26/27 PL Score Centre GW9

[hairman]

Two teams of cheating ****s.

Gabriel and Konsa going down with the lightest tough drives me mad.

Yes. It would be good to see some of these go down after a heavy touch. Right through their b***ocks, preferably.

 

[maddogging]

Absolutely loving reading the LFC ‘fans’ online raging about the refs decisions against them. They just don’t see the irony in it all

 

[gbems92]

Just seen the highlights and the bullshit decision not to send off madueke for his "headbutt motion". Liverpool players seem well trained in theatrics with another ridiculous reaction from macallister. Add to that timber clearly tugging isaks shirt as he goes to jump. These referees need consequences

 

[maddogging]

Just seen the highlights and the bullshit decision not to send off madueke for his "headbutt motion". Liverpool players seem well trained in theatrics with another ridiculous reaction from macallister. Add to that timber clearly tugging isaks shirt as he goes to jump. These referees need consequences

This is the issue for me, it’s not the refs that need consequences, it’s the f***ing players. Jacquet and McCallister both intended on getting a fellow pro sent off by play acting. Cheating ****s the pair of them

 

[WarrenBee]

Absolutely loving reading the LFC ‘fans’ online raging about the refs decisions against them. They just don’t see the irony in it all

Long may it continue.

They'll be a minutes silence coming any time soon.

 

[Gee Bee]

....ohhhh.... I'd far rather Karma came in the form of Jacquet finding out his best mate has been sleeping with the girlfriend he hopes to marry....or something along those lines.

He’s got friends?

 

[The Pipe]

Would be lovely to have a level playing field but unfortunately we have a refereeing body that is petrified of upsetting the big guns, they enjoy being on first name terms with the superstars so their after dinner ( paid ) talks are more attractive.

Watching on TV I get to see many games and quite frankly when it’s the big guns there are different requirements for bookings: it is in fact unconscious bias/ cheating with VAR having a one eyed view of proceedings . No doubt the referee apologists on here will tell me I am wrong however that is my take on proceedings

 

[Terrace Weeding]

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I was talking about the shirt-pull in Isak that stopped him getting to a cross.
Stonewall penalty that the ref missed.

Iraola saying Isak should have dived to get the penalty, that's sums him up as a coach just the same when at muff

 

[Jezybee]

Iraola saying Isak should have dived to get the penalty, that's sums him up as a coach just the same when at muff

Understand where you’re coming from but it wouldn’t have been a dive as his shirt was clearly being pulled.
It’s a frustration we all have is that referees fail to give fouls to players who try to keep their feet. Therefore, players are forced to throw themselves to the floor to get anything. As mentioned earlier on the thread, more baffling is that the VAR watched and cleared it.

 

[hairman]

Iraola saying Isak should have dived to get the penalty, that's sums him up as a coach just the same when at muff

Thiago only got anything yesterday once he started going to ground and milking it a bit. Sad really, that we have to stoop to the levels of the elite.

 

[mhead bee]

Hard to choose which team you hate the most, weapons grade diving from both teams throughout. And Madueke’s head butt was about as bad as Yarmo’s, but not even a yellow for that or the subsequent dive

 

[Untouchable]

This is the issue for me, it’s not the refs that need consequences, it’s the f***ing players. Jacquet and McCallister both intended on getting a fellow pro sent off by play acting. Cheating ****s the pair of them

Yes. The laws should be changed so that red cards for simulation like this become commonplace. As a sending offence it then comes within the remit of the VAR protocol. 3 match suspensions for offenders too IMO.

It would take one weekend of ****s like Jacquet and MacAllister being sent off for this nonsense to end.

 

[mhead bee]

Thiago only got anything yesterday once he started going to ground and milking it a bit. Sad really, that we have to stoop to the levels of the elite.

He started getting stuff when he starting jumping for stuff. First half he kept backing in and hoping for a foul and so the ref gave nothing

Second half he was like the old Igor, full of anger and smiles at the same time and battling for everything and the ref started giving the fouls.

