Final Score Brighton 2 Brentford 0

[lanzabee]

Both decisions were correct, and we were being given a footballing lesson at 11 v 11 anyway. Brighton are a very impressive team with some unimpressive and pathetic individuals.

We have a bit of a discipline issue. Don’t know why but needs sorting.

And I think we are owed an explanation why Madueke last week was allowed to stay on because Macallister was deemed to have started it, but today Thiago was sent off, on review no less despite Oliver looking straight at it, when he had been fouled and then barged in the chest.

Thiago is more blameworthy for not learning from the Yarmo incident. KLP needs to be given another role at corners because he pulls and grapples someone twice his size every week

Agree, KS likes pushing players too, not the first time, needs curbing. Opposition are playing on our indiscipline and at times naivety

 

[North London Bee]

No he didn’t, it was one hand and it wasn’t a push

It was stupid and pointless as was today and the Chelsea incident and he’s been booked twice which we can do without.

It’s just symptomatic of the lack of control some of the players are exhibiting even if they’ve been provoked.

 

[Greybeard]

Was a horrendous tactical mess. A rare blip from Andrew’s but the idea that KLP can be #10 in possession and a LWB out of it was madness. Too much of a gap and we just gave up so much space in midfield. I get not wanting to put Yarmo straight back in to avoid rewarding stupidity, but it really harmed us.

Andrews is very inexperienced. A good man manager and some admirable qualities. I like his loyalty, fairness and honesty. But tactically he is miles off. He will learn and in years to come perhaps he will be the real thing. But right now he's on a learning curve. We should be patient.

 

[Andy_Mc_is_God]

Worldie it may have been, but Kayode laid it on a plate for him.

Even I, 5’7” and 10st wringing wet on Gunnersbury Park, would’ve been p1ssed off with that header.

 

[Sandybee]

That was on Atwell, and according to Sky Co commentator Thiago unleashed a forearm smash, obviously he's never seen Mick Manus. Showing my age.

At least McManus did a good job of faking it.

 

[Westside]

Modern football’s gone, hasn’t it?

I know I’m in the minority, but its day like today that i miss League Two.
If you got a red card you probably deserved to be in magistrates’ court the next morning.
None of this technicality - fingernail touched his face - nonsense.

If you travelled to Hull i think most of us saw this result coming so wasn't a big
surprise.
Schade and Ouattara in the same team - It just doesn’t work. Never has. Why do we keep doing it?

& for fecks sake, please start Damsgaard.
Most creative player we’ve ever had and weve got him on bench. Hope they give him some pens and paper whilst he is on there.

Only positive from today? Thiago finally gets the rest he desperately needs. Keith never rests him, never takes him off, even when the hes running on empty. So this is good.
Arise Wilson!

 

[Twickenhamben]

Bonkers, we left ten minutes before the end and there were home fans sprinting for the trains. Then we had to wait 25 minutes and realised why. sh*t ground and sh*t result, spoilt an otherwise enjoyable weekend on the South Coast

I very rarely leave early but given the previous experiences there I left on 82 mins….. 3 trains going in 40 minutes to Brighton. Reckon you’d get 500 on a train so that’s 1500 fans out of the ground in 40 minutes.

There is no way I’d do that every other week.

 

[Poolieboydave]

& for fecks sake, please start Damsgaard.

 

[Baubaul]

I don’t know might be a blessing in disguise starting Wilson for the next three. I liked how he tried to do things.

Alternatively we might just recruit one of them pitch invading seagulls. At least they knew how to control the pitch and not get wind up in the first five seconds of a game

 

[Ashbee]

In all honesty even before the red card it was men against boys out there. Hate to say it but there a decent side and will probably have a decent season

 

[Jago16]

I very rarely leave early but given the previous experiences there I left on 82 mins….. 3 trains going in 40 minutes to Brighton. Reckon you’d get 500 on a train so that’s 1500 fans out of the ground in 40 minutes.

There is no way I’d do that every other week.

Based on the atmosphere I don’t think many people do. Was like watching cricket at times today

 

[Sofasteve]

Modern football’s gone, hasn’t it?

I know I’m in the minority, but its day like today that i miss League Two.
If you got a red card you probably deserved to be in magistrates’ court the next morning.
None of this technicality - fingernail touched his face - nonsense.

