: answers different questions.

You are a clever person, you can work it out. But to help you there are little snippets MW says e.g. "too good a group of players", "happy to bring in players that can contribute on the pitch and off the pitch - subtext "I have a tight-knit team and don't want that upsetting no matter how good a player that comes in is on-the-pitch"

However there are a couple of little interesting snippets: talking about the statement MW says that it was meant to be last week but "a couple of questions remain" - so it looks like a statement is being thrashed out between MW and the club and then (as MW says) "clarity given - sure it will be this week"

Interesting.....
 

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Oh my Lord.....

No he had a VETO on the recruitment of players. However that is not the point.

I repeat: "The press are reporting that the issue is that the manager is being forced to sign players he has never seen - the implication being that the owner is a mad, meddling know-nothing in the same vein as Vincent Tan etc. "

Can someone else have a go please? I've tried my best.
I get your point, I think perhaps Macleod would have illustrated your point a bit better but that's just splitting hairs.

However what i don't get is where the recruitment model has gone wrong, it worked fine in the summer and got us a squad that has been sat in the play offs for the bulk of the season. So what has changed? If MW's ability to veto players has been diminished then the dynamic has changed. If MW has decided a couple of players that were identified were not suitable in his opinion then in the current recruitment model this suggests he is in a position to say he doesn't want those players if he has veto on signings.
 

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Oh not this nonsense!

Did he see Jota before he was signed? How about Tebar?

All this is the press being briefed with half-truths off-the-record.
It's my guess that you don't know the answer to these questions any more than I do!
 

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is it inevitable that Warbs takes us up he will then be sacked when we're bottom next season?

Matthew, please ensure this doesn't happen even if we are miles adrift. We will not get anyone better, but I know the Johnny-come-latelies will be baying for his head after 10 games...
Totally ridiculous if he's not with us even if we're relegated. Esatblishing ourselves in prem will take at least one relegation along the way.

I feel so strongly about this that I can see myself walking away if short-termism wins the day.

Matthew, please, please let my trust in you not be misplaced
thank you
 

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We have a small stadium. We have (by Championship standards) a small fan base. I have been going to GP since 1976 & apart from this year have been for 1 season in Div3/4. Like a lot of people on here, I have seen some dreadful teams, crowds & football.

There is only 1 way that this club is going forward & that is under Benhams stewardship. This bloke has bankrolled us & bankrolled us in a way which attempts to make us a more sustainable club. I don't know the fella at all, but he comes across as (like all of us) a fan - albeit a fan who has made a lot of money.

Anyone who thinks Benham is the problem and not the solution is IMO deluded.
 
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I think you have two very clever and successful people at loggerheads. Without Matthew we were stumped. As a bees fan, think where we were and where we are now. Agree with Matthew on the deals in January. Push, we could have done it. Now to Mark, he has a team and you could see that Tuesday. It's horrible.
 

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As unpalatable as it might seem now, lets just get rid of MW asap and move on. Otherwise it's just going to become a festering sore. If that means a temp manager until the summer, then so be it. We're not in trouble in terms of relegation and the players need to realise who pays their wages.
 

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20th December 2014 23:15 #280
is it inevitable that Warbs takes us up he will then be sacked when we're bottom next season?

Matthew, please ensure this doesn't happen even if we are miles adrift. We will not get anyone better, but I know the Johnny-come-latelies will be baying for his head after 10 games...
Totally ridiculous if he's not with us even if we're relegated. Esatblishing ourselves in prem will take at least one relegation along the way.

I feel so strongly about this that I can see myself walking away if short-termism wins the day.

Matthew, please, please let my trust in you not be misplaced
thank you
Staggering, we haven't gone up and we're not bottom of the prem, other than that you are bang on and are indeed the new Russell Grant, can you tell me if I will find love this weekend and if I might even go on holiday in Sept?
 

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is it inevitable that Warbs takes us up he will then be sacked when we're bottom next season?

Matthew, please ensure this doesn't happen even if we are miles adrift. We will not get anyone better, but I know the Johnny-come-latelies will be baying for his head after 10 games...
Totally ridiculous if he's not with us even if we're relegated. Esatblishing ourselves in prem will take at least one relegation along the way.

I feel so strongly about this that I can see myself walking away if short-termism wins the day.

Matthew, please, please let my trust in you not be misplaced
thank you
'We will not get anyone better'!!! You obviously don't have a grasp of MB ambitions for our club. As good as MW has been (best football I've seen in 43 attending GP), I wouldn't be to sure that he has the experience to keep us in the premiership if we got there. My honest opinion is that we would need someone else to take us to the next level. Take a read..

http://www.theguardian.com/football...ife-after-manager-jacob-steinberg-southampton
 

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is it inevitable that Warbs takes us up he will then be sacked when we're bottom next season?

