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I don’t get this. Which part of him is offside? It can’t be his hand as the rule is it has to be a part of the body you can score with.
The edge of his shirt sleeve I think, as per the latest in a string of rule changes. It's laughable.
 

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I'll be honest, I'm struggling to get my head around that one myself 😳


In law, if that's a penalty then it's a red card, even if accidental. Incredibly harsh but that's how it is 😕


Theres a video sky did with Anthony Taylor last season explaining how they do it:

That's the idea I've been saying when we have a VAR debate down our local.. I didn't realise the Dutch actually did it. It makes complete sense to me that way, just like in cricket where there's a built in bit of latency for an "umpires call".
Issue I think becomes when officials just flag for the sake of flagging just in case the VAR can't see it and they don't want to get it wrong and for it to result in a goal.
 

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Offside is offside even if it's millimetres. Adams was offside.
How do you know? Was the frame taken at the exact millisecond the ball left the players foot? If that was ever so slightly out, then he may have been onside by millimetres. You have to have a margin of doubt when you refer to technology imo.
 

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In law, if that's a penalty then it's a red card, even if accidental. Incredibly harsh but that's how it is 😕
I thought there was this double jeopardy thing now, where you didn't want the crime to be punishable by "penalty + red card", so it had to be really deliberate / cynical to get the double punishment. or was that just last year? i don't pay attention much to be honest...

The thing that really bugs me is when I played the only way to get me down for a penalty was to physically take me out and put me on the deck. Players are encouraged by coaches and pundits to go down at the slightest touch. It's basically cheating when forwards instigate contact in order to "win" a penalty .
they're taught how to win free kicks these days. you see players do it all the time, all over the pitch, just to break play up, relieve pressure, etc. it's not the same at the professional level :(
 

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I thought there was this double jeopardy thing now, where you didn't want the crime to be punishable by "penalty + red card", so it had to be really deliberate / cynical to get the double punishment. or was that just last year? i don't pay attention much to be honest...
That was most likely the intention when it came in, but unfortunately the wording groups accidental trip in the red category 😔
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I genuinely think everyone on the Old Trafford pitch would've forgotten about it within 15 seconds and said nothing more about it if VAR hadn't been in operation last night. And so the debate rages on..
 

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That law basically gives the defending player the right to take out a forward and just receive a yellow card. Yet a player not attempting to play the ball and, in fact, attempting to get out of the way of the player, is given a red card.

As with the ridiculous offside law - that has now changed after the Villa & Man City debacle - the laws need to change asap.

IFAB has been shown up several times now this season alone. Handball, offside, red & yellow cards when awarding a penalty.

VAR has completely lost the plot and what it was meant to be used for.

It needs to be looked at ASAP and its use in the game here stopped until the law makers give proper guidance and how and when it is to be implemented. It’s not helping the refs, the players or the game.
 

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Saints don't want Dean & Mason at games can clubs say no to having certain referees?! I assume weve made the same request with stroud ;)
I don't believe you can but the leagues do look at recent events and try to keep referees away from potential drama and conflicts so you'll not likely see them again at Southampton before April.

But reading the article, that's a strange combination coupled with strange events in the games recently.

Mason in middle of the game where Cash was not penalised with Mike Dean VAR. It was Dean that basically said no to the penalty and did not refer Mason to the screen so the penalty not given.
This time, it's Dean in the middle and Mason on the sideline. Dean, again, gives many decisions against Southampton with Mason seemingly backing him from the sideline (you'd hoped he would be on the same side even if he disagrees).

I've never liked him as a referee, topped by his crap show against Tottenham for us. He is the Zlatan Ibrahimovich, the Cristiano Ronaldo, of the refere world. It's all about him.
 

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VAR needs to be a post match training tool for officials and coaches. It serves no good purpose in the middle of a game.... especially when fans are back in the ground.
 

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Looked like Bednarak kicked Martial on the ankle to me.
In the area. Penalty.

Not sure about a red card.

Offside is offside even if it's millimetres. Adams was offside.
So, Bednarak’s red card has been rescinded. Do the EPL now take a goal off too, so 8-0 instead of 9-0? As the penalty shouldn’t have been awarded either. As a foul wasn’t committed. If it was, then the red card couldn’t have been rescinded, due to the current reading of the Law.
 