If you travelled to Hull i think most of us saw this result coming so wasn't a big
surprise.
Schade and Ouattara in the same team - It just doesn’t work. Never has. Why do we keep doing it?

& for fecks sake, please start Damsgaard.
Most creative player we’ve ever had and weve got him on bench. Hope they give him some pens and paper whilst he is on there.

Only positive from today? Thiago finally gets the rest he desperately needs. Keith never rests him, never takes him off, even when the hes running on empty. So this is good.
Arise Wilson!

I agree with this and our players need to make contact and tackles etc. whilst the ball is in play. However it's the "afters" has seen us really penalised twice this season.

 

[Scratchy]

It was always going to be a difficult game today but moments of unprofessionalism and ill discipline cost us any chance of making a positive impression on this game. We did well to dig in during that 2nd half to restrict the damage.

We need to learn the lessons from this game and learn them quickly.

 

[Werderbee]

I think common sense was lacking in the red card offence. We saw the replay, and it's a case of the recipient feining a smash to the face. Now, as the soft game is now, the Brighton ***** has brought one there. Once the ***** Oliver has seen that on the monitor, common sense would have said, the Brighton tw*t instigated that, and a bit of a retaliation and get on with it. The penalty . That's the sh*t ref view, other than that, we didn't lay a glove on them. A deserved home win, ref was a grade a *****. And were poor. So sue me

 

[Isleworth_Bee]

We can argue all day about the merits of the sending off, but we have to start getting smarter. We have given the officials a decision to make, once this happens its in the lap of the gods. Rightly or wrongly nothing is going to change, we have to play the game. At the point of contact Thiago has to go down, hate myself saying that but otherwise the end result stays the same. I posted on here after the Liverpool game that football has had it, it truly has, as confirmed each week. I dont even get mad anymore.

Too right. Tiago and co need to start playing the dark arts better.

Its crap but we need to play that part of the game better.

 

[BFC1997]

We went away from home up against one of the small number of teams worldwide that are better than us.

Beaten in the end by a worldy and a (soft) pen. Down to 10 for most of the game, I don’t think we can call that a disaster from Keith and the boys.

They beat an eleven-man City side last week at the Etihad. They beat an eleven-man Arsenal side 3-0 in September. Their GD is almost x2 that of the next best team in the league (Arsenal).

 

[Untouchable]

Too right. Tiago and co need to start playing the dark arts better.

Its crap but we need to play that part of the game better.

I probably agree that’s a case of joining them if you can’t beat them but listening to KAs post match interview, he obviously doesn’t want us to do this.

Which leaves us in a difficult position.

 

[jonnamanuk]

The cards are a direct result of our decision to be “more difficult to play against” “horrible to play against”. Keith’s more combative than Thomas ever was. That aggression has positive and negative outcomes. 4 reds so far this season. Discuss:

 

[TeeJayBee]

Some refs think that too.

In this instance, personally, 2 yellows were perfectly fine. Was being manhandled. And in his defence he never usually gets the foul so im surprised at this.
But they both have a coming together. Seen plenty of them punished with yellows.
Just don't see how Oliver can come to that decision based on 2 seconds.
And its also got to be clear and obvious.
Are you saying that our supposed best referee didn't see any of that in real time and didn't judge that to be a red at the time.

Any chance we’ll appeal this red? Very soft IMHO particularly when the whole sequence is viewed.

 

[Hookbee]

Im pleased I dont have to go there again this season, ground is great stadium but in middle no where like Readings and MK dons. Public transport is awful with upto 90 mins to get back to town centre!. (I left on 94 mins).

Food and drink is expensive, £10.50 a burger and £7.70 a beer. Fans are ok people but no atmosphere in the ground at all, even when they scored the 2nd!.

It is a nightmare to get out of that ground - I have tried the coach, the train and parking. All difficult but the queue for the station today - horrendous. I honestly don’t think I could put up with that every home game. Thank goodness for the Gtech and being located in the community, great transport links, pubs and just so much easier to get to/from. I hate going to Brighton, we never get any joy there and it is such a miserable travelling experience however you try and get there.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

It is a nightmare to get out of that ground - I have tried the coach, the train and parking. All difficult but the queue for the station today - horrendous. I honestly don’t think I could put up with that every home game. Thank goodness for the Gtech and being located in the community, great transport links, pubs and just so much easier to get to/from. I hate going to Brighton, we never get any joy there and it is such a miserable travelling experience however you try and get there.

