Lionel Road public meeting. Organised by Zac Goldsmith MP. 30 September

Lionel Road public meeting. Organised by Zac Goldsmith MP. 30 September

I think you need to calm down.

We need to address the issues that are placed in front of us. We need to accept that there those that cannot accept our plans and we need to help convince them or debunk their arguments.

No need to get confrontational. We need to educate.

Exactly right. Although disappointing for us, there is nothing wrong with people objecting to the application and indeed it was to be expected. What is important is to understand their objections, consider their validity and to engage with people to see if some or all of their concerns can be addressed.
 

Lionel Road public meeting. Organised by Zac Goldsmith MP. 30 September

Brentford Community Council seem to be represented by Denis Browne who is mentioned here:

http://www.brentforddockresidents.co.uk/highstreet/brentfordtowndevelopmentindex.php

I'm not sure if he is a one man Community Council or it is a viable organisation with a lot of Members but he was also asking a lot of questions at this meeting:

http://www.brentfordcommunitystadium.com/?p=331

Here's more of his utterances:

http://www.brentfordtw8.com/default.asp?section=community&app=forum/ShowMessage.asp?ID=599476
 
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Lionel Road public meeting. Organised by Zac Goldsmith MP. 30 September

Being setup/funded by hounslow council is the only reason I can see why they call themselves that. Be interested to find out what they've actually done for Brentford and it's residents
"What have they done for Brentford?"

Decided to live somewhere else, which is a start....:sorted:
 

Lionel Road public meeting. Organised by Zac Goldsmith MP. 30 September

Hats off to the Brentford supporters who spoke last night. I cannot identify them by GPG user name but they all spoke very well. MOM award to the supporter who reminded those attending that a decade or so ago the Lionel Road site was earmarked as a Waste Recycling Centre and that if that had continued there wouldn't have been two hundred plus at the meeting but more like two thousand. Silence of around five seconds as that one was digested.

The 'anti's' were utterly disorganised and as usual at this sort of meeting everyone wanted to speak re their own pet beef. The Golden Rule is that you agree your key points and then let one good speaker forensically present them and handle the supplementaries when the first answer is given. So we went from faeces on stairs and living rooms in tower blocks to the fear of tranquillity being spoiled around Kew Gardens by the noise from the stadium when Brentford score........presumably the excitement from the stadium disturbing the peace and tranquillity would also drown out the noise from the incoming planes that arrive around one a minute. One 'anti' was concerned about 20k supporters who would all wish to go to the toilet at some time during a match and could the sewer system take it. Heart in mouth moment as the referee pointed to the spot, there was a stunned silence and we held our breath as BB stared at her in disbelief and then coolly slotted into the corner of the goal by saying that erm yes it had not been forgotten and that Thames Water had indeed been consulted and they were happy with it. Yes folks the standard of play by the 'anti's' was mostly at that level.

The 'anti's' had a dangerous and tricky right winger who was probing our defence and was actually right on the money re his objections but CG was moved over to man mark him and he quickly tired against our uncompromising defence and was substituted twenty minutes from the end.

Brian Burgess summed it up by saying that nothing new had been heard tonight and that everyone is entitled to their opinions and should present their case either for/against to LBH Planning Committee. Huge credit to Brian and Chris and we couldn't have a better duo working for us.

Match statistics :

Final score : Brentford 6 Anti's 1
Shots on target : Brentford 8 Anti's 7
Possession: Brentford 25% Anti's 75%
Referee : 5/10
Team Management : BB/CG 10/10 (got tactics spot one) Anti's 0/10 (no strategy and no management)
MOM : The supporter re Waste Recycling Facility reminder
 
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Lionel Road public meeting. Organised by Zac Goldsmith MP. 30 September

Hats off to the Brentford supporters who spoke last night. I cannot identify them by GPG user name but they all spoke very well. MOM award to the supporter who reminded those attending that a decade or so ago the Lionel Road site was earmarked as a Waste Recycling Centre and that if that had continued there wouldn't have been two hundred plus at the meeting but more like two thousand. Silence of around five seconds as that one was digested.

