Wigan Athletic Enter Administration

[TW3Bee]

they will be desperate to finish 12 points clear of relegation obviously now.

Then start next season on -12.

 

[beebopalula]

They are going to be up for this now...

i,d say the reverse. How can you motivate yourself when you might be out of a job and/ be in League 1.? Hammer blow.

 

[Bixer]

oh my word. and they were on such a good run too! that is really disappointing for them.

also potentially bad news for us - they will be desperate to finish 12 points clear of relegation obviously now. They'll have 4 points to make up currently... and based on their current run they will totally believe they can do it. They'll be playing for their lives.

I wondered that...or I wonder if they'd particularly care? You'd assume a lot of their better players probably know they don't have much in the way of a future there now?

 

[vcmazz]

F*** em. Never forgiven them for ruining the last days of my youth in 1985. Can't we just sign their first team squad before Saturday?

 

[Sultan]

What if they don't complete the season and their playing record expunged, how will that affect things?

 

[TW3Bee]

What if they don't complete the season and their playing record expunged, how will that affect things?

No danger of that at this late stage.

 

[Herbert]

They only stopped getting parachute payments two years ago..... unbelievable mismanagement.

Is Whelans grandson still chairman?

 

[Vid]

Once again players & supporters see their team possibly relegated through no fault of their own. The EFL have to take responsibility at how clubs are administered. Maybe run the league as a franchise.

 

[SpiderBee]

Once again players & supporters see their team possibly relegated through no fault of their own. The EFL have to take responsibility at how clubs are administered. Maybe run the league as a franchise.

Whelan snr sold them and they were immediately sold again. Coffee smell wake up FL

 

[rdc]

Sheffield Wendys could be next - apparently their owner Chansiri having to put in 100k PER DAY and some players not paid today - could severely impact us if they can't be arsed against WBA later.

https://www.owlstalk.co.uk/forums/topic/290511-swfc-finances-a-major-worry/#comments

 

[clactonbee]

They are the first of many that will go. How can clubs in League One and Two expect to pay wages when they have no income.
They only just keep going in normal times.
Brentford would have been in the same position if we had not been saved by Matthew.
Big trouble to come in the next few weeks for most small clubs unless people are allowed into stadiums.

 

[Ealing Bee]

Once again players & supporters see their team possibly relegated through no fault of their own. The EFL have to take responsibility at how clubs are administered. Maybe run the league as a franchise.

It might not be the "fault" (responsibility) of fans or players when this happens (though I can't recall many fans protesting against their club signing a player on the basis that "We can't afford him").

But there has to be some penalty to prevent uncaring/idiotic/unscrupulous owners just spending money they shouldn't, then walking away when it all goes tits up.

And as we've seen for years now (eg QPR), financial penalties aren't good enough, especially for clubs which actually go into administration, where by definition you can't/won't get your money back anyway.

 

[Adam]

Hopefully a few of their key players walk out before Saturday :shrug:

 

[Nada Bee]

Hopefully a few of their key players walk out before Saturday :shrug:

One for the administrators to decide i'd imagine.

 

[Gee Bee]

Being reported that deduction will come in place this season, official statement on EFL website

 

[kevalutonbee]

Sheffield Wendys could be next - apparently their owner Chansiri having to put in 100k PER DAY and some players not paid today - could severely impact us if they can't be arsed against WBA later.

https://www.owlstalk.co.uk/forums/topic/290511-swfc-finances-a-major-worry/#comments

Unless that is COVID related, how on earth are they in a position where they owner needs to put in £36.5 million a year?

Edit: just looked at the link. All I am going to say is

 

[gbems92]

Sheffield Wendys could be next - apparently their owner Chansiri having to put in 100k PER DAY and some players not paid today - could severely impact us if they can't be arsed against WBA later.

https://www.owlstalk.co.uk/forums/topic/290511-swfc-finances-a-major-worry/#comments

Its fine the chairman has promised to pay them what is owed and a bonus if they win today

 

[davidccpigeons]

Hopefully a few of their key players walk out before Saturday :shrug:

Fire Sale more likely - administrators will want their fee before anything else apart from the tax man who get first dibs..

 

[Banana]

Fire Sale more likely - administrators will want their fee before anything else apart from the tax man who get first dibs..

Tax man does not get first dibs. In September 2003 the Inland Revenue and VAT's preferential status was abolished under the Enterprise Act 2002.

They get back their status in Dec 2020 however.

