Unsuccessful signings in the Benham Era?

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Amazing when you think about it. From someone who was completely out of his depth who couldn’t manage a lower league Sunday team, to a Premiership
What was the deal with Dijkhuisen? He picked up a decent few points with some bad injuries and people wanting out. Didn’t think we’d hit the heights of the previous season, but thought he’d at least be given the season to see out
 

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What was the deal with Dijkhuisen? He picked up a decent few points with some bad injuries and people wanting out. Didn’t think we’d hit the heights of the previous season, but thought he’d at least be given the season to see out
I think he was at odds with the club in his training and fitness ideas, wanting them to build fitness over the season and being a bit too chill.
 

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I think he was at odds with the club in his training and fitness ideas, wanting them to build fitness over the season and being a bit too chill.
That's what I heard at the time.
Mr Benham was not impressed with his training plans.
Decided on a swift change of head coach.
 
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That's what I heard at the time.
Mr Benham was not impressed with his training plans.
Decided on a swift change of head coach.
"Swift" being the operative word. Most owners/Chairmen wait until Christmas/transfer window/30 games etc before wielding the axe. That way they hope to avoid the blame for making a duff appointment in the first place ("We gave him plenty of time, but it just didn't work out etc").

Whereas Mr. Benham cut his losses the minute it became obvious he was the wrong choice, explicitly holding his hand up for the original decision.
 

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The second time we signed him would’ve coincided with MB taking control. Though nearly every player we signed that season was a dud
Dijkhuisen , I thought that it was quickly realised he had a team of specialists in the backroom , and it was not something he could or would buy into or grasp.
 

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Dijkhuisen , I thought that it was quickly realised he had a team of specialists in the backroom , and it was not something he could or would buy into or grasp.
Eh? I was replying to a post about Nicky Forster
 

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That's what I heard at the time.
Mr Benham was not impressed with his training plans.
Decided on a swift change of head coach.

Training started later in the day and was too relaxed...hence unfit players and a manager who was not respected by a lot of the playing staff.
 

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It rather got airbrushed out by Warburtonmania.
Then again, warburton was tactically positive with the players at their diaposal
 

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Then again, warburton was tactically positive with the players at their diaposal
We were on a run of something like 7 wins and a draw when Uwe left. That was pretty tactically positive. It’s highly likely we’d have gone up had he stayed. The next season? Maybe more cautious but maybe with a similar overall result as we’d have been more defensively robust, which ultimately was the difference between success and failure. I don’t think he’d have told MB to shove his idea of strengthening the squad either. We’ll never know, but MW’s subsequent career makes his time at the Bees look a bit of a purple patch and with the benefit of the best recruitment.
 

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We were on a run of something like 7 wins and a draw when Uwe left. That was pretty tactically positive. It’s highly likely we’d have gone up had he stayed. The next season? Maybe more cautious but maybe with a similar overall result as we’d have been more defensively robust, which ultimately was the difference between success and failure. I don’t think he’d have told MB to shove his idea of strengthening the squad either. We’ll never know, but MW’s subsequent career makes his time at the Bees look a bit of a purple patch and with the benefit of the best recruitment.
I don’t think we would have gone up with rosler. Like the season before He was too negative with team tactics.
Warburton was much more positive and used the players in a manner that fulfilled that.

We were so much more free flowing and exciting once Warburton took leadership
 

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I don’t think we would have gone up with rosler. Like the season before He was too negative with team tactics.
Warburton was much more positive and used the players in a manner that fulfilled that.

We were so much more free flowing and exciting once Warburton took leadership
100% mate. Rosler would of never got us up.warburton would of never taken us this far. Poison little man. Everything works out for the best.
 

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100% mate. Rosler would of never got us up.warburton would of never taken us this far. Poison little man. Everything works out for the best.
Best bit is the man who gave them both their oppertunities is still here and continues to take our club further after they both got too big for their boots and threw it in his face
 

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I think he was at odds with the club in his training and fitness ideas, wanting them to build fitness over the season and being a bit too chill.
It was interesting listening to Sam Saunders interview with Brentford Analytica where Sam said that the players were asking the manager to go for a run.

Quite a few stories emerging from that training camp, some more believable than others. Apparently Rob Rowan reported back that "we are f**ked" before the squad returned after meeting with the players.
 
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I think Rosler was building a team to take us up but there’s no doubting the football became very direct with Clayton playing a sort of target man on the wings at times
 

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I think Rosler was building a team to take us up but there’s no doubting the football became very direct with Clayton playing a sort of target man on the wings at times
We developed a style of play under Uwe, within the squad limitations, but it did end up as pragmatic 'don't lose'. Warburton changed that to a 'sod defending, just outscore the opposition' which was very entertaining at times but not good for the heart, ending up with a core group of favourite picks who were knackered by April. After the Dijkhuisen season, I think there was a reset with a focus on an overall strategy for style of play, presumably based on analysis from Phil Giles' team, which drove recruitment of both coaching and playing staff. A continuous improvement has got us to where we are now.
 
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Warburton changed that to a 'sod defending, just outscore the opposition' which was very entertaining at times but not good for the heart, ending up with a core group of favourite picks who were knackered by April. After the Dijkhuisen season, I think there was a reset with a focus on an overall strategy for style of play, presumably based on analysis from Phil Giles' team, which drove recruitment of both coaching and playing staff. A continuous improvement has got us to where we are now.
I always felt after MD was sacked that there was a change of strategy, either implemented from on high or introduced under Carsley, which was then nullified by the "we don't do defending" attacking approach under DS. Finally under TF we saw the desire to defend woven into our attacking style. It's been good seeing the odd bit of sh*thousery as well!
 