The 'anti's' were utterly disorganised and as usual at this sort of meeting everyone wanted to speak re their own pet beef. The Golden Rule is that you agree your key points and then let one good speaker forensically present them and handle the supplementaries when the first answer is given. So we went from faeces on stairs and living rooms in tower blocks to the fear of tranquillity being spoiled around Kew Gardens by the noise from the stadium when Brentford score........presumably the excitement from the stadium disturbing the peace and tranquillity would also drown out the noise from the incoming planes that arrive around one a minute. One 'anti' was concerned about 20k supporters who would all wish to go to the toilet at some time during a match and could the sewer system take it. Heart in mouth moment as the referee pointed to the spot, there was a stunned silence and we held our breath as BB stared at her in disbelief and then coolly slotted into the corner of the goal by saying that erm yes it had not been forgotten and that Thames Water had indeed been consulted and they were happy with it. Yes folks the standard of play by the 'anti's' was mostly at that level.

The 'anti's' had a dangerous and tricky right winger who was probing our defence and was actually right on the money re his objections but CG was moved over to man mark him and he quickly tired against our uncompromising defence and was substituted twenty minutes from the end.

Brian Burgess summed it up by saying that nothing new had been heard tonight and that everyone is entitled to their opinions and should present their case either for/against to LBH Planning Committee. Huge credit to Brian and Chris and we couldn't have a better duo working for us.

Match statistics :

Final score : Brentford 6 Anti's 1
Shots on target : Brentford 8 Anti's 7
Possession: Brentford 25% Anti's 75%
Referee : 5/10
Team Management : BB/CG 10/10 (got tactics spot one) Anti's 0/10 (no strategy and no management)
MOM : The supporter re Waste Recycling Facility reminder

Informative and amusing. Post of the year
 

Lionel Road public meeting. Organised by Zac Goldsmith MP. 30 September

My Rant
This Brentford Community Council is what exactly? What do they actually do to represent the community and are they the reason that we have so many run-down areas in Brentford?

The town of Brentford is a terrible-looking place, with eyesores everywhere. Yet the only constant in Brentford through the years has been the football club, and the local populace seem more than happy for that to go as well.
The powers that be seem quite happy that Brentford (town) has lost most of its history down the years and is run by people with no affection to the town itself. What is there in Brentford to 'attract' people to come along? A football club? A McDonald's drive-thru? A Morrison's? Not much to get excited about is it. Most of the local independent shops can't do that much trade either, especially on non-match days.

Brentford needs regenerating and not by building more and more flats (which the council loves). I see the police station is closed, no doubt this will be turned into more flats, but Brentford FC cannot do the same thing, to pay for a new community stadium?
Why isn't there a proper cinema in Brentford? Well known high street shops, like M&S, WH Smiths etc.; things that would generate commerce? Because of people like this Brentford Community Council and the Strand on the Green, who have narrow-minded opinions on things that they don't understand.

Regarding the traffic issue. Why not block off the road (junction with Kew Bridge) leading to Strand on the Green, as a lot of the congestion is caused by people going in & out of this road. Plus all of the congestion of people driving down Kew Road and to the A4/M4 isn't caused by Brentford FC. It's caused by commuters, people going to and from Strand on the Green, Chiswick, Kew Gardens, Richmond etc.
Why haven't the local groups moaned about this to their MPs and councillors, rather than using it as an excuse to oppose us "football hooligans"? At the end of the day that's why they don't want us at Lionel Road, because we're a football club and to them we're scum. FACT!

End of Rant

Does the fact that you might be able to see one of the proposed blocks of flats detract from Kew Gardens/Green? No. All it would be doing is blocking the storage warehouse and the Vantage Point office block; not exactly a loss of a view is it.

I was in the pub garden on Kew Green the other week. I couldn't hear a word of what the people around me were saying due the planes flying in to Heathrow. It did warm my heart though, that the people around the area think that Brentford would make more noise than that (and the M4 flyover).

If we don't get approval for this development; it will be a disgrace and of high hypocrisy from the people in authority considering what has gone before and what will follow.
 

Lionel Road public meeting. Organised by Zac Goldsmith MP. 30 September

My Rant
This Brentford Community Council is what exactly? What do they actually do to represent the community and are they the reason that we have so many run-down areas in Brentford?