 

[grutter]

Its fine the chairman has promised to pay them what is owed and a bonus if they win today

What? Our chairman (or owner)?
lol

 

[davidccpigeons]

Tax man does not get first dibs. In September 2003 the Inland Revenue and VAT's preferential status was abolished under the Enterprise Act 2002.

They get back their status in Dec 2020 however.

Thanks for clarifying. Thought it was back already. Think a lot of people will take 'advantage' of going bust before December, then!

 

[kevalutonbee]

Tax man does not get first dibs. In September 2003 the Inland Revenue and VAT's preferential status was abolished under the Enterprise Act 2002.

They get back their status in Dec 2020 however.

Don't "football" debts get settled first and the HMRC stand in line like every one else?

 

[mhead bee]

Current owners only in place a few weeks and club losing circa £9m pa so need significant funding. By going into administration they will significantly reduce their liabilities.

Simon Jordan does not accept Covid-19 as a reason and believes it to be somewhat sharp practice, points out missing just a few home games only amounts to a small amount of money in comparison with the overall losses.

I think he is probably right as he nearly always is.

 

[Invipai]

I'm in the camp that reckon they'll be fired up, a couple of their players have already come out and said something to that effect. They clearly have ability and team spirit, I reckon they'll see it as a 'fighting against the odds' story. They're also 4 points off safety, not 10 or 11, they can do it and they know that!

As said earlier, we just have to go out and beat them. Feel for them yes, but let them recover in their own time. I hope that they do it...but not by beating us.

 

[kevalutonbee]

a couple of their players have already come out and said something to that effect.

Hardly likely to say they were fed up and were going to roll over and have their tummies tickled were they?

 

[Ealing Bee]

Latest from the BBC:
However, when asked by BBC Radio Manchester how big an impact the coronavirus pandemic has had on the situation, [Administrator Paul] Stanley said: "I don't think it's played a massive part in terms of the way the club's been run, because the club's been run very well.

"The funding that was due to come in from the [new] owners didn't come in. I've had no contact with the owners and I don't know why the funding didn't come in. It might be coronavirus-related, I just don't know."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53247333

 

[Brentford_till_die]

Don't we prefer clubs who come looking to win rather than park the bus?

yes.

 

[kaebess]

It might not be the "fault" (responsibility) of fans or players when this happens (though I can't recall many fans protesting against their club signing a player on the basis that "We can't afford him").

But there has to be some penalty to prevent uncaring/idiotic/unscrupulous owners just spending money they shouldn't, then walking away when it all goes tits up.

And as we've seen for years now (eg QPR), financial penalties aren't good enough, especially for clubs which actually go into administration, where by definition you can't/won't get your money back anyway.

I agree, the only way I can see to deal with this is an upfront bond made at the time of purchase by the purchasing body. Would change the game overnight

 

[exeter fan]

Crikey, the Wednesday thread is worrying. A major theme is that the losses aren’t the 100k per day in the headline.

It’s all rubbish they say - because when you do the figures the losses only work out at 75k per day over three years - so just relax and ignore the story.

Just 75k per day for three years, works out at less than £100 million, so what’s the problem?

 

[kaebess]

Crikey, the Wednesday thread is worrying. A major theme is that the losses aren’t the 100k per day in the headline.

It’s all rubbish they say - because when you do the figures the losses only work out at 75k per day over three years - so just relax and ignore the story.

Just 75k per day for three years, works out at less than £100 million, so what’s the problem?

There is no problem, as long as it is someone else’s money.

 

[rebus]

i,d say the reverse. How can you motivate yourself when you might be out of a job and/ be in League 1.? Hammer blow.

You’re playing for a contact elsewhere. This could be our toughest game or they will collapse. Very hard to call this one, even before today’s news.

 

[hypa123]

I'm in the camp that reckon they'll be fired up, a couple of their players have already come out and said something to that effect. They clearly have ability and team spirit, I reckon they'll see it as a 'fighting against the odds' story. They're also 4 points off safety, not 10 or 11, they can do it and they know that!

As said earlier, we just have to go out and beat them. Feel for them yes, but let them recover in their own time. I hope that they do it...but not by beating us.

There's bound to be the thought nagging at the back of Wigan players' minds even while they're playing: Will they still be at this club next season? Will the club still be in the Championship?

That said, it's better that they field a team performing to the peak of their ability and that Brentford beat them fair and square.

 

[mhead bee]

There's bound to be the thought nagging at the back of Wigan players' minds even while they're playing: Will they still be at this club next season? Will the club still be in the Championship?

That said, it's better that they field a team performing to the peak of their ability and that Brentford beat them fair and square.