Imagine going every week where you're desperate to leave on 80 minutes to get ahead of the queues. Madness.

 

[North London Bee]

Any chance we’ll appeal this red? Very soft IMHO particularly when the whole sequence is viewed.

The provocation is immaterial it’s what Thiago did that counts

 

[BFC1997]

Annoyingly, one positive was that Thiago was causing them problems before his red.

Later in the game is became clear that Dunk was never coping with Schade 1v1 but he just didn’t have enough support to force those situations with us being a man down. Soon as we went back to 2 up top with Wilson we threatened again. Unlucky to not see Schade connect with a great chance towards the end.

Would like to see more of Wilson-Schade together in the coming games even if not a 90-minute pairing.

 

[DaydreamBeeliever]

I wasn’t able to watch the game live, and have just seen highlights of the incident. So apologies if it’s already been discussed. But does Chema not make a very similar ‘head butting action’ that got Yarmolyuk a red card? Though worse because he’s initiated it. The geniuses at PGMOL seem to have succeeded at making the rather clear rules around violent conduct incredibly murky. But we can only play with the refs we have. Surely, we should be coaching our players to get hit by a sniper after such incidents? Undignified as it is.

 

[Cjs33]

Brighton fan here. Firstly I thought the thiago sending off was harsh - not sure VAR should've got involved but I guess the letter of the law dictates its a sending off offense however soft. Before the sending off though we were well on top but who knows how the rest of the game would've panned out had you not gone down to 10.

To those commenting on the ground - it really isnt usually too bad getting away, well ok worse than other more central grounds, but i live along the coast and it doesnt usually take too long to get home, especially if stay for a beer after before heading for the train too. Today though there were no trains along the coast cos of works, hence lots of fans heading off early, especially coupled with it being a sunday. As for the atmosphere, its been brilliant generally this season but atmosphere at all British grounds generally ebb and flow with whats going on on the pitch and today felt like a training game for the most part - we barely had to get out of first gear. Its a shame it wasnt better what with us going 2nd but there was no jeapordy on the pitch and we weren't really creating a lot despite so much possession.

Anyway, hope you boys do well this season. Seems like you've a very mixed start but really like Keith Andrews - he seems a really decent guy - and being a BHA fan I'm all for the little guys sticking two fingers to the establishment

 

[Isleworth_Bee]

I very rarely leave early but given the previous experiences there I left on 82 mins….. 3 trains going in 40 minutes to Brighton. Reckon you’d get 500 on a train so that’s 1500 fans out of the ground in 40 minutes.

There is no way I’d do that every other week.

I know its a Sunday so prob a different day out for some.

But every time we do Brighton (didn't today) we stay behind in the away bar for an hour have a couple of beers and wait for it to die down and hop on the next train.

 

[BFC1997]

To me it kinda looked like we just went 4-4-2 today, but at times it was 5-2-3 with Hickey narrow and KLP deep.

I think we probably should have just started with an extra CM (Yarmoliuk).

 

[psg150]

It's a marginal red card. Could be argued either way tbh. What can't be argued is how bad we were prior to that and how ill prepared we were for Brighton's excellent press which is what caused the frustration that led to the red card. Very unlike Brentford, very unlike Keith but we were set up wrong, the players didnt understand the system and we were overrun in midfield, the one area you absolutely need numbers and skill to compete in against such an organised press. Starting with two holding midfielders and no Damsgaard or Jensen was surrendering from minute one.

 

[BFC1997]

Brighton fan here. Firstly I thought the thiago sending off was harsh - not sure VAR should've got involved but I guess the letter of the law dictates its a sending off offense however soft. Before the sending off though we were well on top but who knows how the rest of the game would've panned out had you not gone down to 10.

To those commenting on the ground - it really isnt usually too bad getting away, well ok worse than other more central grounds, but i live along the coast and it doesnt usually take too long to get home, especially if stay for a beer after before heading for the train too. Today though there were no trains along the coast cos of works, hence lots of fans heading off early, especially coupled with it being a sunday. As for the atmosphere, its been brilliant generally this season but atmosphere at all British grounds all ebb and flow with whats going on on the pitch and today felt like a training game for the most part - we barely had to get out of first gear. Its a shame it wasnt better what with us going 2nd but there was no jeapordy on the pitch and we weren't really creating a lot despite so much possession.