The town of Brentford is a terrible-looking place, with eyesores everywhere. Yet the only constant in Brentford through the years has been the football club, and the local populace seem more than happy for that to go as well.
The powers that be seem quite happy that Brentford (town) has lost most of its history down the years and is run by people with no affection to the town itself. What is there in Brentford to 'attract' people to come along? A football club? A McDonald's drive-thru? A Morrison's? Not much to get excited about is it. Most of the local independent shops can't do that much trade either, especially on non-match days.

Brentford needs regenerating and not by building more and more flats (which the council loves). I see the police station is closed, no doubt this will be turned into more flats, but Brentford FC cannot do the same thing, to pay for a new community stadium?
Why isn't there a proper cinema in Brentford? Well known high street shops, like M&S, WH Smiths etc.; things that would generate commerce? Because of people like this Brentford Community Council and the Strand on the Green, who have narrow-minded opinions on things that they don't understand.

Regarding the traffic issue. Why not block off the road (junction with Kew Bridge) leading to Strand on the Green, as a lot of the congestion is caused by people going in & out of this road. Plus all of the congestion of people driving down Kew Road and to the A4/M4 isn't caused by Brentford FC. It's caused by commuters, people going to and from Strand on the Green, Chiswick, Kew Gardens, Richmond etc.
Why haven't the local groups moaned about this to their MPs and councillors, rather than using it as an excuse to oppose us "football hooligans"? At the end of the day that's why they don't want us at Lionel Road, because we're a football club and to them we're scum. FACT!

End of Rant

Does the fact that you might be able to see one of the proposed blocks of flats detract from Kew Gardens/Green? No. All it would be doing is blocking the storage warehouse and the Vantage Point office block; not exactly a loss of a view is it.

I was in the pub garden on Kew Green the other week. I couldn't hear a word of what the people around me were saying due the planes flying in to Heathrow. It did warm my heart though, that the people around the area think that Brentford would make more noise than that (and the M4 flyover).

If we don't get approval for this development; it will be a disgrace and of high hypocrisy from the people in authority considering what has gone before and what will follow.

I'm not sure you're correct in your assertion that the community doesn't want the club at LR. From what I've seen, the majority of locals and the groups which represent them have been broadly supportive of a new stadium at LR, and the council more so. It's the scale of the enabling development which has raised most concern,along with traffic generation and the ability of existing infrastructure to cope. These are the areas IMO which the LR Team has needed to spend most time on trying to allay various concerns, rather than the stadium itself.
 

Lionel Road public meeting. Organised by Zac Goldsmith MP. 30 September

Here you are


Michael Glazebrook (Chair): Lived in Kew over 20 years. Retired Chartered Accountant and Investment Banker. Chairman of the Kew Society from 2006 to 2012. Committee member of the Richmond Heathrow Campaign, Co-Chair of Greener upon Thames, a campaign against plastic bags, Chairman of Kew Midsummer Fete.

Peter Makower (WLRG observer on the Thames Strategy, Kew to Chelsea Steering Committee, pro tem Honorary planning advisor): Member of WLRG since 1996. Member of the Grove Park Group, member of the Strand on the Green Association, and the River Thames Society, member of the RNLI Chiswick Group. Fellow of the Royal Institute of British Architects, and a Member of the Royal Town Planning Institute, on the ‘Retired List’. Lived in Chiswick since 1999.

John Ormsby (Membership co-ordinator): Lived in Chiswick since 1967 and at Strand on the Green since 1993. Retired Chartered Engineer and Company Director. Justice of the Peace since 2001. Volunteer crew-member and Trustee of River Thames Boat Project from 1998 to 2008. Member of Strand on the Green Association since 1994, and Hon. Sec./Chairman until 2006.

Nick Hanbury-Williams (Treasurer): Nick has lived with his wife and family in the Grove Park area of Chiswick since 1990. Since then we/they have thoroughly enjoyed the river and its riparian amenities. Now retired from the city, he is keen to put something back into the local community by seeking to preserve the particular pleasures of riverside dwelling.

