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Is that the Tuesday swingers club off the A34- enjoy!
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Is that the Tuesday swingers club off the A34- enjoy!
NorthamptonBee
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Does the a34 go to Agios Gorgious North in Corfu? If so then maybe, I shared a plane with taxi from the GPG, he may be in this hotel but we all wear masks all day.
sonofabee
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You're not out there filming the latest series of Sun, Sea and suspicious parents are you? lol
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NorthamptonBee
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I doubt it, my mum is in Isleworth as far as I know, you've got me thinking though.
sonofabee
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You need to watch it mate, the parents are secretly flown out and watching your every move. Seen any binocular lenses glinting in the distance ? Catch up when you're up to attending again.
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No offence intended. I didn't think enough about how an intended light hearted comment might be perceived.
sonofabee
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Touchy? Thought you hacks were supposed to have thick skin. I did the smiley thing.
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Interesting to see how Rosler has evolved this season, his charming eloquent demeanour is proving difficult to maintain as the season has not even got into gear.
After being the most prepared Brentford side to start a season in recent history we peaked in mid to end of July, but since a ragging of ragged Sheffield United, we have failed to impress beyond 20 minute bursts.
Uwe has self inflicted this pressure this past month with the Derby PR backfiring, words like "unrepentant" and "development progress" were warm noise to a lot of the away following, regardless of what the club thought. 5 nil defeats are not progress for anybody, ask Bonham as he hides behind Royce for the next 9 months! Us away fans don't need to be preached to about the bigger picture, we've been living it for decades but Uwe's insistence he was right when his selected fell down made him look out of touch! A little humility and common sense would have seemed wiser but what do we know. :sad:
So the pressure carried over to Carlisle, the more important game, a club on its arse in confidence with his manager crossing the t's on his P45. A flat warm up, a flat game. No win and nobody understands. Followed by a return of Trotta to stir us all. This is so far from Plan A, start of season, it seemed a knee jerk not measured Rosler mapping. Up to Bradford and after Button disappears and some crazy selections of people out of position we hide for the first time and get a second hiding in 10 days this time with our first team, Rosler sits on the bench with Kernaghan for ages afterwards whilst the stadium empties. Hmm this isn't the important six game start Uwe focussed on.
A great win at Tranmere but we are letting in goals like a swinging creaky gate and Craig and Dean (Nick Logan is spot on in that respect) make errors whilst others get slaughtered. So to last night after we jostled and sparred with Orient but ultimately we leave with another flat feeling.
To this simple supporter, we look nervy and frantic, pass at pace and run like hell, control is in haste and only Forshaw is good enough to shine as we panic as the goals at home get scarcer, the rest try their best, but its becoming a muddle.
Too many players, too many options or so it seems, like a kid in a sweet shop with a fiver it seems we will have one of them and one of them, at the moment it seems spin the bottle and pick him cos he's not had a go recently. Rosler looks fed up, agitated, looking at the players the whole thing lacks a spark, there aren't many smiles and certainly not much enjoyment on show by Uwe or the players and more of a concern after going behind at Bradford and last night a going through the motions with not much passion.
Sometimes it seems football is a simple game, it don't feel like that at the moment, Rosler is getting in a tangle of his own making, he's had a bad month, he knows it, we know it. This is where good managers turn the tide, show their mettle. Uwe's is feeling the heat of pre season expectation, September was always a tough gig with 3 Aways but October is full of home games, time to ditch the meticulous analysis of opponents strengths and trust your judgement and trust your best team. The scales are interestingly balanced but our season needs to kickstart rather than drift in October or you feel the crowd will start to drift and then the winter will be a stormy one.
After being the most prepared Brentford side to start a season in recent history we peaked in mid to end of July, but since a ragging of ragged Sheffield United, we have failed to impress beyond 20 minute bursts.
Uwe has self inflicted this pressure this past month with the Derby PR backfiring, words like "unrepentant" and "development progress" were warm noise to a lot of the away following, regardless of what the club thought. 5 nil defeats are not progress for anybody, ask Bonham as he hides behind Royce for the next 9 months! Us away fans don't need to be preached to about the bigger picture, we've been living it for decades but Uwe's insistence he was right when his selected fell down made him look out of touch! A little humility and common sense would have seemed wiser but what do we know. :sad:
So the pressure carried over to Carlisle, the more important game, a club on its arse in confidence with his manager crossing the t's on his P45. A flat warm up, a flat game. No win and nobody understands. Followed by a return of Trotta to stir us all. This is so far from Plan A, start of season, it seemed a knee jerk not measured Rosler mapping. Up to Bradford and after Button disappears and some crazy selections of people out of position we hide for the first time and get a second hiding in 10 days this time with our first team, Rosler sits on the bench with Kernaghan for ages afterwards whilst the stadium empties. Hmm this isn't the important six game start Uwe focussed on.