Anyway, hope you boys do well this season. Seems like you've a very mixed start but really like Keith Andrews - he seems a really decent guy

The Amex is genuinely crap for getting away. Next time I’m reverting back to park and ride from Lewes for the shorter queues. Seemed to be more frequent trains going that direction from Falmer after the game that ones going towards Brighton!

Anyway, not sure our owner would agree but hope you beat Arsenal to the title this season.

 

[HMDBFC]

Let’s be honest, it doesn’t matter what anyone shouts, that red card was soft as sh*te. It’s the way our season is going, we get nothing, absolutely nothing, and rather than playing the game we are getting frustrated, reacting and bang, we get the punishment. The level of cheating and the way they are allowed to get away with it, the refs largely complicit, it’s quite unwatchable at times

Listening to Jonathan Pierce s MOTD2 commentary just now he would agree with you.
That wasn't the actions of a deliberate violent player. The game is full of players goading opposition into retaliation and then throwing themselves to the ground. It's out of hand.
Oliver set the tone in the first five minutes, he couldn't get his card out quick enough to Ajer could he.

 

[Cjs33]

I know its a Sunday so prob a different day out for some.

But every time we do Brighton (didn't today) we stay behind in the away bar for an hour have a couple of beers and wait for it to die down and hop on the next train.

Exactly this. Sunday is a sh*t day for football compared to Saturday and coupled with no trains along the coast loads more left early than normal. And the east lower opposite the cameras is the family area so always quicker to empty compared to everywhere else but makes it look worse on telly (annoyingly).

I go every home game and have done since the ground opened. Very rarely have a bad journey home unless there's issues with the trains, especially if stay for a beer after

 

[Andy_Mc_is_God]

Brighton fan here. Firstly I thought the thiago sending off was harsh - not sure VAR should've got involved but I guess the letter of the law dictates its a sending off offense however soft. Before the sending off though we were well on top but who knows how the rest of the game would've panned out had you not gone down to 10.

To those commenting on the ground - it really isnt usually too bad getting away, well ok worse than other more central grounds, but i live along the coast and it doesnt usually take too long to get home, especially if stay for a beer after before heading for the train too. Today though there were no trains along the coast cos of works, hence lots of fans heading off early, especially coupled with it being a sunday. As for the atmosphere, its been brilliant generally this season but atmosphere at all British grounds generally ebb and flow with whats going on on the pitch and today felt like a training game for the most part - we barely had to get out of first gear. Its a shame it wasnt better what with us going 2nd but there was no jeapordy on the pitch and we weren't really creating a lot despite so much possession.

Anyway, hope you boys do well this season. Seems like you've a very mixed start but really like Keith Andrews - he seems a really decent guy - and being a BHA fan I'm all for the little guys sticking two fingers to the establishment

Brentford fan in peace.
Just one comment.
Please just go forth and multiply.
Thanks

 

[Isleworth_Bee]

Exactly this. Sunday is a sh*t day for football compared to Saturday and coupled with no trains along the coast loads more left early than normal. And the east lower opposite the cameras is the family area so always quicker to empty compared to everywhere else but makes it look worse on telly (annoyingly).

I go every home game and have done since the ground opened. Very rarely have a bad journey home unless there's issues with the trains, especially if stay for a beer after

In my opinion there are far worse grounds to get away from then the Amex.

Normally a good day out.

 

[ziggys_human]

for the brief time the game was 11 versus 11, we barely laid a glove on them...until igor actually did!

a depressing watch

 

[Isleworth_Bee]

Brentford fan in peace.
Just one comment.
Please just feck off.
Thanks

I thought their contribution has been ok.

Dont mind an away fan so long as they are decent posters.

 

[Sammy Bee]

Brighton fan here. Firstly I thought the thiago sending off was harsh - not sure VAR should've got involved but I guess the letter of the law dictates its a sending off offense however soft. Before the sending off though we were well on top but who knows how the rest of the game would've panned out had you not gone down to 10.

