Karleigh Osborne

[Braemarroad_Bee]

Glad to hear he put in a man of the match performance! I've been one of his critics, so he's proved me wrong for one match anyway, hope he continues to improve!

 

[Wouldbee]

I have to say coming back into what is now a successful and confident side, switching him out to right back and nudging him along as AS does the scales are beginning to fall from my eyes about Karleigh. However sadly for SmithyBee I think he'll still not amount to more tan Gus Hurdle. I hope to be proven wrong.

 

[Markybee]

what is everyones opinion of him???

i think he is useless

 

[Les Beeavinu]

I don't think he'll ever make it as a full back. Not enough quality when attacking. Still expect him to end up a decent centre back though.

 

[Sunbury Bee]

I don't think he'll ever make it as a full back. Not enough quality when attacking. Still expect him to end up a decent centre back though.

 

[Wouldbee]

I don't think he'll ever make it as a full back. Not enough quality when attacking. Still expect him to end up a decent centre back though.

Aaaaaaaah but there's your problem you see. I believe what he lacks- and this is by no means a personal attack on him. He's a bottom tier YTS product who has spent his formative years in crap sides- is Mental strength. I don't believe it's about his physical ability. I think he has a long orad ahead of him before he ever becomes an assured centreback if that is indeed the way it goes as you suggest LessBeeavinu.

 

[LingfieldBee]

Thought he had an alright game today, still believe in his ability

 

[outback_bee]

I don't know about KO. Before he went on loan to the variety, I wasn't too convinced, but at the start today he was pretty bloody good.

He is without a doubt improving. I think he could do a job for us. We are famous for comedy/excellent defending personnel. Sodje and Sonko spring to mind.

 

[Stanley]

Thought he did very well yesterday, got a number of interceptions and tackles in and generally kept his man well marked.

He also made some decent accurate passes into the channels which showed he has improved that aspect of his game.

He's still to learn at RB when to pass and when to run with the ball but that will come with experience.

I would prefer him at RB than CB to be honest and I think he might make that slot his own if Newton is out for any lengthy period.

Seemed to have the crowd on his side as well yesterday which was good to see.

 

[blunstone]

I've seen Osbourne a few times and just don't think he's up to league standard, i know he's still young and had to play alot in the shocking relegation season side, but he has poor ball control, lack of positional sense, and makes far too many mistakes which you can't get away with as a centre-back,

people keep saying he has 'potential' but that applies to players that actually look good in the first place! Michael Owen and Cristiano Ronaldo proved their 'potential' but i don't think Osbourne is going to improve anywhere near enough to be good enough as a league defender,

just the fact that so many people are writing their opinions on Osbourne, is reason to think alot of fans doubt his ability, why do you think we're not writing about the other defenders at the club?! because their decent players...

a rethink maybe???

 

[Westlad]

Just seen Karleighs goal for Eastbourne..... quality :yes: :yes:

Voted in the best 5 for the month.

If he did that at GP in the final minute to win a game there would be some scenes :bound:

 

[Alan D]

Following on his recent goalscoring exploits, maybe he should be converted to a striker.

 

[Gazza Bee]

Thought he was excellent today and kept probably their best player in his pocket so much so that he was eventually subbed. Ok he isn't fantastic going forward but as right-back/centre-back that isn't a massive deal. Hopefully he will get a run of games because I think we all know that physically he can play in the professional game but the question marks are over his concentration levels which have lead to silly mistakes in the past. Well done KO

 

[taybren]

Following on his recent goalscoring exploits, maybe he should be converted to a striker.

 

[shouldbee]

He's quicker than Elder and better in the air, so perhaps you suggestion isn't as daft as it was meant to be ?

 

[BRbee]

He's much improved since his return from loan. Thought he's played quite well last two games

 

[didi]

getting better at right back just hope super kev is giving him some tips

 

[Braemarroad_Bee]

a rethink maybe???

i'm just going on what i saw of KO before this season... sounds like he's played well the last two games so he must have improved!

 

[Holysmit]

First time i've seen him properly this season and all i can say is a massive improvement.

Looked far better, distrubtion still needs a bit of work but if he's prepaired to work on that in training, he can solve that.

He also looks a real threat in the air at set pieces, and I can see him getting a few more goals this seasons.

I really hope he can keep this up.

Good Luck Karleigh.

 

[Markybee]

He's quicker than Elder and better in the air, so perhaps you suggestion isn't as daft as it was meant to be ?

Funnily enough, I was thinking this on the way home. Like at PV last week he has a bit of awareness in the box. If we were losing with mins to go I think Andy might push him up front, like Phillips did at Chester (apparently)

 

[robBEEh]

Karleigh will have his detractors at GP for some time to come because of some of the things that have happened over the last 12 months but he has shown a good level of aptitude at right back in the last 2 games.

It is only 2 games but he deserves a chance somewhere in the 11 and perhaps right back is his place for now.

