Final Score Brighton 2 Brentford 0

[EastBilneyBee]

....couldn't edit my above post #849 for some reason but

...much as we supporters were confused at the roles of Aaron and KLP (see earlier posts), I think both, particularly KLP was/were equally confused, meaning that at times, we had a 2-man midfield that was being totally over-run and ineffective

In addition, and particularly after Thiago had been sent off, Kelleher's distribution left a lot to be desired (and whilst it has been called a 'worldie' I think that he could have got closer to, if not saved, the first goal - he took a 2-movement step to his right as the ball flew towards the goal, which if it had been a continuous movement, might, might have resulted in an out-of-this-world save

 

[North London Bee]

....couldn't edit my above post #849 for some reason but

...much as we supporters were confused at the roles of Aaron and KLP (see earlier posts), I think both, particularly KLP was/were equally confused, meaning that at times, we had a 2-man midfield that was being totally over-run and ineffective

In addition, and particularly after Thiago had been sent off, Kelleher's distribution left a lot to be desired (and whilst it has been called a 'worldie' I think that he could have got closer to, if not saved, the first goal - he took a 2-movement step to his right as the ball flew towards the goal, which if it had been a continuous movement, might, might have resulted in an out-of-this-world save

Superman wouldn’t have saved it

 

[TadB]

I prefer Wilson, his experience improved us second half.

But here is the secret they don’t want you to know:

“NONE OF US ARE THE BRENTFORD FC MANAGER”

Should we all take you last statement literally then GPG may as well close down! This site is for opinions and debate.

 

[stevil]

Superman wouldn’t have saved it

I was right behind it. Incredible strike.

 

[ppobee]

I was right behind it. Incredible strike.

Agreed, Kelleher had no chance with that, as clean a strike as you will see. And a great pen too.

 

[Gazza Bee]

OK, but what about a Red for the player who aggressively pushed his head within a few inches of Thiego face? Was it any different to Yarmulkes Red?

Clearly as he didn't make contact...unless you make contact then you are not getting a red card.

 

[Gazza Bee]

....couldn't edit my above post #849 for some reason but

...much as we supporters were confused at the roles of Aaron and KLP (see earlier posts), I think both, particularly KLP was/were equally confused, meaning that at times, we had a 2-man midfield that was being totally over-run and ineffective

In addition, and particularly after Thiago had been sent off, Kelleher's distribution left a lot to be desired (and whilst it has been called a 'worldie' I think that he could have got closer to, if not saved, the first goal - he took a 2-movement step to his right as the ball flew towards the goal, which if it had been a continuous movement, might, might have resulted in an out-of-this-world save

Agree with paragraph 1, we got overrun because KLP was playing LWB out of possession so not able to join the midfield to make a 3. I think if KA could run it back he would change tactics because it gave them complete control in the middle of the park.

However 2nd paragraph is nonsense, no keeper in the world is getting near that. Sometimes you have to simply applaud the strike not look for fault.

 

[stevil]

Agreed, Kelleher had no chance with that, as clean a strike as you will see. And a great pen too.

Yep.

 

[Untouchable]

Clearly as he didn't make contact...unless you make contact then you are not getting a red card.

Not quite correct. Attempting to strike with excessive force or brutality is still violent conduct even if contact isn’t made.

 

[Gazza Bee]

Not quite correct. Attempting to strike with excessive force or brutality is still violent conduct even if contact isn’t made.

Yeah well that wasn't excessive force so wasn't a red card. Similar to YY but he actually made contact albeit minimal and shouldn't have been sent off.

 

[TorbayBee]

I was right behind it. Incredible strike.

To put it in context and emphasising Brightons run of good fortune. I spoke to a friend who is a long term Brighton fan and he laughed about the first goal saying ‘ we were all amazed Gomez has never hit a shot with his left foot before’.
Sometimes it’s just one of those days.

 

[Vid]

I was pleased to hear from Keith, as a club we will never revert to sh1t house tactics of going down holding faces in an attempt to get a player sent off.

 

[JCMcBee]

I was pleased to hear from Keith, as a club we will never revert to sh1t house tactics of going down holding faces in an attempt to get a player sent off.

.... indeed... someone needs to make a stand....these theatrics we are witnessing on an increasing basis are imo directly related to VAR..... playing up for the camera.... this sadly will persist as long as VAR is a thing... it's incredibly sad.

 

[TadB]

Clearly as he didn't make contact...unless you make contact then you are not getting a red card.

