aawharris
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He clearly pulled his leg back and buried it into the oppo player with force
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hanworthbee
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With force! There was more force in the tackle on him
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It was a tough but legitimate tackle. Dowman definitely tried to knee him so a fair red card even if he didn't make much contact.
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What? He won the ball fairly. It was robust but this was an English cup match. Not a couple of Spanish tarts fluffing each other. f*** me the games gone if english football fans start complaining about fair tackles like that.
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In the same way Jacquets behaviour against YY prior to his sending off is not tolerated? My point is it makes no difference, in both cases there was retaliation that resulted in a red card. The rules are that the intent is all that needs to be there to result in a red card. It would absolutely be the wrong decision if its overturned imo, but its Arsenal squealing not us so anything is possible.
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These things need to be separated IMO. There was a bit of scissor in the original challenge which may have lead to a VAR review in the PL.
But any attempt to focus on this deflects from Dowman’s behaviour. The fact that Dowman isn’t being condemned from all quarters should be cause for concern. He’s now being told by some that he’s done nothing wrong rather than being educated to change his response. He kicked his opponent who was on the ground. A 3 match ban should be the minimum.
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and people wonder how footballers become entitled...Arsenal appealing shows that they will defend the player, even when it is obvious he has done wrong. Perhaps it is Arteta's way of instilling a bit of grit in his squad, and creating an us vs them mentality. But also they are probably appealing to soothe Arteta's conscience after he publicly dressed down Dowman in full view of TV cameras. Not quite how you would nurture a young talent.
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I've watched the tackle on Dowman a few times now. There is definitely enough there for a red, as he lost his temper and intent was shown by leading with the knee, even though there was no force to speak of. It's stretching it to say he kicked him on the ground. I can see why some are comparing it to Yarmo. On another day, Dowman might get a yellow. I think the melee that followed helped make the ref's mind up.
I am perfectly happy with the tackle the Fleetwood player made. As was the ref. Old fashioned but fair tackle with the ball fully taken.
I can see why Arsenal are appealing it and I hope they fail. The young man needs to know that there are consequences to losing your temper. His manager should fine him too, but I doubt managers do that any more.
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If Yarmo was red carded for the hardly touching of the ’head-butt’ movement towards Jacquert, after J. Had pushed and shoved him for a while, then Dowman’s kick was much more forceful, even after a hearty but fair tackle on him
Therefore, there has to be consistency, so no question about the correct red card decision.
Also, a lip reader has clarified what Aunt Teta said to Dowman as he left the pitch -
"Get into the changing room, Max.”
As Paul Merton has pointed out, Aunt Teta would not have said that to a more senior pro.
But also where else was the 16 year old headed, apart from the dressing room!
Therefore, there has to be consistency, so no question about the correct red card decision.
Also, a lip reader has clarified what Aunt Teta said to Dowman as he left the pitch -
"Get into the changing room, Max.”
As Paul Merton has pointed out, Aunt Teta would not have said that to a more senior pro.
But also where else was the 16 year old headed, apart from the dressing room!
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Love how people in media etc said YY was silly, a youngster who made a mistake and being drawn into making a reaction yet Dowman (cause he is a young 16 starlet for England) is being made out to be the victim.
Both players were provoked, in different circumstances, and both reacted.
Difference between YY and BFC and those at the Emirates is that we took ownership and they took the victim route.
Both players were provoked, in different circumstances, and both reacted.
Difference between YY and BFC and those at the Emirates is that we took ownership and they took the victim route.
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When you're sat in Row Z and the ball hits your head, that's Fofana .....
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Got it wrong on the Sunderland match thread, Newcastle still in the EFL Cup. Play Everton away tomorrow, with the winner away to Fleetwood in the Quarter Finals.
Hoping Newcastle get through as the Fleetwood (A) Cup game is in the midweek before our home fixture at 12:30 on 19 December.
Hoping Newcastle get through as the Fleetwood (A) Cup game is in the midweek before our home fixture at 12:30 on 19 December.
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We are now officially through the looking glass.
According to this idiot from the Mirror, Dowman was entitled to kick his opponent.
View: https://x.com/nickvann1987__/status/2115708270879158570?a=3wr02P3t--EQud1xGNw&s=46
According to this idiot from the Mirror, Dowman was entitled to kick his opponent.
View: https://x.com/nickvann1987__/status/2115708270879158570?a=3wr02P3t--EQud1xGNw&s=46
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Arsenal's Max Dowman to miss three matches after red card appeal rejected
Arsenal's Max Dowman will miss three matches after an appeal against his sending-off during Tuesday's loss at Fleetwood is rejected.
www.bbc.co.uk
Arsenal's Max Dowman will miss three matches after an appeal against his sending-off during Tuesday's Carabao Cup loss at Fleetwood was rejected.
The 16-year-old midfielder was shown a straight red card in the 85th minute after reacting to a heavy challenge by Fleetwood's Harrison Neal.
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quite right that the arse had their appeal against dowman red card thrown out
he might be their 'golden child', but his action was overly aggressive and fully warranted the punishment in the current landscape
that the arse had the temerity to even challenge it...
he might be their 'golden child', but his action was overly aggressive and fully warranted the punishment in the current landscape
that the arse had the temerity to even challenge it...
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The very definition of "Whataboutery".
So that with the tackle on Dowman being as bad as he says - which it arguably was - then Neill might well have been sent off for it. But that doesn't absolve Dowman for what he did.
On which point, Lewis says that the same standards should apply in League Two as in the PL - but seemingly only when it came to the Fleetwood player. Which ignores the fact that Dowman's reaction would also have seen him sent off had it been a PL game.
"I'm sorry, but I've got a big problem with [Dowman's] sending off against Fleetwood...". Who asked you for your opinion, expressed in such portentous terms?
Self-important pr1ck.