A great win at Tranmere but we are letting in goals like a swinging creaky gate and Craig and Dean (Nick Logan is spot on in that respect) make errors whilst others get slaughtered. So to last night after we jostled and sparred with Orient but ultimately we leave with another flat feeling.
To this simple supporter, we look nervy and frantic, pass at pace and run like hell, control is in haste and only Forshaw is good enough to shine as we panic as the goals at home get scarcer, the rest try their best, but its becoming a muddle.
Too many players, too many options or so it seems, like a kid in a sweet shop with a fiver it seems we will have one of them and one of them, at the moment it seems spin the bottle and pick him cos he's not had a go recently. Rosler looks fed up, agitated, looking at the players the whole thing lacks a spark, there aren't many smiles and certainly not much enjoyment on show by Uwe or the players and more of a concern after going behind at Bradford and last night a going through the motions with not much passion.
Sometimes it seems football is a simple game, it don't feel like that at the moment, Rosler is getting in a tangle of his own making, he's had a bad month, he knows it, we know it. This is where good managers turn the tide, show their mettle. Uwe's is feeling the heat of pre season expectation, September was always a tough gig with 3 Aways but October is full of home games, time to ditch the meticulous analysis of opponents strengths and trust your judgement and trust your best team. The scales are interestingly balanced but our season needs to kickstart rather than drift in October or you feel the crowd will start to drift and then the winter will be a stormy one.
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This thread has gone ballistic since the Derby game.
As Mick C has just pointed out, this is a hole largely of Uwe's own making, so let's see him get out of it.
Also, I find it hard to imagine that Matthew Benham hasn't begun to start wondering himself whether or not Uwe is capable.
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Good summing up as usual Mick
I do wonder whether things are that good inside the dressing room, the reported antics from Hayes presumably was in response to something said and rumour has it that in training Rosler is getting very feisty which does not lead to a good team spirit
Have no idea how the players feel about their manager but it does seem they are struggling to follow instructions which indicates the first signs of internal problems where there is only going to be one loser
We have bemoaned our luck this season and last at various times and I am always mindful of Napoleans comment to the effect that he preferred a lucky general to a clever one, perhaps this is something that MB needs to ponder on
I do wonder whether things are that good inside the dressing room, the reported antics from Hayes presumably was in response to something said and rumour has it that in training Rosler is getting very feisty which does not lead to a good team spirit
Have no idea how the players feel about their manager but it does seem they are struggling to follow instructions which indicates the first signs of internal problems where there is only going to be one loser
We have bemoaned our luck this season and last at various times and I am always mindful of Napoleans comment to the effect that he preferred a lucky general to a clever one, perhaps this is something that MB needs to ponder on
dbee3
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Thank f*ck for that. Phew. Here I was concerned about the way we have started the season. I wish you'd told us this earlier.
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Interesting to see how Rosler has evolved this season, his charming eloquent demeanour is proving difficult to maintain as the season has not even got into gear.
After being the most prepared Brentford side to start a season in recent history we peaked in mid to end of July, but since a ragging of ragged Sheffield United, we have failed to impress beyond 20 minute bursts.
Uwe has self inflicted this pressure this past month with the Derby PR backfiring, words like "unrepentant" and "development progress" were warm noise to a lot of the away following, regardless of what the club thought. 5 nil defeats are not progress for anybody, ask Bonham as he hides behind Royce for the next 9 months! Us away fans don't need to be preached to about the bigger picture, we've been living it for decades but Uwe's insistence he was right when his selected fell down made him look out of touch! A little humility and common sense would have seemed wiser but what do we know. :sad:
So the pressure carried over to Carlisle, the more important game, a club on its arse in confidence with his manager crossing the t's on his P45. A flat warm up, a flat game. No win and nobody understands. Followed by a return of Trotta to stir us all. This is so far from Plan A, start of season, it seemed a knee jerk not measured Rosler mapping. Up to Bradford and after Button disappears and some crazy selections of people out of position we hide for the first time and get a second hiding in 10 days this time with our first team, Rosler sits on the bench with Kernaghan for ages afterwards whilst the stadium empties. Hmm this isn't the important six game start Uwe focussed on.
A great win at Tranmere but we are letting in goals like a swinging creaky gate and Craig and Dean (Nick Logan is spot on in that respect) make errors whilst others get slaughtered. So to last night after we jostled and sparred with Orient but ultimately we leave with another flat feeling.
To this simple supporter, we look nervy and frantic, pass at pace and run like hell, control is in haste and only Forshaw is good enough to shine as we panic as the goals at home get scarcer, the rest try their best, but its becoming a muddle.