Explain how Yarmulke received his Red Card. No contact only a Head Butt movement.

 

[TadB]

To put it in context and emphasising Brightons run of good fortune. I spoke to a friend who is a long term Brighton fan and he laughed about the first goal saying ‘ we were all amazed Gomez has never hit a shot with his left foot before’.
Sometimes it’s just one of those days.

It was laid on a plate for him.

 

[Gazza Bee]

Explain how Yarmulke received his Red Card. No contact only a Head Butt movement.

There was contact even if it was minimal which is the key difference

 

[TadB]

There was contact even if it was minimal which is the key difference

Rubbish. If you were at the match you would have heard the Referee explain why he was sending him off“A Head Butt movement”, no mention of carrying the act out. If you watched it on TV you would have seen with your own eyes that there was no contact.

 

[Banana]

Reminder: The is the Brighton Match thread, not the Liverpool one.

 

[Oh Beehave]

I thought he made the point well, and what he said matched what they said on the BBC - that what's happening is a game plan to goad players into reacting is being rewarded. I hate it.

I do think it’s strange that clear provocation isn’t taken into account. In this case fouling Thiago followed by shouting abuse in his face so close their noses are almost touching. Then the fact that Thiago wasn’t looking at him when his arm made contact with his face as he tried to get himself away. Gutted for him to miss 3 matches just as he was starting to find form and feels really strange there seems to be no basis for appeal based on the above.

Combined with the penalty dive it was a masterclass in the dark arts and KA’s right we need to learn. Hope he acts on his own advice.

 

[Matty D]

Explain how Yarmulke received his Red Card. No contact only a Head Butt movement.

There's always head contact with a Yarmulke....

 

[Greybeard]

It either should or it shouldn't (and I'm inclined to agree that it should). But surely the point is that it should be the same for everyone?

Absolutely.

 

[TorbayBee]

Watched the game again(sad) . The total commitment of the team, the level of organisations, our skill and our passion were brilliant. Just a couple of things to fall into place and we will be amazing. Sometimes adversity can be the architect of success

 

[EastBilneyBee]

Superman wouldn’t have saved it

..Superman probably wouldn't have paused - fractionally - mid-flight....and I did say 'might' twice to emphasise that it could only have been a possibility

My view on the Thiago 'incident' is that all he was doing, as he attempted to get into position to get on with the game, was to try to shove Chema away from him - the fact that his arm caught him in the mouth was purely incidental, he wasn't even looking at him whilst it happened

 

[EastBilneyBee]

BTW 'Superman' isn't real.....

 

[North London Bee]

No keeper on earth would have saved either Brighton goal. Total perfection

 

[LongLostBee]

I see Andy Jacobs was at it again on talksport....everyone questioning the Thiago decision except him saying it's right.
Has the Chelsea goblin been banned from the Gtech yet?

 

[Kingston Bee]

No keeper on earth would have saved either Brighton goal. Total perfection

True, but in most games the penalty would not have been awarded in the first place.

 

[TadB]

True, but in most games the penalty would not have been awarded in the first place.

True, but in most games Kayode would not have placed his defensive header on a plate for the first goal.
So nil nil it is then!

 

[IslandBee]

OK, but what about a Red for the player who aggressively pushed his head within a few inches of Thiego face? Was it any different to Yarmulkes Red?

A red for him would have been fine with me as well.

 

[IslandBee]

Sometimes one can get sick of the drip drip drip of negativity that goes on. Your posts on this game are well over the top. The Tiago incident is not cut and dried as the media debate shows, we are in the top 10 in the Premier League (yes us little Brentford) , we have lost 2 games all season and none with a full 11. But still you hint at bigger issues , say we are under performing.
Are we playing as well as we could ? probably not but that’s the swings and roundabouts of any season. Are we playing badly , absolutely not.
My suggestion is Judge this season when it’s done not after a quarter of the games .
I too have posted on here for years , I too try to be courteous but congratulations your negativity dressed up as clear thinking made me snap.

My posts on the thread for this game have been based on what I have seen last few games, not just this one.

Ultimately, time will tell whether I am being excessively negative, but there is a pretty much equal chance that you are being excessively positive given our recent run of form.

If things improve, if we play well against Everton for example, I will say so - I don't 'dress' things up: I tell it as I see it and that means I am not wedded to a negative narrative.