When I played football and obviously I wasn't a pro, when the game started I never used to think about what I was going to do after the game let alone that night or next season. I doubt they will be too distracted for 90 mins.

 

[kevalutonbee]

There's bound to be the thought nagging at the back of Wigan players' minds even while they're playing: Will they still be at this club next season? Will the club still be in the Championship?

That said, it's better that they field a team performing to the peak of their ability and that Brentford beat them fair and square.

I strongly suspect a few of them already know the answer to that

 

[Babbelfish]

Since news of administration broke,Wigan’s odds of beating us have lengthened a bit to 6/1 (Skybet). Seems v high, given their current form.

 

[Invipai]

Honestly it's hard to predict whether it will make the game easier or harder for us, but my worry/instinct is it will actually make the game harder. It will galvanise them (it's absolutely none of the squads fault in any way remember) when they may have been about to start to relax somewhat being 8 points clear.

We just need to do our bit, show no sympathy unfortunately.

 

[pompeybee]

Since news of administration broke,Wigan’s odds of beating us have lengthened a bit to 6/1 (Skybet). Seems v high, given their current form.

Seems v low, given our current form!

 

[Mr Cynical]

Honestly it's hard to predict whether it will make the game easier or harder for us, but my worry/instinct is it will actually make the game harder. It will galvanise them (it's absolutely none of the squads fault in any way remember) when they may have been about to start to relax somewhat being 8 points clear.

We just need to do our bit, show no sympathy unfortunately.

Could have the opposite effect? They've put all that effort in over the last few months and suddenly they're back to square one, potentially not being paid etc etc.. Quite demoralising I'd have thought. Anyway, doesn't really change the fact that we need to beat them and that at our best we're more than capable of that..

 

[GABS]

If we do what we do best, we'll win.

 

[Banana]

Hopefully it means that any hotel overnighter isn't happening any more, instead they will each by cycling down on the day

 

[hanworthbee]

Didn't think hotel overnights were happening anyway ? Anyway I think this is excellent news for sat...players won't give a sh*t anymore

 

[TW3Bee]

Didn't think hotel overnights were happening anyway ? Anyway I think this is excellent news for sat...players won't give a sh*t anymore

Or they'll try even harder.

 

[teesbee]

Hopefully it means that any hotel overnighter isn't happening any more, instead they will each by cycling down on the day

Hoop and stick.

 

[Jezybee]

Any business run by the Administrator can’t be a fun place to be.

Suppliers will want paying in advance. Catering, travel, physio / medical consumables etc etc Can they even afford this?

Will the training ground be open? Non-playing staff sent home immediately with only those needed by the administrator called back in.

Players distracted on the phone to agents to find them new clubs.

Some serious straw clutching on my part, I know.

 

[JANORAK]

Didn't think hotel overnights were happening anyway ? Anyway I think this is excellent news for sat...players won't give a sh*t anymore

We could tell the EFL that everybody will save all round by them awarding us a 1-0 win and 3 points....

 

[beebopalula]

You’re playing for a contact elsewhere. This could be our toughest game or they will collapse. Very hard to call this one, even before today’s news.

Classic example of demotivation was when Noades informed half of our squad that their contracts wouldnt be renewed before our playoff with Stoke.

 

[Ealing Bee]

On this issue of the likely effect on their players of going into Administration - inspire them to greater efforts, or depress them - perhaps we should simply ask ourselves this simple question.

If you were offered the chance to tell the Wigan players this morning that: "Your club has gone bust, you will possibly be docked 12 points leading to likely relegation, oh and you are on notice for your job, at a time when all clubs are struggling financially", would you have taken it?

Or would you have buried the bad news until after the weekend?

I know which I would choose.

(The former, if anyone's still unsure)

 

[Vid]

They are too late to travel on t' canal thy knows.

This is a trip of 254 miles, 2½ furlongs and 179 locks from Wigan Dry Dock Visitor Moorings to Brentford Marina.

This will take 129 hours which is 18 days, 3 hours at 7 hours per day.

 

[Babbelfish]

They are too late to travel on t' canal thy knows.

This is a trip of 254 miles, 2½ furlongs and 179 locks from Wigan Dry Dock Visitor Moorings to Brentford Marina.

This will take 129 hours which is 18 days, 3 hours at 7 hours per day.

Supporters’ boat trip next year! In the unlikely event that we are in the same division

 

[ruislip bee]

When I played football and obviously I wasn't a pro, when the game started I never used to think about what I was going to do after the game let alone that night or next season. I doubt they will be too distracted for 90 mins.

Yep totally agree. I was the same. It was my escape from work and every day dross.