To those commenting on the ground - it really isnt usually too bad getting away, well ok worse than other more central grounds, but i live along the coast and it doesnt usually take too long to get home, especially if stay for a beer after before heading for the train too. Today though there were no trains along the coast cos of works, hence lots of fans heading off early, especially coupled with it being a sunday. As for the atmosphere, its been brilliant generally this season but atmosphere at all British grounds generally ebb and flow with whats going on on the pitch and today felt like a training game for the most part - we barely had to get out of first gear. Its a shame it wasnt better what with us going 2nd but there was no jeapordy on the pitch and we weren't really creating a lot despite so much possession.

Anyway, hope you boys do well this season. Seems like you've a very mixed start but really like Keith Andrews - he seems a really decent guy - and being a BHA fan I'm all for the little guys sticking two fingers to the establishment

I live in Brighton so this hurts more than it should. On the Amex, the stadium is okay but the location and travel experience to it is rubbish. Every Brighton fan I know tries to make out it’s fine but it’s awful.

That said, Brighton are a great side and I think have a genuine shot at winning the league. Man City are gone and a few dodgy Arsenal results will see them through.

Ten years since we’ve won there, they have our number.

 

[Cjs33]

The Amex is genuinely crap for getting away. Next time I’m reverting back to park and ride from Lewes for the shorter queues. Seemed to be more frequent trains going that direction from Falmer after the game that ones going towards Brighton!

Anyway, not sure our owner would agree but hope you beat Arsenal to the title this season.

Maybe it feels worse for away fans, I dont know, but its fine most of the time really. Sunday service today but not sure why it seemed fewer going to brighton. Perhaps to do with no trains along the coast.

As for beating arsenal to the title... it seems like theyre going to bore their way to another title, and we'll have to actually win a game in December for a change to keep up anyway! We'll see...

 

[aawharris]

Modern football’s gone, hasn’t it?

I know I’m in the minority, but its day like today that i miss League Two.
If you got a red card you probably deserved to be in magistrates’ court the next morning.
None of this technicality - fingernail touched his face - nonsense.

If you travelled to Hull i think most of us saw this result coming so wasn't a big
surprise.
Schade and Ouattara in the same team - It just doesn’t work. Never has. Why do we keep doing it?

& for fecks sake, please start Damsgaard.
Most creative player we’ve ever had and weve got him on bench. Hope they give him some pens and paper whilst he is on there.

Only positive from today? Thiago finally gets the rest he desperately needs. Keith never rests him, never takes him off, even when the hes running on empty. So this is good.
Arise Wilson!

Schade and Outtara in the same team seems to have worked pretty well for the last 14 months?

 

[Twickenhamben]

Today was a good example of how I’m struggling more and more with modern premier league football.

Off the field a soulless ground that’s a nightmare to get to and from. Brighton are flying but the home fans created no atmosphere and it felt more like a harlequins home game than a top flight football match. Our support was better but I do struggle with the “bigger” away games where the first five rows sit passively waiting to be entertained…. Again at times it felt like i was at the rugby. I guess that’s just the modern football fan.

On the pitch I can’t stand the double standards. Wrestling matches at corners with the referee (as he did today) deciding to punish at whim. Opposition players reacting to “contact” and then having a ref look at slow motion replay on a screen to deem that a push to a face violent contact. Players just going to the ground at the slightest contact and “winning” a free kick.

I genuinely love the journey we’re on and it’s incredible - but occasionally I’d love an old school away day and a game where both teams are having a go rather than looking to just deceive the ref for 90 minutes.

 

[Banana]

Maybe it feels worse for away fans,

Yes, they have the away section furthest away from the station. Dasteredly people.

 

[jlove]

It was always going to be a difficult game today but moments of unprofessionalism and ill discipline cost us any chance of making a positive impression on this game. We did well to dig in during that 2nd half to restrict the damage.

We need to learn the lessons from this game and learn them quickly.

... and that's the bottom line.

Thiago has to learn to turn the other cheek, particularly when the officials have clearly spotted the offence against him, and break out that smile. Lewis-Potter has to learn to ask for an opposition player's shirt after the game, not try to take it off him in the penalty box.

The root cause of both of these follies was that we were being totally dominated – partly because we were very passive but mainly because Brighton were very confident in their play and quickly exploited our weaknesses. I admired them playing high with quite precise distances between their players, so there was always a player or two ready to receive a pass and to create 'triangles' wide on each side. They worked out our weaknesses, then passed quickly and accurately to each other and pressed individual players of ours who were clearly panicking in possession.