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So, Bednarak’s red card has been rescinded. Do the EPL now take a goal off too, so 8-0 instead of 9-0? As the penalty shouldn’t have been awarded either. As a foul wasn’t committed. If it was, then the red card couldn’t have been rescinded, due to the current reading of the Law.
And does martial get a ban for diving?
 

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Watching the Liverpool and Everton game, VAR rightly sends ref to screen who spends 2 seconds to say pen when the guy literally fell over. Even after reviewing the screen!
 

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Watching the Liverpool and Everton game, VAR rightly sends ref to screen who spends 2 seconds to say pen when the guy literally fell over. Even after reviewing the screen!
He fell over the Liverpool player who was lying on the floor. His own fault. Isn't this the Aussie ref? Otherwise, did very well.
 

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Watching the Liverpool and Everton game, VAR rightly sends ref to screen who spends 2 seconds to say pen when the guy literally fell over. Even after reviewing the screen!
Absolutely atrocious. Anyone with half a football brain would know that was not a penalty. He should be made to explain to both managers how he came to arrive at that decision. He should be struck off, embarrassing at best.
 

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Chris Kavanagh reffed our home game against Swansea in play off semi final.
 

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How do you know? Was the frame taken at the exact millisecond the ball left the players foot? If that was ever so slightly out, then he may have been onside by millimetres. You have to have a margin of doubt when you refer to technology imo.
It's actually when the player first touches the ball, not when the ball leavers the player's foot. Your point still stands of course, which is that it is impossible to tell exactly when that happens.
 

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Problem I have with VAR is that they are making too many wrong calls....tonight's game Fulham v Sheff Utd...how does VAR say it is not a pen to Sheff Utd when Fulham keeper takes the player out without playing the ball.....bring back Roger Fitzpatrick (for those that can recall refs with character from the past)... :giggle:
 

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Problem I have with VAR is that they are making too many wrong calls....tonight's game Fulham v Sheff Utd...how does VAR say it is not a pen to Sheff Utd when Fulham keeper takes the player out without playing the ball.....bring back Roger Fitzpatrick (for those that can recall refs with character from the past)... :giggle:
That non penalty was atrocious. Defied belief
 

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Before the Leicester goal it was a foul throw but for some reason var cannot interfere with restarts...
 

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Can somebody explain, in a clear and obvious way, what VAR is supposed to do ?
 

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Problem I have with VAR is that they are making too many wrong calls....tonight's game Fulham v Sheff Utd...how does VAR say it is not a pen to Sheff Utd when Fulham keeper takes the player out without playing the ball.....bring back Roger Fitzpatrick (for those that can recall refs with character from the past)... :giggle:
It was Roger Kirkpatrick. A real character referee
 

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How pathetic is var. lingard goes to celebrate them waits a minute and does it again - how spontaneous the wonderful game is
It might though have been disallowed without VAR. Reckon the lino thought Fornals scored it.
 

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Lewis Dunk had a goal disallowed yesterday.

"Ref can I take a quick free kick" Ref blows whistle to signal yes
Dunk takes free kick and scores
Ref disallows goal as free kick taken too quickly.
Var didn't overrule

Insane
 

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Lewis Dunk had a goal disallowed yesterday.

"Ref can I take a quick free kick" Ref blows whistle to signal yes
Dunk takes free kick and scores
Ref disallows goal as free kick taken too quickly.
Var didn't overrule

Insane
My understanding is that VAR couldn't overrule, as the ref blew the whistle again, just after the free kick was taken. Complete cock up by the ref.
However - Brighton should stop bleating - 2 penalties given and they couldn't score. Those mistakes cost them more.
 

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My understanding is that VAR couldn't overrule, as the ref blew the whistle again, just after the free kick was taken. Complete cock up by the ref.
However - Brighton should stop bleating - 2 penalties given and they couldn't score. Those mistakes cost them more.
But this is nothing to do with the missed penalties, who even mentioned that??? It's just bizarre refereeing. As for VAR not overruling they sent him to look at the pitchside monitor.

So the upshot is play to the referees whistle unless he changes his mind.
 

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Lewis Dunk had a goal disallowed yesterday.

