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Now that it's officially been confirmed of the level of their cheating, what is a suitable sanction?
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LongLostBee
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In my book anything less than relegation by 3/4/5 divisions mean they get away with it and profit from it overall.
So I chose the harshest option…but I also think there’s almost no chance of that actually happening.
So I chose the harshest option…but I also think there’s almost no chance of that actually happening.
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Peteseeger
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Why either/or? Relegate them 2 divisions AND impose hefty fine AND deduct points
Brentford 4 Life
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They can’t actually be relegated can they? Points deduction or thrown out the league but not ‘relegated’.
Les Beeavinu
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If, as seems inevitable, they get a very significant fine regardless of any football sanction, where would the money go?
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Surely it should be huge fine, transfer ban, AND points deduction...
Something like £890m fine, 5 window transfer ban, and a 75 point deduction.
And that £890m should go to the other 91 clubs, £9.78m would make a huge difference to most football league clubs. Even better, it should go to all clubs outside the EPL, which would be 72 clubs, so £12.36m each! And leave the PL clubs to look for legal recompense from City on their own, a la Burnley. £40m per club should equate to another nice £760m. See how Abu Dhabi like that! And they need to pay all PL legal costs.
Something like £890m fine, 5 window transfer ban, and a 75 point deduction.
And that £890m should go to the other 91 clubs, £9.78m would make a huge difference to most football league clubs. Even better, it should go to all clubs outside the EPL, which would be 72 clubs, so £12.36m each! And leave the PL clubs to look for legal recompense from City on their own, a la Burnley. £40m per club should equate to another nice £760m. See how Abu Dhabi like that! And they need to pay all PL legal costs.
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Expulsion from the premier league for 5 seasons.
They can win it every season but they won’t be allowed to be promoted.
It sends out a strong message to other clubs that the league is bigger than any club.
It also gives time for the premier league to tighten up its rules on PSR/club finances so it won’t every happen again
They can win it every season but they won’t be allowed to be promoted.
It sends out a strong message to other clubs that the league is bigger than any club.
It also gives time for the premier league to tighten up its rules on PSR/club finances so it won’t every happen again
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The PL and then distributed to its member clubs. Presumably after MCFC had been expelled.
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There would be something fitting about nine years of heavy points deductions, so they can enjoy the feeling the rest of football had of being pretty decent but not being able to win things.
Bee(h)Iver
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Should be the whole pyramid. Plenty of teams in the Championship and lower were directly impacted by City’s behaviour
Edit: and it’ll give L2 clubs a chance to sing ‘we’ve got your millions, we’ve got your millions’
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At the weekend, ie before today’s details, I read an article claiming that most Man City players don’t have relegation clauses in their contracts.
This could all be great fun to watch….
This could all be great fun to watch….
Les Beeavinu
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They'd each have a case against the owners for breach of contract I imagine.
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Yeah, there's nothing even suggesting that any players ought to have had a reason to believe they cheated illegally, as opposed to merely 'gaming the system'. So my uninformed contract-law illiterate head is of the belief that they'd have a case for breach of contract from the side of the club if they get relegated because the top-stairs cheated
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As more and more comes out, it seems more likely it's going to have to be a very serious punishment. Becoming increasingly likely in my eyes we might see them dropped down divisions and rightly so
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LongLostBee
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The amount of law suits could be bonkers if you think how many people/businesses it impacts over a huge period of time.
Could the real problem for them not be punishment but law suits which amount to no option bar the funding pulled and bankruptcy?
Could the real problem for them not be punishment but law suits which amount to no option bar the funding pulled and bankruptcy?
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-30 points every season for 5 years, and a ban from European Football qualification during that time.
Having them demoted to lower leagues would be harsh on smaller clubs, as they may take a promotion spot. Id have them suffer in a mid table mediocrity/relegation scrap for a while
Having them demoted to lower leagues would be harsh on smaller clubs, as they may take a promotion spot. Id have them suffer in a mid table mediocrity/relegation scrap for a while
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A poll can't really cover every choice but i went for relegation and massive fine.
I'd add a 5 year ban to European competitions and as the owners are guilty of corruption,they no longer pass the fit and proper test so make them sell up.
They were never fit and proper in the first place imo.
I'd add a 5 year ban to European competitions and as the owners are guilty of corruption,they no longer pass the fit and proper test so make them sell up.
They were never fit and proper in the first place imo.
JCMcBee
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... some might say.... personally I'd cut off their hands... they'd never steal....or play a geetar...ever again.