The coaching staff must learn the lessons and communicate clearly both regarding personal self-control and the tactics to recognise when this is happening and how to support each other in a defensive structure.

The changes Keith made improved us, particularly Collins, Diouf and Yarmoliuk.

 

[Cjs33]

I thought their contribution has been ok.

Dont mind an away fan so long as they are decent posters.

Yeah ive not come here to gloat or anything at all. I like brentford and other smaller clubs doing well - we're pretty similar clubs really (although I hate the media '3 Bs' thing).

Your fans are always a decent bunch at the amex too - never any issues

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Just seen the replay of the red card for the first time. You can talk about letter of the law and what you can and can't do as much as you like but we shouldn't have laws that are sending off and giving three match bans for that surely. Soft laws like this simply lead to more play acting - it isn't the game that we want to watch at all.

 

[Isleworth_Bee]

Today was a good example of how I’m struggling more and more with modern premier league football.

Off the field a soulless ground that’s a nightmare to get to and from. Brighton are flying but the home fans created no atmosphere and it felt more like a harlequins home game than a top flight football match. Our support was better but I do struggle with the “bigger” away games where the first five rows sit passively waiting to be entertained…. Again at times it felt like i was at the rugby. I guess that’s just the modern football fan.

On the pitch I can’t stand the double standards. Wrestling matches at corners with the referee (as he did today) deciding to punish at whim. Opposition players reacting to “contact” and then having a ref look at slow motion replay on a screen to deem that a push to a face violent contact. Players just going to the ground at the slightest contact and “winning” a free kick.

I genuinely love the journey we’re on and it’s incredible - but occasionally I’d love an old school away day and a game where both teams are having a go rather than looking to just deceive the ref for 90 minutes.

Stop moaning about the first 5 odd rows and people sitting.

How about thinking that they are fans that arent able to stand or have young kids with them.

No one has any right to expect them to stand.

 

[North London Bee]

Jus seen the replay of the red card for the first time. You can talk about letter of the law and what you can and can't do as much as you like but we shouldn't have laws that are sending off and giving three match bans for that surely. Soft laws like this simply lead to more play acting - it isn't the game that we want to watch at all.

There I totally agree with you. I just thought it was a nailed on red card given the rules as they are interpreted nowadays.

 

[VML87]

I live in Brighton so this hurts more than it should. On the Amex, the stadium is okay but the location and travel experience to it is rubbish. Every Brighton fan I know tries to make out it’s fine but it’s awful.

That said, Brighton are a great side and I think have a genuine shot at winning the league. Man City are gone and a few dodgy Arsenal results will see them through.

Ten years since we’ve won there, they have our number.

They will get CL, I still think they’re miles off winning the league. Such a great side though

 

[Boston Bee]

So don’t watch it
And if you’re here just to support a team that’s successful I suggest you’d be better off jumping ship and ‘supporting’ someone else.
Thick and thin mate.
It’s a life choice.

I've been writing on The Griffin Park Grapevine for over 26 years, and don't need you lecturing me about thick and thin. I've done more than my share of thin.
You throw on a center back for a forward when we're down two goals to make sure 2-0 doesn't become 8-0, I get it. If KA has told them he was behind them and asked them to be brave, I'd have stuck with it. But what he said at half was let's get this over with and get out of here. Again, I get it. But I didn't have to watch it.
Do not lecture me about my support.

 

[Kingston Bee]

I probably agree that’s a case of joining them if you can’t beat them but listening to KAs post match interview, he obviously doesn’t want us to do this.

Which leaves us in a difficult position.

Agree, but then the only option is to take the *hit and rise above it, no retaliation.That takes more discipline than we are currently showing.

 

[Untouchable]

Agree, but then the only option is to take the *hit and rise above it, no retaliation.That takes more discipline than we are currently showing.

Yep. And since clubs have ongoing dialogue with ProRef I hope that MB and/or PG are raising with Howard Webb the volume of dark arts sh*thousery and have been given assurances it will be dealt with.

 

[TadB]

I'm with you but they all know what happens if you do what he did.

He needs to take his medicine

What about the Brighton player taking his medicine!