 

[mhead bee]

Would be lovely to have a level playing field but unfortunately we have a refereeing body that is petrified of upsetting the big guns, they enjoy being on first name terms with the superstars so their after dinner ( paid ) talks are more attractive.

Watching on TV I get to see many games and quite frankly when it’s the big guns there are different requirements for bookings: it is in fact unconscious bias/ cheating with VAR having a one eyed view of proceedings . No doubt the referee apologists on here will tell me I am wrong however that is my take on proceedings

You are not wrong, you are quite right

 

[Mr Tree]

Yes. The laws should be changed so that red cards for simulation like this become commonplace. As a sending offence it then comes within the remit of the VAR protocol. 3 match suspensions for offenders too IMO.

It would take one weekend of ****s like Jacquet and MacAllister being sent off for this nonsense to end.

Yep, or retrospective punishments for this plus the likes of Gabriel at the start of the game - THAT's the kind of thing people can't stand.

 

[Jezybee]

Stuart Atwell
VAR: “All of the situations have been checked and cleared. There is some contact as Madueke and Mac Allister square-up. In my opinion, it's not forceful, not violent, not brutal”.

View: https://x.com/plmatchcentre/status/2116962536486539385?a=reWsmKpztgfVZAqAKg4&s=46

 

[Untouchable]

Yep, or retrospective punishments for this plus the likes of Gabriel at the start of the game - THAT's the kind of thing people can't stand.

I’ve only just seen the Gabriel incident and yes, that is clear simulation.

I’d be against retrospective action because it lets the offender keep playing in a match they should have been sent off in. Just imagine if Arsenal had to play 87 minutes at Anfield with 10 men!

 

[hairman]

He started getting stuff when he starting jumping for stuff. First half he kept backing in and hoping for a foul and so the ref gave nothing

Second half he was like the old Igor, full of anger and smiles at the same time and battling for everything and the ref started giving the fouls.

Yeah, agree that I partly saw that he wasn't competing for the ball in the air so couldn't expect much from the ref. Second half though, Lurch & Co were all over him when the ball was played into feet. He got more then by acting up. Let's not kid ourselves though, that Milenkovic wasn't dirty and the ref wasn't piss poor.

 

[Kingston Bee]

I’ve only just seen the Gabriel incident and yes, that is clear simulation.

I’d be against retrospective action because it lets the offender keep playing in a match they should have been sent off in. Just imagine if Arsenal had to play 87 minutes at Anfield with 10 men!

Yes but hopefully once the players themselves understand they could be punished retrospectively they will stop. In the longer term it is a better solution imo.

 

[NickThe(Half)Greek]

On Timber’s shirt pull on Isak, former Premier League assistant referee Darren Cann told BBC Sport: "…..It could easily have been given on another day.

Surely this exact kind of inconsistency is what referees and VAR are there to prevent?

 

[Rob-BEE]

This is the issue for me, it’s not the refs that need consequences, it’s the f***ing players. Jacquet and McCallister both intended on getting a fellow pro sent off by play acting. Cheating ****s the pair of them

I genuinely don't know how anyone can expect refs to be fair and consistent when the players behave like that.

And I don't see any reason why the PL can't start taking action retrospectively against players who behave in a way with an intent to get an opponent sent off.

 

[stomalomalus]

I genuinely don't know how anyone can expect refs to be fair and consistent when the players behave like that.

And I don't see any reason why the PL can't start taking action retrospectively against players who behave in a way with an intent to get an opponent sent off.

I think things like Gabriel and Havertz going down holding their face should be retrospectively punished with 3 match bans. There needs to be a standard set. And the Timber pull on Isak...that's not just a penalty, is it? It's denial of a clear goalscoring opportunity, so it's a red card, no?

 

[Hippobee]

This is the issue for me, it’s not the refs that need consequences, it’s the f***ing players. Jacquet and McCallister both intended on getting a fellow pro sent off by play acting. Cheating ****s the pair of them

Here, here.

I am sick to bloody death of every pundit, fan, player, manager whinging every week about referees and inconsistency, etc.