Too many players, too many options or so it seems, like a kid in a sweet shop with a fiver it seems we will have one of them and one of them, at the moment it seems spin the bottle and pick him cos he's not had a go recently. Rosler looks fed up, agitated, looking at the players the whole thing lacks a spark, there aren't many smiles and certainly not much enjoyment on show by Uwe or the players and more of a concern after going behind at Bradford and last night a going through the motions with not much passion.
Sometimes it seems football is a simple game, it don't feel like that at the moment, Rosler is getting in a tangle of his own making, he's had a bad month, he knows it, we know it. This is where good managers turn the tide, show their mettle. Uwe's is feeling the heat of pre season expectation, September was always a tough gig with 3 Aways but October is full of home games, time to ditch the meticulous analysis of opponents strengths and trust your judgement and trust your best team. The scales are interestingly balanced but our season needs to kickstart rather than drift in October or you feel the crowd will start to drift and then the winter will be a stormy one.
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EASTBRISTOLBEE7
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Best squad maybe but not team , give me holdsworth , blissett , gayle , smillie , millen and evans any day over the players who didn,t turn up on monday.
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fantastico !....its nice to know that 20quid i put on is a guarenteed big return......will paddy power pay out by xmas though ????
SlumanBee
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I will always support the team, as we all do, but the manager is a different opinion for everyone.
With the level of investment Benham has put into the club, he must soon start to question Uwe.
NorthamptonBee
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The bigger picture is a huge budget and superb backing with infrastructure that most teams would die for, to produce that rubbish on the park says nothing about the bigger picture, in fact if there was no bigger picture going on, we'd have to accept the current rubbish that started at Gills and has gathered momentum since.
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BURFORD BEE
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You've fallen into the tanktrap again, ( ooops sorry cant say that, smacks hand). Any comment regarding Uwe's nationality is immediately considered Xenophobic. Strange though isn't it that we can refer to people from different regions of our own country in insulting ways without any such clamour from our ultra PC members. Scousers, Northerners, Jocks, Sheepshaggers all ok but German nein!
I loathe racism, homophobia and the like but its becoming bloody stupid not to mention hypocritical.
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You agree it is something Cbee couldn't do? Or agree with the point? lol
Les Beeavinu
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I wonder how you might describe someone that you haven't met as ultra pc. :shrug: Please therefore don't presume that you know what I find offensive and what I don't.
I think a comment about a foreign person's accent is belittling and a bit more "Mind Your Language" than"'Allo Allo". Whatever we might think of Rosler as a football manager, he seems to be a very decent person who works hard and tries to do the right thing and I'm of the persuasion that when an argument becomes personal, someone's position is weakened. The fact that his English is spoken with a German accent seems therefore to be fairly irrelevant.
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The thing is Uwe would prob have a laugh about it ... it's called having a sense of humour I think ... Something it seems alot of people have lost in this country.
Les Beeavinu
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Oh dear - no sense of humour? Don't make me laugh. :grey:
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Don't take the piss mate.
We all know the Germans don't have a sense of humour.
Rosler must have one, only explanation for some of the baffling tactics and substitutions !!!!!!
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I'd like to point out at this moment in time to stop the love in with Mick C - He's ours and exclusively writes for 'Thorne in the Side Fanzine' - keep your paws off him!
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I'm beginning to wonder if the current disappointing situation, evidenced by issues such as too many players in the squad, no settled first team, players asked to do jobs they are not happy doing to suit the formation, players brought in who are not up to it, erratic team selection, erratic substitutions, players left out in the cold, players not getting a fair opportunity etc etc
is due entirely to having a manager and a director of football. Is the squad being put together by one individual and football tactics and management being done by another who is not on the same wavelength. I've never been sure about this whole division of responsibility, as in my experience it leads to a whole load of important stuff ending up being no-one's responsibility.
is due entirely to having a manager and a director of football. Is the squad being put together by one individual and football tactics and management being done by another who is not on the same wavelength. I've never been sure about this whole division of responsibility, as in my experience it leads to a whole load of important stuff ending up being no-one's responsibility.
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It's a plausible argument unfortunately we just don't know what ges on behind closed doors, we can only look at the results and performances on the pitch and formulate a view accordingly. We can speculate though and maybe you are close to the mark.
beebopalula
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Uwe explained the rationale behind the subs on Beesplayer. It didn't work as the players went long ball as they panicked. Partly that was due to a lack of experience which wasn't helped by McCormack having to come off. No intention to go long ball-if there had been he would have put Farid on.
