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Thiago showing no contrition as he goes off after pretty obvious red.
I might be blinded by the fact it against us but I cannot see a red there, pushed him away with his arm and it slipped up and caught him. Not with force really either.
Enough to draw blood though. The old saying is: “You can’t raise your hands.” Stupid of Thiago.
 

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Exactly
Wrong - goes to push him away from the confrontation. Letter of the law red but there isno way he meant to catch him where he did.
Exactly. KLP penalty against Sunderland, Yarmoliuk red card against Liverpool, and Thiago today. All initiated by the opponents. Are we supposed to roll over? Yarmoliuk and Thiago weren't even looking at their man so can't be considered intentional contact to the face. Refs need to recognise some context and stop letting the actual aggressors get away with it, instead of harshly punishing reactive behaviours.
 

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I agree with the main point of this message, but have they? I think the whole team has been poor on the ball and slightly poor off it as well
Yes. Brighton had fashioned very few decent chances for themselves after the red. We’ve held our defensive shape well and defended our box pretty well. To throw all the hard work away with that penalty is so frustrating.
 

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I'm sick of Damsgaard not starting, too. We need to start thinking about how to play football every now and again, instead of hyper focus on aggression.
Mad that our best footballer no longer plays any real minutes. A rare mis step / blind spot for the manager.
 

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The split second delayed reaction from the Brighton player after Igor's 'assault' is pure Platoon. Oliver should have blown up for the shirt pulling before it even got to that point, but Igor gets nothing, as we know.
 

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Clearly not malicious or deliberate from Theigo. He was assaulted by three players in the lead up! KLP did what happens at every corner but we are punished for it.
Thiago puts his forearm in the bloke’s face. If it’s the other way round we’d expect a red card all day long.

KLP should be let off because he’s in the wrong “but others do it”?. If it’s the other way round I’d want a pen.

Take off your victim cap and just admit we had two players do two moronic things and got punished for it.

If you don’t give the ref/VAR a choice you can’t get punished.
 

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I'm sick of Damsgaard not starting, too. We need to start thinking about how to play football every now and again, instead of hyper focus on aggression.
Spot on -- get the best players on the pitch. Damsgaard is acknoweldged as Denmark's stand-out player yet he can't start for us. Baffling, unless it's because his injury is still having an effect. The fluent football from early season has vanished and we need to get back to it asap.
 

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Exactly. This is the point. It was hammered by Liverpool after the Villa match. And since then we’ve had 3 red cards.

A media line that has influenced the match officials.
Goodness me there is no anti Brentford conspiracy, they aren’t all meeting behind our backs to gossip about us. Just stupid footballers giving officials easy decisions.
 

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Damage limitation now. Let's try to win the 2nd half; by that, I mean let's try not to concede any more goals.
 

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Clearly not malicious or deliberate from Theigo. He was assaulted by three players in the lead up! KLP did what happens at every corner but we are punished for it.

To add to the above, when the Brighton player gets up he makes a ‘Head But Movement’ towards Thiago. Remember Yarmoluk?
 

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Exactly. This is the point. It was hammered by Liverpool after the Villa match. And since then we’ve had 3 red cards.

A media line that has influenced the match officials.
That is a ridiculous comment. The media haven’t told our players to commit violent conduct.
 

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Might as well just lie back and think of Griffin Park at this point. Take anyone off who might be carrying any knocks etc.
 

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All we want is a bit of consistency. No way that pen gets given 80% of the time.
It does if ref gives it. Had he not VAR would not intervene imho. Once ref gives it it was never getting over turned.
 

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Who decided we’re more physical this season?
I'm not continuing with this.

It doesn't matter what anyone says, you will blame the officials 100% for everything and absolve the players and management of any responsibility. You do it every game and even start on the officials before K.O.

That's not support. It's just delusional.
 