The behaviour of an increasing number of players and managers to basically cheat has ruined the game. And today, the Liverpool manager says he'll tell his players to dive (cheat) from now on.

The solution would seem obvious - retrospective video evidence to ban players that cheat, dive, insult the ref, etc. VAR won't do it, as not all dives are clear cut enough to be cleared up in 60 seconds.

This retrospective action will never happen though, much as I want it. The very same fans that say they want it will whinge about players being banned or sent off and say they pay to watch 11 v 11. They'll say their team is picked on (like on here). Managers will moan and owners like the fat Greek will threaten to sue and so on.

I'd be no good as a ref - I'd be booking players every 5 minutes for cheating and dissent - there would be half a team left on each side by the end!

Cloughie had the right idea and instilled respect for refs in his teams. Never coming back, sadly.

 

[Gawain]

I am sick to bloody death of every pundit, fan, player, manager whinging every week about referees and inconsistency, etc.

Too right!

The behaviour of an increasing number of players and managers to basically cheat has ruined the game. And today, the Liverpool manager says he'll tell his players to dive (cheat) from now on.

Absolutely. On which latter point, Iraola should be charged with Bringing the Game into Disrepute.

 

[aslan]

They probably reviewed the Yarmo sending off and then reminded all refs that it's not a red if not "forceful" contact.

If that's the case they should've rescinded the red

 

[tinman]

When a decision went against Arsenal players were in the ref’s face for a good 30/40 seconds. Janelt got yellow for less than that and he was captain allowed to speak with ref. The refs boss needs to look at these decisions over a couple of weeks to see the inconsistencies and call the refs in and tell them these are bench marks we work to. If you don’t you get stood down.

 

[Gawain]

When a decision went against Arsenal players were in the ref’s face for a good 30/40 seconds. Janelt got yellow for less than that and he was captain allowed to speak with ref. The refs boss needs to look at these decisions over a couple of weeks to see the inconsistencies and call the refs in and tell them these are bench marks we work to. If you don’t you get stood down.

Alternatively, why shouldn't Arteta be stood down?

It's very difficult for refs, but easy for managers like Arteta to instruct their players to behave like this. Which I'm sure they do.

 

[mhead bee]

Yeah, agree that I partly saw that he wasn't competing for the ball in the air so couldn't expect much from the ref. Second half though, Lurch & Co were all over him when the ball was played into feet. He got more then by acting up. Let's not kid ourselves though, that Milenkovic wasn't dirty and the ref wasn't piss poor.

Won't get an argument from me on either of those points.

 

[mhead bee]

Alternatively, why shouldn't Arteta be stood down?

It's very difficult for refs, but easy for managers like Arteta to instruct their players to behave like this. Which I'm sure they do.

I don't think they have to, it is ingrained already.

 

[mhead bee]

John Brooks sent off Yarmoliuk; Darren England was VAR. Andy Madley is reffing Liverpool vs Arsenal with Stuart Atwell as VAR.

They are all ****s, doesn't matter which one you get.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

They are all ****s, doesn't matter which one you get.

The two sides, managers and coaching staff made the match today almost un-refereeable (made up word) though, not for the first time in a so called big 6 clash. Some of the big 6 sides are fundamentally dishonest.

 

[mhead bee]

Liverpool surround the referee shouting in his face. He walks away sh*tting his pants

How many times did Isak run up to the ref screaming in his face, Janelt approaches the ref and pleads with open hands and gets booked.

 

[Gawain]

I don't think they have to, it is ingrained already.

To an extent, yes. But shouldn't that apply to all players/all teams? Why is it so much more marked amongst certain teams, most notably Arteta's Arsenal?

I have no doubt that just as he eg organises his players when defending corners - who stands where etc - then he does the same for getting in the face of referees, eg to influence him and prevent free kicks being taken quickly, rotating the players where necessary (so they avoid getting booked).