Considering some of the stick he's had, his recent performances must be sitting pretty nicely with him now and good luck to him

Also, I'm just trying to recall what other defenders have also proved as effective in the opposition area this season

 

[Canadian Bee]

He was very good on Sat, long may it continue etc

 

[TW3Bee]

Looks like the loan spells did him some good.

Well done Karleigh.

That humble pie doesn't taste too bad.

 

[lalalalalalalalalaBooker]

always liked him frankly.
But think he's filled out physically as well as in "in game" stature
excellent game v Darlington

 

[GP200]

.................a good game yesterday.......well done........................

 

[Markybee]

always liked him frankly.
But think he's filled out physically as well as in "in game" stature

Oooh yes, what a wonderful physique the young man has

 

[Brentford_till_die]

Always believed in Karleigh when a lot of others were quick to slate him.
Played magnificent away at Port Vale last week, and this Saturday was another great performance.
Warranted with two goals. Well done KO and keep it going. !

 

[SmiffyBee]

Always believed in Karleigh when a lot of others were quick to slate him.
Played magnificent away at Port Vale last week, and this Saturday was another great performance.
Warranted with two goals. Well done KO and keep it going. !

He thinks you're an ugly **** though...lollollol


Only joking, good work B_T_D

 

[Gee Bee]

Karleigh had a good game saturday and for the main part didn't put a foot wrong and is rightly being applauded. However his one error did lead them to score. A mistake he even admits to himself.

 

[GNBee]

Karleigh is so much improved since his return. Played very well against both Port Vale and Darlington. Keep it up. Well worth his place at present.

 

[SmiffyBee]

Osborne Sign

Osborne Sign

 

[Ghost]

A big company like that and they have spelt Osbourne wrong... ?

 

[DavidgRushden]

Watched him in the Bournemouth game and thought that although he made some silly passes to the opposition in the first half, he was very solid in the second half and produced some well timed tackles. Couldn't understand the prat who sat behind me shouting out every time he touched the ball "you're rubbish Osborne" and I told him so.Cannot understand why some supporters keep on his back even when he is obviously trying and doing a pretty good job.A bit of praise and encouragement would probably work wonders for this player.

 

[Owlsmoor_Bee]

Watched him in the Bournemouth game and thought that although he made some silly passes to the opposition in the first half, he was very solid in the second half and produced some well timed tackles. Couldn't understand the prat who sat behind me shouting out every time he touched the ball "you're rubbish Osborne" and I told him so.Cannot understand why some supporters keep on his back even when he is obviously trying and doing a pretty good job.A bit of praise and encouragement would probably work wonders for this player.

Agreed. Karleigh's an important component of a defence which is currently performing extremely well. His pace, tackling and heading ability are excellent and I think he's shown real improvement this season. That said, if he is to perform at a higher level he must improve his general control and distribution which I see as his biggest weaknesses at the moment and I think what frustrates supporters most about him. Interestingly though, I also think Dickson's distribution is poor and yet he seems to escape the criticism which Karleigh receives.

 

[SmiffyBee]

...............I also think Dickson's distribution is poor and yet he seems to escape the criticism which Karleigh receives.

and Dickson, has NOT apologised for any inconvenience

 

[GP200]

..........................an absolute nightmare today...................how did he stay on for 90 minutes..................appeared to be afraid to tackle the winger................very poor...............

 

[pompeybee]

..........................an absolute nightmare today...................how did he stay on for 90 minutes..................appeared to be afraid to tackle the winger................very poor...............

That's a bit harsh. He was exposed to more than he should have been yesterday because there was no midfielder in front of him after Williams went up front. We were always going to be vulnerable down that side after that, but fortunately nothing came of it.

That said, I'd be happier with O'Connor at right back. Hunt looked good enough yesterday to take his place in midfield alongside Bean.

 

[8 Bee]

That's a bit harsh. He was exposed to more than he should have been yesterday because there was no midfielder in front of him after Williams went up front. We were always going to be vulnerable down that side after that, but fortunately nothing came of it.

That said, I'd be happier with O'Connor at right back. Hunt looked good enough yesterday to take his place in midfield alongside Bean.

KO was poor as a full back irrespective of the lack of cover. Didn't tackle, kept offering the inside route to his winger and gave him acres of space - something the New Road crowd kept reminding him of

KO just doesn't seem to have the nouse to adjust to different situations.

I would have brought Newton on to replace KO - he would have been much better able to partly cover the right midfiled position as well as right back

Leave the KOC and Bean central midfield partnership alone - it is one of our strongest assets.

 

[ManorBee]

It may not be fashionable to say it on here but I believe KO handled the winger well yestrday. At their place he tore Halls apart. And anyone else who tried to deal with him that night. No one had the speed to go with him.
KO matched him for pace forced him to turn inside which is generally what you want to achieve with a winger who is intent on going down the outside. I do not remember a single time he got to the byeline and put in a cross. The problem we had was when he forced him inside there was no one then picking him up from KO which you would expect.
Also more often than not KO was left one on one, which is never more dangerous than when you have a very quick wide player. And often at times especially in the first half the addiontial threat of 2 on 1.
KO is not a great user of the ball I agree, hopefully this will improve, but he defends well now (he seems to have curred the silly mistakes of the past) and he adds additional height to the back 4.

