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Vitaly Janelt - Signs to June 2024

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Arguably deserves player of the season so far. The likes of Dasilva and Toney will get the headlines, but Janelt is consistently an 8/10 every game and we've seen the impact when we play without him. He will certainly be getting my vote if he continues this form.
 

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So much he does goes unnoticed. I lost count of the amount of interceptions he made last night as Bristol were trying to press forward.
 

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If, hopefully when, we get to PL, he’ll be our first full German international. Unbelievable first season. It’s easy to use hyperbole about our players, but to play with that assurance consistently within weeks of joining us is truly extraordinary. Well done young man 👍🏻
I'm sure he may well be on Loew's radar already as a performer for the U21's.
 

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The philosophy of the club is to encourage everyone to be cocky, and to expand their individual skills within the system of play. That is the unique way of playing, what is an expansionist style, that has enabled Brentford to become a stand out club. When it does go wrong we have to live with it, and accept that allowing players to play without restriction occasionally leads to mistakes. Just look at what has happened to Benrahma at West Ham where Moyes has restricted his play for fear of him losing possession, and in the process has missed out on his cocky dribbling skills. Who knows if he had not been encouraged at Brentford he may not have achieved half of what he has over the past couple of years, and we as spectators would have missed out on many examples of extraordinary passages of play.
I’d hold fire on criticising Moyes’ use of Said. He’s not the carefree maverick of old but does seem to be putting in the hard work becoming a more complete player and being recognised for it. He’s still pretty young and if he can get those defensive, team skills pat, combined with his attacking prowess so his team mates know he can both create and not be a risk of giving it away, he’ll end up a £50m player being courted by the real big boys. He’s starting and contributing positively to a team having a decent go at challenging for a top 4 finish. That’s not too shabby even if the Dildo Brothers are. Once fans are back in I can see him becoming a terrace favourite there.
 

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I’d hold fire on criticising Moyes’ use of Said. He’s not the carefree maverick of old but does seem to be putting in the hard work becoming a more complete player and being recognised for it. He’s still pretty young and if he can get those defensive, team skills pat, combined with his attacking prowess so his team mates know he can both create and not be a risk of giving it away, he’ll end up a £50m player being courted by the real big boys. He’s starting and contributing positively to a team having a decent go at challenging for a top 4 finish. That’s not too shabby even if the Dildo Brothers are. Once fans are back in I can see him becoming a terrace favourite there.
You may well not be wrong, however, what I was attempting to illustrate was that at Brentford providing the play is within the bounds of the system individual players are encouraged to push themselves to find the limits of their abilities. They are not restricted in a way that would inhibit the expansion of their own unique skills. A 'cocky' confident player who plays without fear will be more likely to achieve self development, and become a better player. This philosophy is I believe unique to Brentford, and could be why many of those who have starred at Brentford have failed to reproduce it somewhere else. It was not my intention to criticise Moyes who currently is doing rather well operating in his own way, but so far West Ham have been largely deprived of a rampant Benrahma producing moments of magic.
 

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He was my MOM last night. Did so much unseen work. He kept the ball so simple in the middle and is now a real outlet in that deep area (not seen since Woods IMO). I would love to see his stats last night especially interceptions and completed passes.

Superb signing.

Shame that Brexit may mean that finding these gems will be harder.
 

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He was my MOM last night. Did so much unseen work. He kept the ball so simple in the middle and is now a real outlet in that deep area (not seen since Woods IMO). I would love to see his stats last night especially interceptions and completed passes.

Superb signing.

Shame that Brexit may mean that finding these gems will be harder.
You can find them here..

 

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He was my MOM last night. Did so much unseen work. He kept the ball so simple in the middle and is now a real outlet in that deep area (not seen since Woods IMO). I would love to see his stats last night especially interceptions and completed passes.
I think Janelt plays further forward than Woods did, only dropping deeper when Raya has the ball or tracking an attacker. Probably because he's so much more mobile and loves to put in a tackle. When Nørgaard's back, I think we'll see a step up as well. A great pair to have (cue Bigbee).
 

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So much he does goes unnoticed. I lost count of the amount of interceptions he made last night as Bristol were trying to press forward.
...........yep..........the new JD............
 

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Arguably deserves player of the season so far. The likes of Dasilva and Toney will get the headlines, but Janelt is consistently an 8/10 every game and we've seen the impact when we play without him. He will certainly be getting my vote if he continues this form.
Completely agree. I first heard rumours about this signing a couple of days before he signed. Still remember when he was confirmed early on a Saturday morning many thought it was a B signing and even the DoFs thought it would take time for him to settle in England. Day after we confirmed his signing we lost 4-2 at home to Preston and Norgaard injured for a while. Wasn't look good. Has been exceptional since. Keeps us ever so solid and such an instrumental part of our play and team. Probably IMO our best signing ever purely how much we paid for him and what he has delivered.
 

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He was my MOM last night. Did so much unseen work. He kept the ball so simple in the middle and is now a real outlet in that deep area (not seen since Woods IMO). I would love to see his stats last night especially interceptions and completed passes.