 

[BURFORD BEE]

This is the issue for me, it’s not the refs that need consequences, it’s the f***ing players. Jacquet and McCallister both intended on getting a fellow pro sent off by play acting. Cheating ****s the pair of them

This is the bit that got me. Exactly the same as the cheating ***** did to us. I couldn't givvr s toss what Arsenal got up to. They won and I'm bloody glad. That Argentinian bastard is a disgrace.
As for the head butt the ref was right. The yellow was correct. Yarmo should have been a yellow not a red.
As fit Iraola's comment about telling his players to dive in future.
On their performance against us I'm sure he already had!
Also just how can he get away with saying that.
I hate Liverpool!

 

[mhead bee]

The solution would seem obvious - retrospective video evidence to ban players that cheat, dive, insult the ref, etc. VAR won't do it, as not all dives are clear cut enough to be cleared up in 60 seconds.

They tried this once, the first week someone got a retrospective card, then the next 3 didn't, then it died a death. The refs are allowed to give a yellow for diving, but pick and choose when to do it,so it becomes another total inconsistent gang f***.

 

[Gawain]

They tried this once, the first week someone got a retrospective card, then the next 3 didn't, then it died a death. The refs are allowed to give a yellow for diving, but pick and choose when to do it,so it becomes another total inconsistent gang f***.

Agree there is inconsistency etc, but I'm sure that the real problem is that refs are terrified that if they make the call that a player has dived, and it turns out he has been seriously injured, then they (refs) will be crucified. And inevitably it's going to happen.

Much easier just to give the free kick, take the abuse from the other team's manager and fans etc, then get on with the game.

 

[Untouchable]

the real problem is that refs are terrified that if they make the call that a player has dived, and it turns out he has been seriously injured, then they (refs) will be crucified. And inevitably it's going to happen.

This scenario doesn’t arise in situations like Gabriel and MacAllister today (plus Jacquelt against us) where video evidence demonstrates either no head contact or such minimal contact that there is no need to hit the deck like you’ve been on the receiving end of a Mike Tyson uppercut.

As the video evidence is so readily available, these types of simulation are very easy to eradicate, if there was the appetite to do so.

 

[TW3Bee]

I’ve only just seen the Gabriel incident and yes, that is clear simulation.

I’d be against retrospective action because it lets the offender keep playing in a match they should have been sent off in. Just imagine if Arsenal had to play 87 minutes at Anfield with 10 men!

Gabriel was laughing and joking with the ref in the tunnel, as the players were about to come out for the second half, they even fist pumped each other at one point.

 

[Gawain]

This scenario doesn’t arise in situations like Gabriel and MacAllister today (plus Jacquelt against us) where video evidence demonstrates either no head contact or such minimal contact that there is no need to hit the deck like you’ve been on the receiving end of a Mike Tyson uppercut.

As the video evidence is so readily available, these types of simulation are very easy to eradicate, if there was the appetite to do so.

Then that's a criticism of VAR, not the referee on the pitch, who's having to make a split-second decision without the benefit of multiple camera angles etc.

Alternatively, the proper authorities should be able to react after the event and impose appropriate sanctions.

 

[Vid]

On Timber’s shirt pull on Isak, former Premier League assistant referee Darren Cann told BBC Sport: "…..It could easily have been given on another day.

Surely this exact kind of inconsistency is what referees and VAR are there to prevent?

No mention of Timber covering his mouth when talking to Isak. That rule disappeared quickly.

 

[JANORAK]

Shouldn’t Iraola receive a disrepute charge? Admitting on TV that his players dive/should dive in future….

 

[Banana]

No mention of Timber covering his mouth when talking to Isak. That rule disappeared quickly.

That "rule" is optional and wasn't adopted by the PL.

 

[Kingston Bee]

On Timber’s shirt pull on Isak, former Premier League assistant referee Darren Cann told BBC Sport: "…..It could easily have been given on another day.

Surely this exact kind of inconsistency is what referees and VAR are there to prevent?

It also makes me think football is corrupt? What other explanation can there be, the offence was in plain site, not even debatable?