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I always felt after MD was sacked that there was a change of strategy, either implemented from on high or introduced under Carsley, which was then nullified by the "we don't do defending" attacking approach under DS. Finally under TF we saw the desire to defend woven into our attacking style. It's been good seeing the odd bit of sh*thousery as well!
I don’t think that was DS’s approach but he did try to give the attacking players more of a role than Carsley. While we needed to stiffen up generally when Carsley was caretaker his approach was a temporary shoring up deliberately at the cost of attacking flair- away at (iirc) Bolton and Blackburn we ought to have been able to go for a win rather than hanging on for draws. In the absence of Bjelland we didn’t have as good a set of defensive players to use as a foundation as we’d have liked but we did have/get Canos, Jota, Hogan, Vibe and the ability to score.
 

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We developed a style of play under Uwe, within the squad limitations, but it did end up as pragmatic 'don't lose'.
Now i think this is a myth which has been allowed to develop. After the Stevenage debacle, we won 8 and drew 1 of Uwe’s last 9 matches at the club.

2 of the wins (on consecutive Saturday’s, i think) were 5-0 (OK, one of those was against a shall we say “disinterested” Staines Town!)

the only draw in that sequence was 0-0 at Wolves, a cracking game and absolutely no way did we approach that with a “don’t lose” mentality.
 
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Now i think this is a myth which has been allowed to develop. After the Stevenage debacle, we won 8 and drew 1 of Uwe’s last 9 matches at the club.

2 of the wins (on consecutive Saturday’s, i think) were 5-0 (OK, one of those was against a shall we say “disinterested” Staines Town!)

the only draw in that sequence was 0-0 at Wolves, a cracking game and absolutely no way did we approach that with a “don’t lose” mentality.
My point was on the pragmatic style of play compared to his successor, not necessarily the results.
 

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My point was on the pragmatic style of play compared to his successor, not necessarily the results.
The relative merits of the two are perhaps demonstrated by which one MB and the DoFs still ask the opinion of in the context of what the club wants and needs now. Pragmatism plus not being a dickhead seem to be more valued by the club. Particularly when they also deliver similar results.
 

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According to Soccerbase.co.uk, we had Britt Assombalonga with us in 2010, released in April of 2010.
This would have made him about 17 at the time, before signing with Watford.

Is this true?
 
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Surely Ryan Williams has to be up there with the failed signings.
In one sense, yes:
"Ryan is a player who we feel has a lot of unreleased potential and we can really help develop him," Bees co-director of football Phil Giles on signing him:
Brentford sign midfielder Williams

As against that, this thread was prompted by WHU buying Haller for £45m, then punting him out for £20m just 18 months later (14 goals in 54 games).

Considering RW was a free agent and given a one year contract on (presumably) low wages, it could also be seen as a "shot to nothing".
 

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According to Soccerbase.co.uk, we had Britt Assombalonga with us in 2010, released in April of 2010.
This would have made him about 17 at the time, before signing with Watford.

Is this true?

Yes. He didn't impress and was released.
 

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Craig Pead never lived up to the hype his place in the League 2 Team of the Season promised

:fishing:
 

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Best bit is the man who gave them both their oppertunities is still here and continues to take our club further after they both got too big for their boots and threw it in his face
I couldnt stand the football under Rosler and maintain it cost us promotion.

However I would never accuse of him being anything other then very humble and certainly didn't get too big for his boots.
 

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I couldnt stand the football under Rosler and maintain it cost us promotion.

However I would never accuse of him being anything other then very humble and certainly didn't get too big for his boots.
That away loss to Stevenage was something else. I was with mates in Hospitality - yes they had it. All fans who lived out that way and had them as their 2nd team. Christ we were awful. No pace in the side at all. Had Liam Moore at full back iirc. No wait that was a different night. I was in the away end and Clayton scored early on and Button had a moment for the Uwe Inquisition. They bloody well always beat us at their place and there was the 2 missed pens game. Sweet Jesus. Always with the same mates. At least they came to the Brentford Fulham game last season when we murdered the 1 nil. First time they'd seen us win!
 

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I couldnt stand the football under Rosler and maintain it cost us promotion.

However I would never accuse of him being anything other then very humble and certainly didn't get too big for his boots.
He came across as a moody ***** in Germany at one of the tours.

But that doesn’t influence my view that he wasn’t as positive or encouraging enough with the talent he had in his squad
 

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Now i think this is a myth which has been allowed to develop. After the Stevenage debacle, we won 8 and drew 1 of Uwe’s last 9 matches at the club.

2 of the wins (on consecutive Saturday’s, i think) were 5-0 (OK, one of those was against a shall we say “disinterested” Staines Town!)

the only draw in that sequence was 0-0 at Wolves, a cracking game and absolutely no way did we approach that with a “don’t lose” mentality.
The football under uwe was the best we had ever seen up to that point however he was sooo negative when we went in front. The last 8 games he seems to have taken the shackles off and changed the mindset a bit and we were flying, I am a sure we would have gone up had he stayed however warburton was instantly more attack minded.
 

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