Superb signing.

Shame that Brexit may mean that finding these gems will be harder.
Light years ahead of Woods,so much more to his game,and a nett 5 million difference or thereabouts.
Fantastic business.
 

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TF was really singing his praises post-brizzle, described him as an absolute machine. If speed of adaption to the efl is a measure of quality for overseas signings then he's probably the best yet as he slotted straight in like he'd been playing for us for years.
 

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Light years ahead of Woods,so much more to his game,and a nett 5 million difference or thereabouts.
Fantastic business.
Im not comparing the two directly. Hes the first midfielder since Ryan that looks for the ball off the keeper and back four and recycles it as well as Ryan did in his time with us.
 

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Completely agree. I first heard rumours about this signing a couple of days before he signed. Still remember when he was confirmed early on a Saturday morning many thought it was a B signing and even the DoFs thought it would take time for him to settle in England. Day after we confirmed his signing we lost 4-2 at home to Preston and Norgaard injured for a while. Wasn't look good. Has been exceptional since. Keeps us ever so solid and such an instrumental part of our play and team. Probably IMO our best signing ever purely how much we paid for him and what he has delivered.
His first game for the club very soon after arrived was for the B Team and he was complete rubbish. A week later playing for the First Team he was a complete revaluation, magic. Agree he is atop signing.
 

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Completely agree. I first heard rumours about this signing a couple of days before he signed. Still remember when he was confirmed early on a Saturday morning many thought it was a B signing and even the DoFs thought it would take time for him to settle in England. Day after we confirmed his signing we lost 4-2 at home to Preston and Norgaard injured for a while. Wasn't look good. Has been exceptional since. Keeps us ever so solid and such an instrumental part of our play and team. Probably IMO our best signing ever purely how much we paid for him and what he has delivered.
His first game for the club very soon after he arrived was for the B Team and he was complete rubbish. A week later playing for the First Team he was a complete revaluation, magic. Agree he is atop signing
 

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His first game for the club very soon after arrived was for the B Team and he was complete rubbish. A week later playing for the First Team he was a complete revaluation, magic. Agree he is atop signing.
£15M??
DoFs working their magic again!!! 😀
 

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Im not comparing the two directly. Hes the first midfielder since Ryan that looks for the ball off the keeper and back four and recycles it as well as Ryan did in his time with us.
Have you forgotten Nørgaard? Both Christian and Vitaly are players dedicated to the single holding player role in a 4-3-3, as well as subsequent B Team recruits. That combines high defensive attributes with covering back 4 positions that go forward and includes recycling.
 

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Interesting comparisons with Woods who was also comfortable collecting the ball from the keeper and distributing effectively. Woods also had the ability to run past opposition players in deep positions thus creating space in midfield for others. VJ also offers a different dimension going forward with penetrating passes, good execution of corners and free kicks plus a kick like a mule. I'm sure there will be games before season's end where VJ, CN, and VJ line up together. Look forward to that.
 

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If we had 2 VJs, it would be nice, but playing 3 DFs would be a tad too defensive for my liking.
Each man-marking, just like Colin will do today.
 
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I like Janelt and think he has been a revelation of sorts, I don't think we've had a back-up defensive midfielder as good as him....I do think that for what he has in energy and drive he loses a bit in terms of composure and decision making, but I hope that will come in time, especially when he gets to play alongside Norgaard regularly who is one of the very best in the Championship in terms of decision making and compsure on the ball (and everything else, too)
 

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I like Janelt and think he has been a revelation of sorts, I don't think we've had a back-up defensive midfielder as good as him....I do think that for what he has in energy and drive he loses a bit in terms of composure and decision making, but I hope that will come in time, especially when he gets to play alongside Norgaard regularly who is one of the very best in the Championship in terms of decision making and compsure on the ball (and everything else, too)
As per your blog, if we’re playing 424, VJ and CN make a perfect pairing in midfield. Perhaps slightly too defensive against most Championship clubs but a must against the top teams if we go up. It can work while all the front 4 are disciplined about coming back to avoid being isolated.
 

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As per your blog, if we’re playing 424, VJ and CN make a perfect pairing in midfield. Perhaps slightly too defensive against most Championship clubs but a must against the top teams if we go up. It can work while all the front 4 are disciplined about coming back to avoid being isolated.
You think it’s more defensive to replace a midfielder with an extra 9?
 
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As per your blog, if we’re playing 424, VJ and CN make a perfect pairing in midfield. Perhaps slightly too defensive against most Championship clubs but a must against the top teams if we go up. It can work while all the front 4 are disciplined about coming back to avoid being isolated.
I wouldn't say too defensive as it gives Henry and Dalsgaard licence to attack, Dalsgaard specifically is better going forward than sticking back imo. But also Norgaard is an underrated playmaker and could definitely push forward leaving Janelt to shield the defence, plus Norgaard is a master at pressing and I think we miss his ability to win the ball high up the pitch
 

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IMO Janelt and Norgaard are capable of playing in one of the non DCM roles, whilst that may be their natural position they both have the attributes to pass, move, create, along with their defensive abilities and therefore there is no need to pigeon hole them. A midfield 3 of JDS, CN and VJ with Jensen, Marcondes and Ghoddos on the bench for back up/rotation and we win the league at a canter.
 