 

[Kingston Bee]

The two sides, managers and coaching staff made the match today almost un-refereeable (made up word) though, not for the first time in a so called big 6 clash. Some of the big 6 sides are fundamentally dishonest.

Fully agree, but doesnt stop a penalty being awarded for the shirt pull on Isak, and the sending off of Madueke.

 

[mhead bee]

Then that's a criticism of VAR, not the referee on the pitch, who's having to make a split-second decision without the benefit of multiple camera angles etc.

The same ref who goes over to the VAR screen to make the final decision, the same ref who decided Gabriel and Mandueke head butts did not cause fatal injuries but Yarmo's chest pump did. EVERYTHING is looked at, the ref can have a chat and say, what did I miss there. All 3 incidents we are talking about were studied by VAR and had a chat with the ref, he saw Macallister had taken a bullet shot to the head and was mortally injured, he saw him bounce up to create more problems. That is on him.

One weeks ref is next weeks VAR, they are inseperable.

 

[Gawain]

The same ref who goes over to the VAR screen to make the final decision, the same ref who decided Gabriel and Mandueke head butts did not cause fatal injuries but Yarmo's chest pump did. EVERYTHING is looked at, the ref can have a chat and say, what did I miss there. All 3 incidents we are talking about were studied by VAR and had a chat with the ref, he saw Macallister had taken a bullet shot to the head and was mortally injured, he saw him bounce up to create more problems. That is on him.

One weeks ref is next weeks VAR, they are inseperable.

How often do you see a ref called to review his decision by VAR stick with his original decision? It is vanishingly rare, if only because the people who control the system are wedded to VAR, meaning any individual ref who gets a name for being independently-minded could find his future career prospects limited. (I remember speaking to a referee who was qualified to run the line at EFL games when VAR was first introduced and he said that refs all hated it, but daren't publicly say so.)

Meaning that VAR doesn't actually "assist" referees, rather it instructs them. And while we may not like the politics (small "p") of the situation, that's the way it is with VAR - another criticism of the system (imo).

 

[Banana]

How often do you see a ref called to review his decision by VAR stick with his original decision? It is vanishingly rare,

That's expected given that he is only recommended to review his decision when he's made an error. Dear oh dear.

 

[Gawain]

That's expected given that he is only recommended to review his decision when he's made an error. Dear oh dear.

Such recommendation only follows a VAR official calling it for review, and while often it's "clear and obvious" (eg inside the penalty area rather than outside, or mistaken identity etc), sometimes it's subjective eg Yarmo's red card.

Or do you feel that VAR interventions are always correct?

While it is notable that one of the first/only times the ref has stuck to his guns was a game at the GTech, soon after VAR was introduced with the ref declining to overturn his original decision. I can't remember which game it was, but I do recall it was Michael Oliver who, as someone generally reckoned to be England's highest-rated official, presumably felt able to ignore VAR.

 

[Banana]

Such recommendation only follows a VAR official calling it for review, and while often it's "clear and obvious" (eg inside the penalty area rather than outside, or mistaken identity etc), sometimes it's subjective eg Yarmo's red card.

Sigh.

 

[Gawain]

This scenario doesn’t arise in situations like Gabriel and MacAllister today (plus Jacquelt against us) where video evidence demonstrates either no head contact or such minimal contact that there is no need to hit the deck like you’ve been on the receiving end of a Mike Tyson uppercut.

As the video evidence is so readily available, these types of simulation are very easy to eradicate, if there was the appetite to do so.

Don't disagree with your general point, but situations like Gabriel/MacAllister are for VAR, with a dozen different cameras, to rectify. For with referees, it can be very hard to distinguish eg between actual contact and simulation etc depending on the angle he's viewing from.

So that if a referee should conclude that the "fouled" player is, in fact, feigning injury and wave play on etc, but it turns out he has been seriously injured, then that will be a black mark which could follow the ref for the rest of his career.

I suppose what I'm saying is, that it's far too easy to blame the referee, while overlooking that VAR should operate to assist* him, not control him.

* - The clue is in the name.