Matthew, please ensure this doesn't happen even if we are miles adrift. We will not get anyone better, but I know the Johnny-come-latelies will be baying for his head after 10 games...
Totally ridiculous if he's not with us even if we're relegated. Esatblishing ourselves in prem will take at least one relegation along the way.

I feel so strongly about this that I can see myself walking away if short-termism wins the day.

Matthew, please, please let my trust in you not be misplaced
thank you
Mate, after everything MB has done for us how can you not trust the man.

Without him the only premier league you would be aspiring to is the Conference Premier.

Warbs is a great bloke and I'm sad he's going but how can you doubt MB?
 

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Breadman can do one.......
And yes I do go to away games!!!
Grass is green?????? V
 

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is it inevitable that Warbs takes us up he will then be sacked when we're bottom next season?

Matthew, please ensure this doesn't happen even if we are miles adrift. We will not get anyone better, but I know the Johnny-come-latelies will be baying for his head after 10 games...
Totally ridiculous if he's not with us even if we're relegated. Esatblishing ourselves in prem will take at least one relegation along the way.

I feel so strongly about this that I can see myself walking away if short-termism wins the day.

Matthew, please, please let my trust in you not be misplaced
thank you
There will be life/success long after Warburton has gone, whenever that will be. The same cannot be said if Benham leaves, he has hardly put a foot wrong since taking over our club, this has derailed us but we are 100% safe with him in charge
 

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I'm just going to post what I put on Facebook in response to a post that said:

Matthew Benham You Are A Disgrace As An Owner of A Football Club You Say Your A Fan Since 1979 So Why Have You Caused So Much Friction Within The Club When You Could Of Said Everything You Said Within The Last Week At The End Off The Season

My response was:

I don't really get what it is that MB is supposed to have done. He didn't go to the press did he? Check the facts that can be ascertained so far. He and MW have had a disagreement over policy over transfers. MW hasn't been sacked. Someone within the club appears to have blabbed to the papers.

In football, owners and managers have these discussions all of the time. Absolutely nothing would have come from it if someone hadn't opened their mouths. No-one knows who it is, but they have caused a major furore within the club. MW would be none the wiser, we would be none the wiser, and we wouldn't be having this discussion.

So, it has happened. MW appears to be a victim, and fans need to decide whether they agree with him backing the current squad or whether he has it wrong and MB's frustration at not bringing in new players reflects your opinion.

In my opinion, MB is the owner and has every right to impose his will on the club. I don't see how some people have come to the conclusion that MB or MW are at fault. Neither of them are. If there is any way the blabber can be found, I'd seriously take your venom out on that person.
 

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is it inevitable that warbs takes us up he will then be sacked when we're bottom next season?

Matthew, please ensure this doesn't happen even if we are miles adrift. We will not get anyone better, but i know the johnny-come-latelies will be baying for his head after 10 games...
Totally ridiculous if he's not with us even if we're relegated. Esatblishing ourselves in prem will take at least one relegation along the way.

I feel so strongly about this that i can see myself walking away if short-termism wins the day.

Matthew, please, please let my trust in you not be misplaced
thank you
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I get pissed off with all the innuendos trying to discredit MW myself.

Bottom line is there's a disagreement over transfer policy. End of, the details aren't that important in the grand scheme of things.

MW is going. He should go with his head held high and remembered for his superb reign, albeit short reign.

The club is bigger than any individual and MB has transformed BFC from top to bottom

We now need to move on from this episode asap. We have a very bright future under MB. I see this as a blip on the route and move on.
If this is done quickly it's in everyone's interests.
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I get pissed off with all the innuendos trying to discredit MW myself.

Bottom line is there's a disagreement over transfer policy. End of, the details aren't that important in the grand scheme of things.

MW is going. He should go with his head held high and remembered for his superb reign, albeit short reign.

The club is bigger than any individual and MB has transformed BFC from top to bottom

We now need to move on from this episode asap. We have a very bright future under MB. I see this as a blip on the route and move on.
If this is done quickly it's in everyone's interests.
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Agreed!
 

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As unpalatable as it might seem now, lets just get rid of MW asap and move on. Otherwise it's just going to become a festering sore. If that means a temp manager until the summer, then so be it. We're not in trouble in terms of relegation and the players need to realise who pays their wages.
I suspect it will be a long, long time before I read such bollox again. This is about a group of people who have worked their nuts off as a management and player team to achieve the inconceivable. Now they have learnt that the soul and inspiration of that set up is being ripped out of them. Of course this is going to effect performance. "Realise who pays their wages"? What an utter insult. If I was a promising young footballer on the brink of the Premiership, I might well be thinking Matthew Benham can stick his wages and Carlos Kickaball ideas up his arse, and go and play for someone else round about now :shrug:. I'm not of course. I'm mearly a supporter of 43 years who whilst appreciating everything Matthew has done and made possible, refuses to lick his arse on this one. Because I think he is very, very wrong on this occasion. There is a ridiculous mentality that we mustn't upset him. He won't like being critisised. Well I say bollox to that.