 

[lanzabee]

....couldn't edit my above post #849 for some reason but

...much as we supporters were confused at the roles of Aaron and KLP (see earlier posts), I think both, particularly KLP was/were equally confused, meaning that at times, we had a 2-man midfield that was being totally over-run and ineffective

In addition, and particularly after Thiago had been sent off, Kelleher's distribution left a lot to be desired (and whilst it has been called a 'worldie' I think that he could have got closer to, if not saved, the first goal - he took a 2-movement step to his right as the ball flew towards the goal, which if it had been a continuous movement, might, might have resulted in an out-of-this-world save

To me at times it looked like both KLP and Hickey were playing left back in a 5 man defence. Either way it didn't work and whilst I appreciate the need to adapt tactically for different opponents I always prefer seeing us in a 4231 with Jensen or Damsgard pulling the strings, going at the opposition. That for me is us at our best and I hope this Hickey experiment is going to draw to a close now.

 

[lanzabee]

My posts on the thread for this game have been based on what I have seen last few games, not just this one.

Ultimately, time will tell whether I am being excessively negative, but there is a pretty much equal chance that you are being excessively positive given our recent run of form.

If things improve, if we play well against Everton for example, I will say so - I don't 'dress' things up: I tell it as I see it and that means I am not wedded to a negative narrative.

I think that's fair enough - we have been both undefeated but at times unconvincimg until Brighton. Hopefully we'll bounce back with a better performance

 

[kewbee]

To me at times it looked like both KLP and Hickey were playing left back in a 5 man defence. Either way it didn't work and whilst I appreciate the need to adapt tactically for different opponents I always prefer seeing us in a 4231 with Jensen or Damsgard pulling the strings, going at the opposition. That for me is us at our best and I hope this Hickey experiment is going to draw to a close now.

Exactly correct. When Brighton were in possession KLP dropped to left back and Hickey moved inside. It left us short in midfield with little outlet on the turnover.
I thought Keith had binned 5 at the back early last season and I hope that’s the last we see of it.

 

[busheybee]

Interesting that the "physical" Brentford team (according to Hurzeler pre-match) committed 4 less fouls than Brighton, (7 against 11), and Yellow card count was Brighton 4, Brentford 2....

He said it again post match, something about how they'd stood up to a physical Brentford side.
A snidey way of pushing the (negative) rhetoric. Last year we were just a long ball team, this year we're physical.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

He said it again post match, something about how they'd stood up to a physical Brentford side.
A snidey way of pushing the (negative) rhetoric. Last year we were just a long ball team, this year we're physical.

The irony being that they didn't stand up in the game's biggest moment.

 

[badgerbee]

The irony being that they didn't stand up in the game's biggest moment.

And that they committed more fouls and had more Yellow cards than us..................

 

[Oh Beehave]

Pleased to see this Brentford news: Bees to appeal Igor Thiago's red card

 

[seanrs]

No keeper on earth would have saved either Brighton goal. Total perfection

Most definitely. There are times when a goal looks like a worldie because of the keepers positioning but this was not one of them. It was an actual worldie.

 

[ladbroke]

When we play them next, make sure Chema has something to cry about.

 

[Oldboy TW8 0AW]

All that this olden can say is the return match will be interesting!

 

[Oh Beehave]

Pleased to see this Brentford news: Bees to appeal Igor Thiago's red card

Bah… Step forward Wilson!

Brentford news: Igor Thiago to serve three-match ban after Bees appeal against red card rejected

 

[jonnamanuk]

I don't think Chema got booked for simulation? More likely for the original foul/his role in the scuffle afterwards. Presumably in @jonnamanuk's suggestion, there's scope for a second yellow for his theatrics. In which case I'd be all for it..

Exactly. You’ve fallen over when there was absolutely minimal contact. Then you’ve rolled around making it look like your hurt.
2 lots of simulation.

I’d also book people that seemed really hurt one minute but then are fine the next. What’s really good about that is that, you wouldn’t stop the game to book them. You’d book them at the next break in play.

So, after falling over, rolling around, staying down, then, suddenly leaping up and sprinting back fine… you carry on playing, the ball goes out for a throw, and the red just blows the whistle, points at a player, and books them.

Would be quite comical.

 

[lanzabee]

And that they committed more fouls and had more Yellow cards than us..................

And threw themselves to the ground at any opportunity. No less than four different players did this, so clearly coached into them

 

[lanzabee]

Exactly. You’ve fallen over when there was absolutely minimal contact. Then you’ve rolled around making it look like your hurt.
2 lots of simulation.