"Ref can I take a quick free kick" Ref blows whistle to signal yes
Dunk takes free kick and scores
Ref disallows goal as free kick taken too quickly.
Var didn't overrule

Insane
You missed out the bit where the ref disallowed the goal, then allowed it and went to kick off, was then asked to review it and then decided to disallow it.

He blew twice. That can be heard, quite clearly. VAR Intervened because they said his second whistle was before the ball crossed the goal-line (this I’d dispute!).

The whole situation was shambolic and embarrassing. The ref was to blame. No one else.

As Dunk said, why isn’t the referee coming out here to explain the actions he took? It’s a joke that refs aren’t miked up as they are in rugby or you cannot hear what is being said to them from the VAR ref as we do with the TMO’s in cricket and rugby.

Football needs to change. Not hide behind a wall and hope it goes away and forgotten about.
 

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You missed out the bit where the ref disallowed the goal, then allowed it and went to kick off, was then asked to review it and then decided to disallow it.

He blew twice. That can be heard, quite clearly. VAR Intervened because they said his second whistle was before the ball crossed the goal-line (this I’d dispute!).

The whole situation was shambolic and embarrassing. The ref was to blame. No one else.

As Dunk said, why isn’t the referee coming out here to explain the actions he took? It’s a joke that refs aren’t miked up as they are in rugby or you cannot hear what is being said to them from the VAR ref as we do with the TMO’s in cricket and rugby.

Football needs to change. Not hide behind a wall and hope it goes away and forgotten about.
Agree it was an utter shambles. A multi million pound industry run and managed by amateurs, when is all this crap going to stop. Don't know about you but its no longer a joke.
 

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This must have been suggested before, surely. Looking at the Werner offside tonight, it suddenly became obvious to me. This is football yes? Offside should be decided by position of feet alone. Front foot of attacker v back foot of defender. Don't know why I didn't think of this before.
 

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IFAB changing handball rule
So Fulham goal last night will be allowed next season

Accidental handball in build up to goal is now changed back to being OK
 

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IFAB changing handball rule
So Fulham goal last night will be allowed next season

Accidental handball in build up to goal is now changed back to being OK
Good - whilst I'm by no means a Fulham fan, I thought that decision last night was so clearly bad and wrong that it actually brought the game of football into disrepute if it was following the rules correctly.
 

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His arm was by his side
He wasnt looking
The Spurs player cleared it from 5 feet away
Complete Accident
 

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His arm was by his side
He wasnt looking
The Spurs player cleared it from 5 feet away
Complete Accident
You're spot on, but I think we all knew that as soon as that ball hit his arm and the goal followed, it had to be ruled out based on the laws as they stood.
 

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VAR used brilliantly in the Burnley v Arsenal game.

Penalty given to Arsenal for a handball on the line by Pieters, who was shown the red card.

Ball had hit his shoulder.

Red card was rescinded, drop ball to Burnley.
 

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VAR used brilliantly in the Burnley v Arsenal game.

Penalty given to Arsenal for a handball on the line by Pieters, who was shown the red card.

Ball had hit his shoulder.

Red card was rescinded, drop ball to Burnley.
But what about the other handball 5-10 minutes earlier?
 

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But what about the other handball 5-10 minutes earlier?
The one that was a metre from his arm? Give over. Never a hand ball. For once, VAR worked in those 3 instances. FINALLY!!

Common sense and understanding the game seems to have been used here, for once!
 

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The one that was a metre from his arm? Give over. Never a hand ball. For once, VAR worked in those 3 instances. FINALLY!!

Common sense and understanding the game seems to have been used here, for once!
I was asking for an opinion. I agree it wasn't handball. I'm literally having this debate with an arsenal fan who can not accept it.
But he's refusing to talk about xhaka and his assist for the equaliser.
 

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so dortmund score a goal last night and it's called back to the VAR to look at a potential penalty in the build up to the goal for Dortmund ! the goal was chalked off and they were given a pen instead..which they missed !
 

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so dortmund score a goal last night and it's called back to the VAR to look at a potential penalty in the build up to the goal for Dortmund ! the goal was chalked off and they were given a pen instead..which they missed !
Wasn’t the penalty then retaken as the keeper was off his line and Dortmund scored?
 

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