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Second time this season he’s been done with it. I don’t like it’s a pen, but stupid to be done twice like this.
Agree we have to learn all over the pitch - easy to say but far harder to do in the heat of the game. I maintain KLPs is a 40/60 decision but he simply has to stop and find another way because two refs now don't like it whatever we think.
 

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Who decided we’re more physical this season?
Good question! Presumably it's come from the manager but who knows. Although I think being more physical isn't an issue as long we keep our discipline!!
 

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I'm not continuing with this.

It doesn't matter what anyone says, you will blame the officials 100% for everything and absolve the players and management of any responsibility. You do it every game and even start on the officials before K.O.

That's not support. It's just delusional.
100%!
 

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The officiating in that half, right from the off, has been as scandalously poor as you’ll ever see. Absolutely criminal.

FWIW, I think it’s masked a pretty poor team selection by Keith but you can’t play the referee as well. If he’s the best official this country has to offer then we might as well pack up and follow another sport.

I couldn’t be a head coach. I’d have had Oliver up against the tunnel wall by his f*cking throat if I was Keith.
 

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You have a strange view football.
Thiago-judged as violent conduct, got a red.
KLP-pull on shirt in the box, player goes down, penalty. Would a VAR review have overturned it? Who knows.
You could argue that these incidents MAY have been judged differently by other officials, involving other teams etc, however the fact is, if players do these sorts of things in this day and age of the Premier League, there is a good chance they will get punished.
We have to stop giving officials these decisions to make.
Already in this game alone, Ajer picked up an unnecessary yellow after a poor pass, Igor and KLP actions happened and Yarmo’s red against Liverpool (there’s probably others this season too), are showing us to have a disciplinary issue.
And it’s bloody annoying as a fan, already a tough game on paper and we are just making it harder for ourselves.
I was at this same fixture last season, and if I was one of the 3K Bees fans there today, I’d be pretty pissed about how things have gone.
 

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How is it the Brighton player jumps up from the ground and then pushes Thiago first, long after after the ball has disappeared.
Surely that is an act of initial aggression - a red for each would have been fairer.

So many times you see the instigator of a situation getting away with it.

It’s like the police prosecuting the victim, rather than the person who started it.

Oh well. A lot of matches to go this season, and we now need to really learn from all of this mess.
 

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This was Igor’s starting point for the red card incident:

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This is the point of contact:

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At all material times he’s looking away from his opponent and walking away.

From this you can draw one of 2 conclusions:

1) Igor is shrugging his opponent off and accidentally caught him in the face. This is not violent conduct

2) Igor decided to deliberately tw*t his opponent in the face because he fancies a few weeks off for Christmas shopping.
 

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The Guardian view on it, which I think is balanced: Brentford’s Igor Thiago is sent off for “pushing an opponent in the face with force”. Chema Andres had been hassling him for about 20 seconds of constant mini-fouling, and eventually Thiago has had enough of it and gives him a push. His hand catches his opponent’s chin, he goes down clutching his forehead, and VAR does the rest. It wasn’t nothing, for sure, but neither was it what Chema Andres pretended it was.
 

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Tough 1H. They are easily best team we have played. We were suffering ok, then they get an absolutely amazing goal, and Thiago headloss seals what otherwise looked like could have been a scrap
 

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If the media are saying we are more aggressive and physical maybe it is because they are watching us and it is obviously true.
 

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Thiago showing no contrition as he goes off after pretty obvious red.

Enough to draw blood though. The old saying is: “You can’t raise your hands.” Stupid of Thiago.
It’s just seems so soft, he didn’t strike him directly on the face, he pushed on the chest area with his forearm and it moved up. Drawing blood is not a marker of if it should be a red.

I seem to be in the minority on this one though so I guess my issue is the way these incidents are now reds and I don’t want them to be. Games gone and all that.
 

