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They knew weeks before.Classic example of demotivation was when Noades informed half of our squad that their contracts wouldnt be renewed before our playoff with Stoke.
They knew weeks before.Classic example of demotivation was when Noades informed half of our squad that their contracts wouldnt be renewed before our playoff with Stoke.
If the 12 points deduction makes them in the final relegation places this season, then the 12 points will not be enforced, and they will start next season with the 12 points deduction.With regards to the talk of them being fired up or not, do people not suspect that the players may have known this was coming for a while? Hence their recent form to try and make up those points.
Announcing it on the 1st July may have been a ploy by their board to claim it is "next season" and therefore get the dedication at the start of the actual next season, it's not worked, but the players were already expecting it.
This is incorrect.If the 12 points deduction makes them in the final relegation places this season, then the 12 points will not be enforced,
Wrong totally the other way around. If they avoid relegation results wise the 12 point deduction will be inflicted this season thus relegating them. If they go down anyway it will be inflicted next season thus they start -12pts. Who told you otherwise?If the 12 points deduction makes them in the final relegation places this season, then the 12 points will not be enforced, and they will start next season with the 12 points deduction.
If the 12 points when deducted this season, does not put them in the final relegation places,then the 12 points will be enforced for this season.
So essentially Wigan are safe in the current season from any deduction making them relegated.They can only be relegated this season through their actual results, not from any points deduction!
Good point.With regards to the talk of them being fired up or not, do people not suspect that the players may have known this was coming for a while? Hence their recent form to try and make up those points.
Announcing it on the 1st July may have been a ploy by their board to claim it is "next season" and therefore get the dedication at the start of the actual next season, it's not worked, but the players were already expecting it.
Either way they are relegated.Wrong totally the other way around. If they avoid relegation results wise the 12 point deduction will be inflicted this season thus relegating them. If they go down anyway it will be inflicted next season thus they start -12pts. Who told you otherwise?
Not if they finish 13 points above the team in 22nd place.Either way they are relegated.
Far from it....Either way they are relegated.
If their GD is good enough 12 would do itNot if they finish 13 points above the team in 22nd place.
I originally heard my version on Sky, so they must have misreported it, or made it sound so complicated that I got it wrong. Either way, apologies.Wrong totally the other way around. If they avoid relegation results wise the 12 point deduction will be inflicted this season thus relegating them. If they go down anyway it will be inflicted next season thus they start -12pts. Who told you otherwise?
No it's not. The only way that the deduction is carried forward to next season is if they would have been relegated anyway, without a points deduction.With 6 games left they could still make up lost ground and get out of the bottom 3. Then the 12 points deduction will apply next season. Is that right?
So if they stayed on 50 points with 6 straight losses and that took them in bottom 3 the 12 points start next season?No it's not. The only way that the deduction is carried forward to next season is if they would have been relegated anyway, without a points deduction.
Thanks for the explanation.@Oceanbee
Wigan are on 50 points
If they stay on 50 ( or one or two) higher and finish in the bottom three.
That would mean the deduction happens next season
Any other scenario means the 12 comes off now.
To be honest 50 would be very unlikely to go down
The reason they do it this way is to stop clubs picking and choosing exactly when to go into Administration in order to avoid a real "punishment".Thanks for the explanation.
It does make you wonder about the fairness of the EFL system for deduction.
Surely, the whole points deduction should be made in the season in which the club went into administration, regardless of league position.
By saying that if on results played, the club is already in the bottom 3, then by deferring the points deduction to next season, the club is getting a double whammy punishment, in my opinion.
Except that it's not a "further punishment".It gets relegated, and then it starts the next season in a lower league with a 12 points disadvantage, further punishing it.
Yes, selfishly I hope the players don’t get paid tomorrow as that will certainly alter their thought process....So the Wigan players must think
We are on 38
Six games left
Only 4 points away from Hull and 5 from Stoke
Both of those teams are dreadful
So we have a great chance to stay up
And start in Championship on nil points
I would expect they were paid on Tuesday, before the administrators got called in.Yes, selfishly I hope the players don’t get paid tomorrow as that will certainly alter their thought process....
Because then there is no punishmentHi Ealing Bee,
Thanks for your comments.
The thing I’m confused about is this.
Suppose you are the bottom club right now, and you go into administration, and you stay that way until the end of the season, say with 38 points as your final tally.
Then why aren’t the 12 points deducted then, and you get relegated with 26 points.
Why do you start the next season in the lower division before the 12 points are deducted?
Thanks.
Yep.But if this situation is the end of the season -
The club is further up the table, goes into administration and at the season end has say 62 points.
12 points are deducted, but this doesn’t put it into the relegation zone. It just ends up further down the league table, but is then starting the new season in the same league on an equal footing with everyone else.
So that seems even less punishment than ending up relegated and starting a new season with 12 points deducted immediately.
But if this situation is the end of the season -Because then there is no punishment
If that happens it will be carried over ?But if this situation is the end of the season -
The club is further up the table, goes into administration and at the season end has say 62 points.
12 points are deducted, but this doesn’t put it into the relegation zone. It just ends up further down the league table, but is then starting the new season in the same league on an equal footing with everyone else.
So that seems even less punishment than ending up relegated and starting a new season with 12 points deducted immediately.
That's the only scenario where I can see that there wouldn't be any consequences, but what else could be done, in such circumstances?But if this situation is the end of the season -
The club is further up the table, goes into administration and at the season end has say 62 points.
12 points are deducted, but this doesn’t put it into the relegation zone. It just ends up further down the league table, but is then starting the new season in the same league on an equal footing with everyone else.
So that seems even less punishment than ending up relegated and starting a new season with 12 points deducted immediately.
No.If that happens it will be carried over ?
I thought it was Boston UnitedI think it all started with maybe Port Vale
They were 15 points from safety so went into admin
The deduction was meaningless
So EFL changed rules if you went onto admin after a certain date near end of season
I think that will get enough points for -12 not to put them in the bottom 3.They are def going down....good riddance
Because it would encourage clubs that are relegated going into administration.Hi Ealing Bee,
Thanks for your comments.
The thing I’m confused about is this.
Suppose you are the bottom club right now, and you go into administration, and you stay that way until the end of the season, say with 38 points as your final tally.
Then why aren’t the 12 points deducted then, and you get relegated with 26 points.
Why do you start the next season in the lower division before the 12 points are deducted?
Thanks.
In a usual season there is a cutoff point (some time in April) where if the club goes into admin after that date it's carried over to the next season in order to avoid the situation you describe.But if this situation is the end of the season -
The club is further up the table, goes into administration and at the season end has say 62 points.
12 points are deducted, but this doesn’t put it into the relegation zone. It just ends up further down the league table, but is then starting the new season in the same league on an equal footing with everyone else.
So that seems even less punishment than ending up relegated and starting a new season with 12 points deducted immediately.
Particularly as they will have had all kind of thoughts running through their mind since the announcement.The Telegraph reporting that the Administrators 'have to find funds' for wages, and also travel costs for this Saturday's match against us. Reading between the lines, that means no travelling the day before, with a hotel stay overnight. Not the ideal preparation for the match!
Bubbish.This is all leading towards a 1-0 win for Wigan.