I’d also book people that seemed really hurt one minute but then are fine the next. What’s really good about that is that, you wouldn’t stop the game to book them. You’d book them at the next break in play.

So, after falling over, rolling around, staying down, then, suddenly leaping up and sprinting back fine… you carry on playing, the ball goes out for a throw, and the red just blows the whistle, points at a player, and books them.

Would be quite comical.

Make it a red card if you really want to stamp it out

 

[King Bee]

Bah… Step forward Wilson!

I’m still somewhat taken back how quickly the decision was made. FA rules give Brentford until 1pm the day after the match to give notice and 1pm the following day (Tuesday in this case) to file its claim and evidence.

If the Commission reached a final decision before receiving a timely submission, that would raise a serious procedural question. The FA Handbook says the Commission decides the claim after considering the evidence. Kinsella’s morning report on the Beeb covered Brentford’s intention to appeal, but didn’t establish when the Commission reached its decision. Yet we know Howard was already dropping articles in the press as if the decision was a fait accompli…

FA Handbook, p. 260, paragraph 12.2⁠

 

[jlove]

I’m still somewhat taken back how quickly the decision was made.

I would expect that the panel members are scheduled in advance and probably something like every second Tuesday, so probably just coincidence.

 

[Banana]

I’m still somewhat taken back how quickly the decision was made. FA rules give Brentford until 1pm the day after the match to give notice and 1pm the following day (Tuesday in this case) to file its claim and evidence.

If the Commission reached a final decision before receiving a timely submission, that would raise a serious procedural question. The FA Handbook says the Commission decides the claim after considering the evidence. Kinsella’s morning report on the Beeb covered Brentford’s intention to appeal, but didn’t establish when the Commission reached its decision. Yet we know Howard was already dropping articles in the press as if the decision was a fait accompli…

FA Handbook, p. 260, paragraph 12.2⁠

The papers were in shortly before 1pm, the club heard 5 hours later. I understand the panel sat Tuesday afternoon.

They will have known our papers were arriving as we had until 1pm Monday to state we were considering appealing and then 5pm to confirm that we were definitely appealing.

So they could easily have been sat by the fax machine at 1pm, jumped on a conference call and all agreed to issue the boilerplate response by five past the hour.

Certainly we knew who was chairing the appeal on Monday, so I guess he did too - as did his two "co-conspiritors". Of course they have to get to the "correct" decision as it's a gravy train for these ex-footballers who train in sports law as this is the only gig availble to them. If they go against the grain then it's back to a wet and cold field in non-league coaching to put out the cones.

I could liken it to being on the deciding on a disciplinary appeal for your employer. Get that wrong and you don't get to do it again!

 

[Untouchable]

The papers were in shortly before 1pm, the club heard 5 hours later. I understand the panel sat Tuesday afternoon.

They will have known our papers were arriving as we had until 1pm Monday to state we were considering appealing and then 5pm to confirm that we were definitely appealing.

So they could easily have been sat by the fax machine at 1pm, jumped on a conference call and all agreed to issue the boilerplate response by five past the hour.

Certainly we knew who was chairing the appeal on Monday, so I guess he did too - as did his two "co-conspiritors". Of course they have to get to the "correct" decision as it's a gravy train for these ex-footballers who train in sports law as this is the only gig availble to them. If they go against the grain then it's back to a wet and cold field in non-league coaching to put out the cones. I could liken it to being on the deciding on a discipinary appeal for your employer. Get that wrong and you don't have to do it again!

And then they need to leak the outcome to Dale Johnson.

 

[King Bee]

And then they need to leak the outcome to Dale Johnson.

Exactly. The decision was clearly made before Brentford submitted their evidence. That I have no doubt and you can see how it was played out in the press from the initial Brentford are appealing and here are the likely avenues of appeal to the Dale exclusive a few hours later. Having worked in editorial in a previous life, these stories have sat in the inboxes of subeditors for hours before they are published online. Especially at an organisation like the Beeb.

 

[Kingston Bee]

Exactly. The decision was clearly made before Brentford submitted their evidence. That I have no doubt and you can see how it was played out in the press from the initial Brentford are appealing and here are the likely avenues of appeal to the Dale exclusive a few hours later. Having worked in editorial in a previous life, these stories have sat in the inboxes of subeditors for hours before they are published online. Especially at an organisation like the Beeb.

It makes me think even more that football does not show itself to be fair to all clubs, preferential treatment, corruption or whatever word you choose but it stinks. There are many more examples.