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It seems to be clear that Warburton sources the players and Uwe has a final say but not a leading role. In effect that means the staffing are essentially the Breadman's with Uwe having the tactical role. It's a common practice on the continent and probably a major factor in MB's decision on the type of manager required as he clearly wants that kind of setup. Not sure how many 'home grown' managers would like or be prepared to operate in that environment but it does make sense to me .
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What erratic team selection ?.....pretty much the same back 4, pretty much the same midfield and Clayton and Will up top, what's erratic about that ?
We had to change keeper and long term injuries to Jake and McEleny forced changes to the left side.
My only gripe was when he put O'Connor in at RB ahead of Javi Venta and King Kev got absolutely roasted by the left winger, apart from that Uwe's done nothing wrong.
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Sorry I really don't get this "Long ball equates to Farid" argument. So Farid is strong in the air but it d0esn't preclude us from playing the ball to his feet it just gives us another option. Farid has shown us that he is perfectly competent with the ball at his feet and anyway if the intention wasn't to go long why the hell stick Harlee Dean up top for the last ten minutes.........to make use of his touch and finesse and encourage ball to feet.
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Correct. I recall well worked goals against Orient and a great bit of footwork at Swindon to put himself one on one before McCormack came in with a last ditch tackle as prime examples to back up your point. The idea that he is only receptive to long balls is mythology.
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Sorry. He is Beesplayers #exclusive. We just loaned him out for one edition.The invoice was sent last week and hasn't been paid yet :mad1:
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Clearly the management has a view about where Farid's strengths lie which I assume is informed by daily performances in training. The intention was to play it to feet and hence the subs and both Tex and Trotta are better footballers in that sense. Unfortunately they were served with nothing. Dean went up front in the end as the team went gung ho long and had lost it tactically and why not in those circumstances?
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Dean up front was last chance saloon and forlorn hope as was the case at Wembley. He did create goals at Gillingham and last season home and away v Preston when in this role.
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Interesting to see how Rosler has evolved this season, his charming eloquent demeanour is proving difficult to maintain as the season has not even got into gear.
After being the most prepared Brentford side to start a season in recent history we peaked in mid to end of July, but since a ragging of ragged Sheffield United, we have failed to impress beyond 20 minute bursts.
Uwe has self inflicted this pressure this past month with the Derby PR backfiring, words like "unrepentant" and "development progress" were warm noise to a lot of the away following, regardless of what the club thought. 5 nil defeats are not progress for anybody, ask Bonham as he hides behind Royce for the next 9 months! Us away fans don't need to be preached to about the bigger picture, we've been living it for decades but Uwe's insistence he was right when his selected fell down made him look out of touch! A little humility and common sense would have seemed wiser but what do we know. :sad:
So the pressure carried over to Carlisle, the more important game, a club on its arse in confidence with his manager crossing the t's on his P45. A flat warm up, a flat game. No win and nobody understands. Followed by a return of Trotta to stir us all. This is so far from Plan A, start of season, it seemed a knee jerk not measured Rosler mapping. Up to Bradford and after Button disappears and some crazy selections of people out of position we hide for the first time and get a second hiding in 10 days this time with our first team, Rosler sits on the bench with Kernaghan for ages afterwards whilst the stadium empties. Hmm this isn't the important six game start Uwe focussed on.
A great win at Tranmere but we are letting in goals like a swinging creaky gate and Craig and Dean (Nick Logan is spot on in that respect) make errors whilst others get slaughtered. So to last night after we jostled and sparred with Orient but ultimately we leave with another flat feeling.
To this simple supporter, we look nervy and frantic, pass at pace and run like hell, control is in haste and only Forshaw is good enough to shine as we panic as the goals at home get scarcer, the rest try their best, but its becoming a muddle.
Too many players, too many options or so it seems, like a kid in a sweet shop with a fiver it seems we will have one of them and one of them, at the moment it seems spin the bottle and pick him cos he's not had a go recently. Rosler looks fed up, agitated, looking at the players the whole thing lacks a spark, there aren't many smiles and certainly not much enjoyment on show by Uwe or the players and more of a concern after going behind at Bradford and last night a going through the motions with not much passion.
Sometimes it seems football is a simple game, it don't feel like that at the moment, Rosler is getting in a tangle of his own making, he's had a bad month, he knows it, we know it. This is where good managers turn the tide, show their mettle. Uwe's is feeling the heat of pre season expectation, September was always a tough gig with 3 Aways but October is full of home games, time to ditch the meticulous analysis of opponents strengths and trust your judgement and trust your best team. The scales are interestingly balanced but our season needs to kickstart rather than drift in October or you feel the crowd will start to drift and then the winter will be a stormy one.
Can I be the first to not put my head up your bottom and say this is a work of art and you're genius. It's OK, a bit long and there's an error as an unwanted gap between the last two lines so I won't be liking it. Nail on head again mate. lol
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