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Have you forgotten Nørgaard? Both Christian and Vitaly are players dedicated to the single holding player role in a 4-3-3, as well as subsequent B Team recruits. That combines high defensive attributes with covering back 4 positions that go forward and includes recycling.
No i havent. Its my belief that we miss a deep collector of the ball and VJ has been very good at this in recent weeks. CN didnt do it all the time.
 

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No i havent. Its my belief that we miss a deep collector of the ball and VJ has been very good at this in recent weeks. CN didnt do it all the time.
Surely you're not inferring a preference for Janelt over Nørgaard? With Raya, the need to have someone in front of the penalty area is somewhat reduced. We progress the ball up the pitch very differently now, with a lot more options. There's no need to have a player fiddling around in our own half when the objective is to get it moving quickly where possible, not an interim pass it to someone on the half-way line.

For example, it is quite common for both full backs to be on the half-way like, plus the DHM, but one of the 8's drops to the full back position to receive. The means either, in the case of Jensen, most of the pitch is within view for a long pass, or, with Dasilva, he can make a progressive run from deep.
 

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Surely you're not inferring a preference for Janelt over Nørgaard? With Raya, the need to have someone in front of the penalty area is somewhat reduced. We progress the ball up the pitch very differently now, with a lot more options. There's no need to have a player fiddling around in our own half when the objective is to get it moving quickly where possible, not an interim pass it to someone on the half-way line.

For example, it is quite common for both full backs to be on the half-way like, plus the DHM, but one of the 8's drops to the full back position to receive. The means either, in the case of Jensen, most of the pitch is within view for a long pass, or, with Dasilva, he can make a progressive run from deep.
No im not mate.

My preference is to see the ball being taken off Raya deep as well as how you have described our change in play. With VJ we seem to have that option as well as the options you mention. But theres no way he would start ehead of CN.

Its been so long since i saw CN play i cant remember if it was a feature of his play as well. I seem to remember he didnt drop as much.

VJ has really impressed me in the last few weeks.
 

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This guy is undroppable at the moment, even with Nørgaard fully fit I can't see how he will start ahead of Janet unless his form dips off. An amazing 'problem' to have as the pair of them are absolute class.
 

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Liked the commentary when they asked if Janet and Raya had had a falling out ... after the near own goal 😂😂😂
 

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Interesting comparisons with Woods who was also comfortable collecting the ball from the keeper and distributing effectively. Woods also had the ability to run past opposition players in deep positions thus creating space in midfield for others. VJ also offers a different dimension going forward with penetrating passes, good execution of corners and free kicks plus a kick like a mule. I'm sure there will be games before season's end where VJ, CN, and VJ line up together. Look forward to that.
Yu missed out his physicality, he can mix it and win. Woods never could. He is as strong as a bull, must be a nightmare to play against.
 

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As others have said this lad's form has made it a case of Norgaad needing to earn his place back in the starting XI - who would ever have thought that??
 

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He is a constant 8 out of 10 performer. As I have said previously would like to see him play with Norsgaard and Dasilva in midfield, we would be untouchable. Janelt makes us tick and means that we have not missed another top player in Norsgaard being out injured.
Norsgaard won't be able to play until the next transfer window.
 

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As others have said this lad's form has made it a case of Norgaad needing to earn his place back in the starting XI - who would ever have thought that??
Norgaad won't be able to play before the next transfer window
 

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He's such a good player but with Norgaard coming back, he could do with a rest.
Yes but right now for the big games Vitaly starts. Amazing I am writing this because despite our front 3 last year for me Norgaard was my player of the season.

As I said last night - Vitaly for me has been our best signing ever as without him I am not sure we would be top 2.
 

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Yes but right now for the big games Vitaly starts. Amazing I am writing this because despite our front 3 last year for me Norgaard was my player of the season.

As I said last night - Vitaly for me has been our best signing ever as without him I am not sure we would be top 2.
As good as Janelt has been, that glimpse of Norgaard against Newcastle was enough to remind us that he's an excellent excellent player too. You'd have to play both, with Jensen or JDS as the tough decision, for me...
 

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As good as Janelt has been, that glimpse of Norgaard against Newcastle was enough to remind us that he's an excellent excellent player too. You'd have to play both, with Jensen or JDS as the tough decision, for me...
I don't think anyone is doubting what an exceptional player Norgaard is. It more how Janelt has come into the side and right now is undroppable. In that Newscatle game JDS was the best player on the pitch and Jensen has been excellent for us. Let's not forget how improved Ghoddos has been in recent games. It's a pleasant and good dilemma for TF. I am sure TF will make the right call between now and the end of the season.
 

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