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Edmundo said:
Carrick has every right to be absolutely furious about that. The onfield officials got it spot on and some idiot watching a replay doesn't even know the f***ing rules!

And why wasn't the ref asked to look at it on the monitor?
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Did they ? Didn't he call Haaland off who wasn't offside?
 

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Its a crap show, run by people that dont have a clue. Just continues to ruin the game, VAR is not fit for purpose. Time we had an independant body that the football authorities need to answer to. How long is this sh** show going to go on for, before something is done.
 

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WarrenBee said:
The Championship seems to get along fine without it. Bin it off now!
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Only because it doesn't receive anything like the same amount of scrutiny of rinse and repeat in the sports media.

There will be the same (even a slightly lesser) standard of refs and asst. refs making the same mistakes.

Where I would say league refs have an advantage is that they have got to be trusted to make a judgement, rather than knowing they can hesitate and hope VAR will correct a mistake for them. This makes them more decisive.

I would be happy to get rid of VAR. I would also expect the likes of MotD, TalkSport, SSN and others to stop micro-analysing every single incident where a ref has made the wrong call. Then they would be allowed to make mistakes without it becoming headline news for the next week. Every commentator, pundit and armchair fan is an expert after multiple replays, freeze frames, etc. How many times do we hear on here an hour after the game has finished, phrases like, "I would like to have a look at that incident again." Why? Just in an effort to prove the officials got it wrong. It doesn't change or solve anything. And if VAR had the luxury of 20 mins, I'm sure every decision would be perfectly correct.

But none of the above is going to happen, because that isn't actually what football people want. Nor the money men.
 

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hanworthbee said:
It's such poor defending though from Martinez as surely he could see fernandez was a mile off and had he just stood still it would have been an obvious offside
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As a defender you should never just stop on the basis that you expect the flag to go up.

Also, if Martinez stops, it rules out the argument that the actions of Fernandez were impacting his ability to play the ball. Standing still would have made it easier to allow the goal.
 

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I'm surprised that Oliver wasn't asked to look at the screen to make his own judgement on the call and Enzo's 'involvement' bearing in mind what happened in our game with Sunderland.
 

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SC said:
I'm surprised that Oliver wasn't asked to look at the screen to make his own judgement on the call and Enzo's 'involvement' bearing in mind what happened in our game with Sunderland.
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That's the biggest error. With multiple points of analysis why did Oliver just accept the VAR decision, why didn't he want the referee's decision to be final?
 

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SC said:
I'm surprised that Oliver wasn't asked to look at the screen to make his own judgement on the call and Enzo's 'involvement' bearing in mind what happened in our game with Sunderland.
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It’s another nonsense of VAR. The VAR cannot tell the referee to look at the screen. They can recommend a review. The actual decision to initiate a review must be taken by the referee.

VAR missed the fact that there was a subjective decision which would have required review. As such a review was not recommended. The referee presumably trusted the judgement of the VAR and decided there was no reason to take himself to the screen.
 

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Interesting from Graham Scott in the Athletic:

“Back at Stockley Park, there are safety nets in place that should still prevent this kind of error. Sitting next to Donohue yesterday was a Premier League assistant referee whose job includes challenging the VAR if they follow the wrong process. It is impossible to know this for sure unless audio is released from the incident, but we have to assume he did not do so.

Furthermore, just along the corridor there is an operations room where Pro Ref managers and other VAR hub staff follow every match in progress. This can be challenging if there are several being played at once, but on Sunday afternoon, there was only one going on.

The Pro Ref staff have a hotline to the VAR and a mandate to intervene if they think he is making a palpably incorrect call in law or has not given due consideration to all the elements of the process.

Again, while we don’t know this for certain, based on the outcome, we have to assume nothing happened there”
 

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I used to get angry about the whole concept of VAR... not anymore... it's simply now a tragicomedy for me...sad as it is funny... just like those who introduced it...and those who wanted it introduced....of which there are many... perfection doesn't exist....to err is to be human et al.... anyway...f*** Man U....and as an aside...I spent an evening with Matt Donohue and his family whilst on Holiday in Menorca during the Euros in 24.... lovely chap who was extremely knowledgeable about the game of football...shared a few things about officiating the game that opened my eyes...I for one hope yesterdays debacle doesn't impact on his career.
 
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Untouchable said:
As a defender you should never just stop on the basis that you expect the flag to go up.

Also, if Martinez stops, it rules out the argument that the actions of Fernandez were impacting his ability to play the ball. Standing still would have made it easier to allow the goal.
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Fernandez would have more likely got the ball as he was free and would have been an immediate offside
 

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WarrenBee said:
The Championship seems to get along fine without it. Bin it off now!
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They have dreadful decisions every week, offsides, sendings off and fouls that are all wrong, but the ref gives his best guess every game and everyone acxepts they will get some right/some wrong. Still a lot of moaning about big club bias though.

The annoying thing is, it should work. 99/100 we all come to the same conclusion, so why can't they. The Haaland goal is a mixture of over complicating the rules and leaving it open to many interpretations. It should be simple, were the players offside when the ball was kicked, yes or no. If Haaland is onside, did the other player interfere and make a movement toward the ball, yes. Offside given. Even the most die hard city fan isn't arguing that. But we have this, "guess the refs opinion" nonsence to contend with.

If we have apologies dished out nearly every week for mistakes, how can you make mistakes when you are following simple rules.
 

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Untouchable said:
As a defender you should never just stop on the basis that you expect the flag to go up.

Also, if Martinez stops, it rules out the argument that the actions of Fernandez were impacting his ability to play the ball. Standing still would have made it easier to allow the goal.
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You can't play the offside trap in that situation can you, really.
 

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WarrenBee said:
The Championship seems to get along fine without it. Bin it off now!
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After it was trialled in Sweden, the fans started giving out, and since Sweden has a 50+1 fan ownership structure, like eg Germany, 18 of 32 top tier clubs (+ 2 local associations) voted to bin it. That was 2024 and they remain happy with their decision. Interestingly, there doesn't appear to have been any pressure on them to lift the ban from UEFA.
 

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If players, officials and those who pay to watch don't understand the rules/laws or interpret them differently there is something wrong with the rules. The game is football. It's played all over the world. It should be the same game, same rules on a school playground the GTech or World Cup final. Scrap all the technology.
 

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No home wins in prem this weekend . Hopefully not tonight
 

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Leeds 1-0 Newcastle via 2 deflections.
 

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More jam than Hartleys that one
 

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Leeds 2-0 Newcastle

Newcastle all over the place.
 

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Bumped us down to 7th (as it stands).

Now 2-0
 

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Decent goal that one unlike the first. Newcastle look terrible
 

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By the looks of it, this could end up being a cricket score
 

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Newcastle very very poor in midfield.
 

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Joelinton, Tonali and Guimaraes sized holes!!!
 

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It’s simple, really. If you don’t compete against any Leeds team and take the physical game to them, especially at Elland Road, you will, inevitably, struggle.
 

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there are certain team I hate it when they do well

Leeds is top of that list
 

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Leeds playing well it is true but Newcastle are shocking. Second to the ball, misplaced passes and lackadaisical defending
 

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Stanley said:
Leeds playing well it is true but Newcastle are shocking. Second to the ball, misplaced passes and lackadaisical defending
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Sounds a bit like our performance on Saturday.
 

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That new Newcastle keeper looks as iffy as Pope.
 
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