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Keith has tried something different against a very good side. Thiago moronic to get sent off for that. KLP moronic to give the ref a chance to give a pen (soft all be it) players on the pitch to be looked at first IMO
 

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This was Igor’s starting point for the red card incident:

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This is the point of contact:

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At all material times he’s looking away from his opponent and walking away.

From this you can draw one of 2 conclusions:

1) Igor is shrugging his opponent off and accidentally caught him in the face. This is not violent conduct

2) Igor decided to deliberately tw*t his opponent in the face because he fancies a few weeks off for Christmas shopping.

Spot on, it’s number 1) all day long but we are too easy for the Premier League to referee and stamp home how good they are on anything naughty
 

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Its just one of those days against a team for which just everything is going right. A worldie and 2 decisions that on other days may have had a different outcome. Given the non red card yesterday for the Leeds player saying the ref had no other option on Thiago does not wash with me. How often do penalties such as KLPs get given with the box like a war zone in other games? The whole ground was shocked. No consistency.
 

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Brighton are very streetwise
The ‘dark arts’ are an integral part of the game at this level and many teams are very good at it clearly coached or encouraged by coaching staff.

Referees in general are incapable of officiating it and just go with the flow often allowing VAR to decide with their frame by frame analysis.

I hate it but the reality is we are not including it as part of our game plan and/ or not very good at it. If we stick with that position we have to get better at anticipating it and not allow officials to be fooled into making a decision.
 

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As frustrating 45 minutes in a while ! We are soooo naive it’s ridiculous! Of course opponents will try and rough up our big centre forward to try and get a reaction , of course at corners you target the small guy then when you feel the shirt pull defy gravity by diving the other way ! Expect it , and deal with it better . This was a hard enough fixture without falling for 2 sucker punches.
 

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This was Igor’s starting point for the red card incident:

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This is the point of contact:

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At all material times he’s looking away from his opponent and walking away.

From this you can draw one of 2 conclusions:

1) Igor is shrugging his opponent off and accidentally caught him in the face. This is not violent conduct

2) Igor decided to deliberately tw*t his opponent in the face because he fancies a few weeks off for Christmas shopping.
You need to get a life, seriously. He was stupid and he was sent off. Just let it go and watch some football
 

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This was Igor’s starting point for the red card incident:

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This is the point of contact:

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At all material times he’s looking away from his opponent and walking away.

From this you can draw one of 2 conclusions:

1) Igor is shrugging his opponent off and accidentally caught him in the face. This is not violent conduct

2) Igor decided to deliberately tw*t his opponent in the face because he fancies a few weeks off for Christmas shopping.
Annoying thing is it's the Brighton player who gets up and goes at Thiago aggressively so he pushes him away. I think he meant to get his chest/shoulder but his arms went up.
 

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What I don’t understand is at the start of the season we had a very aggressive press and we looked very good for some reason that seems to have gone out the window and we are progressively looking worse. But we do need some fight and quality in midfield also Schade looks disinterested and if he won’t sign we should leave out of the squad
 

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Annoying thing is it's the Brighton player who gets up and goes at Thiago aggressively so he pushes him away. I think he meant to get his chest/shoulder but his arms went up.

This passive construction "his arms went up", come on.
 

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Who decided we’re more physical this season?
Maybe, just possibly, the players you blindly continue to defend to an insufferable and delusional level who have given the ref an easy decision to make yet again.

I know you want to be perceived as such a ride or die fan but maybe when so many people so clearly disagree with you, you might want to consider there's a reason for that and see sense rather than continuing pushing narratives about refs that by all accounts, is complete rubbish.
 

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If it were an isolated incident I'd say it is unfair on Thiago but it's not . It's the way Brentford play now.
 

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Annoying thing is it's the Brighton player who gets up and goes at Thiago aggressively so he pushes him away. I think he meant to get his chest/shoulder but his arms went up.
Yep this is my take too - clearly catches him in the face but no way he has intended to do that, was trying to get him out of his face. There was force so red card albeit unfortunate.
 
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