As for 'Judas' spilling the beans and being the big bad wolf, well maybe. I've really no idea. Why did he do it - anyone know? Just to throw it out there, before we condemn him completely, is it just possible that he did it because he sees that what is happening is so terribly wrong and unfair on Warbs and the team? :suspect:
 

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I've decided only to accept opinions of Bees fans who are really 'old' or have been on the GPG for a while or have bought me a drink... I won't accept opinions from people with stupid names like 'Buzzettesfriend' who have only been on the GPG for 18 months (WTF). Who are you..???

I love Matthew Benham... but I also Love Mark Warburton.... and more importantly I LOVE BRENTFORD FC... and I LOVE THE WAY WE'VE PLAYED FOR MOST OF THE LAST 18 MONTHS (not under Rosler).

AND I WANT THIS SUCCESS TO CONTINUE..
 

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The soul and inspiration cost money - why can people not see that without the resources provided by the owner, we would've achieved nothing.
 

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Two brilliant minds together created a force not seen at this club for sixty seasons.

Benham wants to offer to buy players to strengthen a squad that the owner wants to give that push for promotion.

The management team want to stick and give it go with what you have.

A difference of opinion, if Warbs can't work with the owners help and money regardless of opinions we are in trouble. This is Warbs team with Benhams cash.

If a compromise can be met by two proud men we could be in business. But ultimately Warbs has to listen to the owner. If Warbs disagrees with the direction Benham wants to go, then sadly Warbs is going in one direction through the exit door.

Warbs without Benham is not as good for his future, Brentford without Benham is not good for anyone's future.
 

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Whether or not todays performance was related to this weeks events one can only surmise. However if the situation is not sorted very quickly what we have achieved will come of the rails..
 
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I suspect it will be a long, long time before I read such bollox again. This is about a group of people who have worked their nuts off as a management and player team to achieve the inconceivable. Now they have learnt that the soul and inspiration of that set up is being ripped out of them. Of course this is going to effect performance. "Realise who pays their wages"? What an utter insult. If I was a promising young footballer on the brink of the Premiership, I might well be thinking Matthew Benham can stick his wages and Carlos Kickaball ideas up his arse, and go and play for someone else round about now :shrug:. I'm not of course. I'm mearly a supporter of 43 years who whilst appreciating everything Matthew has done and made possible, refuses to lick his arse on this one. Because I think he is very, very wrong on this occasion. There is a ridiculous mentality that we mustn't upset him. He won't like being critisised. Well I say bollox to that.






As for 'Judas' spilling the beans and being the big bad wolf, well maybe. I've really no idea. Why did he do it - anyone know? Just to throw it out there, before we condemn him completely, is it just possible that he did it because he sees that what is happening is so terribly wrong and unfair on Warbs and the team? :suspect:
Christ mate you been on it ?have you been asleep all week ?the only thing I can agree with amongst that lot is bollox.i really hope your not putting me in the brown noseing camp as I did start this thread.
 

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The soul and inspiration cost money - why can people not see that without the resources provided by the owner, we would've achieved nothing.
This is it in a nutshell. I simply cannot believe how anyone cannot comprehend this.
 

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The soul and inspiration cost money - why can people not see that without the resources provided by the owner, we would've achieved nothing.
People can see that Sir Les. And appreciate it. There is a bit about that appreciation in my post. It's not hidden. But I happen to believe that for all the god-like things Matthew has done for us, he is not beyond critisism if he makes a massive balls up and by wanting to change what was quite clearly a winning formula, he has, in my opinion, and deserves a piece of my mind. And far from this 'wrap him up in cotton wool and don't upset him' mentality of most supporters, I'll speak my bloody mind and reckon Matthew probably has a thick enough skin to deal with my outburst. :sorted:
 
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Whether or not todays performance was related to this weeks events one can only surmise. However if the situation is not sorted very quickly what we have achieved will come of the rails..
I really believe a lot to do with our performance today was the consequences of not doing what the owner wanted in January,left back,centre back and striker ....does that ring a bell and this was quoted days ago so not in hindsight
 

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I get pissed off with all the innuendos trying to discredit MW myself.
Me too.

I fully understand the MB has put in a fortune line but I for one am sad at how this has developed. MW is not perfect but I'd rate him as the best manager we've had in my time watching Brentford.
 

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