 

[Matty D]

When we conceded AS went 4-3-2, which was quite brave, and asked Kev, Bean and Wood to do what they had to to try and live with the additional opponent in midfield. Although Bean ran himself into the ground covering across as required he was always going to have to start narrower than a conventional winger would, leaving Osborne more exposed.

In that situation the crucial thing is to slow your opponents attack down and give the midfield three time to offer support. Pretty much from the off I heard people slagging Osborne off and telling him to get stuck into Weston. From my perspective I'm glad he didn't generally sell himself in a situation where cover was in short supply and any mistake against their best player would have left us massively exposed.

Yes, he showed him inside too generously on at least on occasion, and his distribution was poor. It is poor, and it was poor during all those encouraging wins with Osborne part of the back four. O'Connor is doing a great job in central midfield, and I think we'd suffer by shuffling him out of there rather than sticking with Osborne.

 

[jlove]

Osborne is getting better at defending but he still lacks the experience to decide when and where on the pitch to go close and when to stay off his man. He just hasn't got the the chapter in Teach Yourself Football on passing forward; he really has to be told "look son, pass it 3 yards to a midfielder and let them do it" at the moment.

 

[Bee49]

When Ossy gets the ball everyone should be looking to make it easy for him to pass it by being available with lots of verbal.
Multiple choice always works.

 

[North London Bee]

He's still learning the position and defensively he brings a lot to the party. Give him some time.

 

[Simon C]

Some of the abuse he gets is unreal, it was getting to Matt Somner levels yesterday

 

[Leicester Bee]

He's still learning the position and defensively he brings a lot to the party. Give him some time.

For a player who has racked up over 70 appearances at the age of 21, I have to say that he is awful. He has pace, granted, he has the ability to have 2 or 3 half-decent games before having a poor one, but his lack of passing ability is embarrassing for a professional footballer.
He has not improved much in the last two years and if that's the standard of defender that Brentford want, then we are going backwards. Our standards for a centre-back should be high, like Bennett, Turner, Sodje, and so on. He cannot possibly play full-back for any length of time, if his distribution is going to remain the same level as it has since he made his debut, and whilst he deserves to be a squad player, I don't understand what it is people see in him. He defends ok, but he's supposed to!!! Even then, I have NEVER watched him with any confidence. And believe me, I've tried to like him.

 

[Leicester Bee]

Some of the abuse he gets is unreal, it was getting to Matt Somner levels yesterday

Well, that's just fecking stupid then. if he's selected to play, give him as much support during the 90 minutes as possible. Can say what you like after the game, but during the game, FFS.........He doesn't select himself and to his credit, he is a trier.

 

[chizbee]

Well, that's just fecking stupid then. if he's selected to play, give him as much support during the 90 minutes as possible. Can say what you like after the game, but during the game, FFS.........He doesn't select himself and to his credit, he is a trier.

Totally agree leicester, having said that though, he DID have a nightmare game yesterday, one of his worst.
He needed help big time...............and it never came !!

 

[Leicester Bee]

Totally agree leicester, having said that though, he DID have a nightmare game yesterday, one of his worst.
He needed help big time...............and it never came !!

Then Scotty needs to sort it out. Not fair to slag players off for playing poorly when they are making an effort. Only two times I ever properly ever slagged off a Brentford player wearing the shirts. Once was during the most inept display of football I have ever seen under Leroy, and once was when Ian Benjamin put in the laziest display of football I've ever seen. He was subbed at half-time by W£bb as the crowd were literally ready to lynch him, honestly. This was during the time when you could still run on the pitch to celebrate goals with your players and scuttle back into the stands without being ejected.

 

[1markbee]

Is slagging him off during a game really going to help his confidence? He tries his best for the team no one can disagree with that surely.

The whole defence had their work cut out yesterday, especially when AS took a gamble and went for a 4-3-2 formation for most of the game.

Keep going Ossie.

 

[sussexb]

Is slagging him off during a game really going to help his confidence? He tries his best for the team no one can disagree with that surely.

The whole defence had their work cut out yesterday, especially when AS took a gamble and went for a 4-3-2 formation for most of the game.

Keep going Ossie.

I agree. Osborne played 3 or 4 really bad balls into the channels yesterday - but then I remember Phillips and Bennett playing equally bad passes, and O'Connor gave the ball away 5 or 6 times in midfield with truly awful touches. Yet it was only when KO did it that the crowd groaned - does anyone really think this will help the lad? Also - note the number of times when his pace got us out of a situation yesterday.

I'm not saying his distribution wasn't poor yesterday - but to single him out in a game when so many of our players were poor is mystifying to me.