Carri Bee Un
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Every fan to do ten years, no parole.
Directors burnt on the stake.
Ground destroyed and salted.
Owners bbq’d in the streets by the hand of god.
Accountants and auditors need to be hung too.
Directors burnt on the stake.
Ground destroyed and salted.
Owners bbq’d in the streets by the hand of god.
Accountants and auditors need to be hung too.
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Demote to National League and a £500m fine payable to grass roots facility funding.
Rob-BEE
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In addition to whatever points deduction / relegation, the owners should also be permanently banned from owning a club in English football.
Rob-BEE
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In addition to whatever points deduction / relegation, the owners should also be permanently banned from owning a club in English football.
LostBee
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Would a 10 year ban from all European competitions be enforceable or would UEFA get involved in a big way?
That would hurt them a lot more than relegation or a fine they could pay with the change down the back of their sofa.
It would also make the players that they paid for by cheating seriously consider moving elsewhere.
That would hurt them a lot more than relegation or a fine they could pay with the change down the back of their sofa.
It would also make the players that they paid for by cheating seriously consider moving elsewhere.
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UEFA would have to be involved and they've already lost the case vs MCFC due to time limitations.
If MCFC are not in the PL however then there's there's only the FA Cup and League Cup routes open to them. Of course they can still qualify for the Europa League (via the FA Cup), win that and then be qualified for the CL.
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Under a very recent law a person's "fit and proper" status can now be removed. It couldn't previously. So it's not quite a sh*t show.
As I said earlier, the issue would certainly fall into diplomatic relationships however.
LostBee
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I thought it is up to the PL to decide how to distribute the European spots they are given?
JCMcBee
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...indeed... several owners on the watchlist... return the Elgin Marbles I say.
Sting in the Tail
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50 point deduction, £500m fine and no sponsorship deals allowed for 10 years.
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Really? I don't think so. UEFA certainly didn't allow the FA Cup winners into the CL.
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Hippobee
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It's not that confusing. It clearly says 'should'.
I think we are all well aware that 'should' and 'will' are two different things. But while we can all state with certainty what 'should' happen, none of us has a clue as to what actually 'will.'
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all trophies 'won' over period in question expunged from records too, but NOT reallocated to lucky loser
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It’s not about the titles it’s about where the cheating puts them as a club now,they cheated to get into the prem elite,something clubs following PSR (in its various guises) simply cannot do.
All punishments in the world will not remove there status as the prem and European elite. Regardless of what there punishment does to them they’ll be back in that top 4 as quick as they can.
All punishments in the world will not remove there status as the prem and European elite. Regardless of what there punishment does to them they’ll be back in that top 4 as quick as they can.
Poll - Sanctions for Manchester City
It’s not about the titles it’s about where the cheating puts them as a club now,they cheated to get into the prem elite,something clubs following PSR (in its various guises) simply cannot do.
All punishments in the world will not remove there status as the prem and European elite. Regardless of what there punishment does to them they’ll be back in that top 4 as quick as they can.
All punishments in the world will not remove there status as the prem and European elite. Regardless of what there punishment does to them they’ll be back in that top 4 as quick as they can.
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Pay a massive fine to a charity , allow no sponsorship equivalent to the period of time in question, ban player buys for say 2 seasons, play all cup matches away from home for 2 seasons, allow all away supporters free access at Ethiad for 2 seasons (incl a pint & pie). No new kits for 2 seasons. No gigs allowed at Ethiad for 2 seasons unless they are free.
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A huge points deduction, ensuring relegation, then another huge points deduction next season making sure they dont come straight back up.
Plus a fine in the hundreds of millions and transfer bans.
But more likely will be 4 points and a 5 million fine....
Plus a fine in the hundreds of millions and transfer bans.
But more likely will be 4 points and a 5 million fine....
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2 points for each charge -228 points deduction to run until it is cleared.
900 million pound fine.
Banned from Premier League for 5 years.
900 million pound fine.
Banned from Premier League for 5 years.
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Ban them from all competitions for at least 2 years if not more!
To restart their climb through the football 'pyramid' from the lowest level.
To restart their climb through the football 'pyramid' from the lowest level.
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What if ........ they decide to resign/got sacked from the PL and make an attempt at setting up another super league globally or join another league elsewhere in the world. It would get them out of the way and make them a PL non-entity. Obviously money is no object to them. It would be very unfair to other clubs to dump them in their present form on the EFL, whatever other sanctions were also imposed.