Karen Liebreich (Web editor): Author. Founder and vice-chair of the Chiswick House Kitchen Garden project which successfully campaigned to retain the walled gardens as an educational, horticultural project. Co-founder of Abundance London, harvesting surplus fruit with local schools. Trustee of Hammersmith Community Gardens Association. Trustee of Dukes Meadows, 2006-9.

Angela Dixon (Vice-chair, WLRG Rep on Thames Strategy, Kew to Chelsea Steering Committee): Lived in Hammersmith since 1967. Former Chairman of the Hammersmith & Fulham Historic Buildings Group from its inception in 1987 to October 2011. In 1996, together with the Hammersmith Society, helped to initiate the West London River Group, and raise the money for the Thames Strategy-Kew to Chelsea. Particular interests are historic buildings and their settings, landscape and views – rural and urban. Honorary member of the Royal Town Planning Institute since 2002.

Shirley Passmore (Vice chair): Honours degree in Social Biology & Education. Careers in photography and as a history teacher. Life-long Wandsworth resident. Founder member and past chair of Wandsworth Society (now on the planning committee). Member of WLRG from its formation. Member of Wandsworth History Society & Wandsworth Common Management Advisory Committee (past Chair). Wandsworth Civic Award (1998).

Diana Roth (committee member): Designer with architectural background. Ten years dealing with planning for Mortlake with East Sheen Society, also for Mortlake Community Association. Represented MwES on Richmond Conservation Area’s Advisory committee. Founder member, ex-vice chair of WLRG.

Secretary: Amanda Royce

Roger Weston (WLRG Rep on London Waterways Commission): Fulham resident since 1975. Particular interest in the River Thames, its history and its future. Vice-chairman of the Friends of Bishops Park. Formerly chairman of WLRG and the Thames Strategy – Kew to Chelsea Steering Committee.

Most not even born in the area unlike myself.

These people have nothing to do with Brentford or its community.
A total fraud !!
They should be stopped from using this name as they have nothing to do with
Brentford or the people of Brentford !
 

Lionel Road public meeting. Organised by Zac Goldsmith MP. 30 September

I'm not sure you're correct in your assertion that the community doesn't want the club at LR. From what I've seen, the majority of locals and the groups which represent them have been broadly supportive of a new stadium at LR, and the council more so. It's the scale of the enabling development which has raised most concern,along with traffic generation and the ability of existing infrastructure to cope. These are the areas IMO which the LR Team has needed to spend most time on trying to allay various concerns, rather than the stadium itself.

I take your point. I should have worded it along the lines that the locals are against Brentford FC et all are more vocal, as most residents who either don't mind or aren't bothered by BFC don't talk about it, as it's just par of the course.

A lot of the criticisms (ie traffic) have been addressed, but we will never be able to eradicate the problem as there is and always will be congestion around that area. It just seems to be one of many excuses for the development not to go ahead. From what I've read, most of the complaints are unreasonable demands that cannot be addressed. Those complaints that we can have an affect on, have been addressed.
When all is said and done, these are public roads/streets etc. and no one can be stopped going along them if they're legally allowed to, whether they're going to BFC or not.
 

Lionel Road public meeting. Organised by Zac Goldsmith MP. 30 September

I take your point. I should have worded it along the lines that the locals are against Brentford FC et all are more vocal, as most residents who either don't mind or aren't bothered by BFC don't talk about it, as it's just par of the course.

A lot of the criticisms (ie traffic) have been addressed, but we will never be able to eradicate the problem as there is and always will be congestion around that area. It just seems to be one of many excuses for the development not to go ahead. From what I've read, most of the complaints are unreasonable demands that cannot be addressed. Those complaints that we can have an affect on, have been addressed.


When all is said and done, these are public roads/streets etc. and no one can be stopped going along them if they're legally allowed to, whether they're going to BFC or not.

IMO the traffic thing isn't necessarily a strong argument. If taken seriously and assuming it relates mainly to the associated development , it would prevent any further significant redevelopment in Brentford. The football ground is unlikely to create any more traffic than at present at home games. I'm sure the majority of Brentford fans will probably park in their usual spot and leg the rest. We are massively short of housing in London and the development is much needed.
 

Lionel Road public meeting. Organised by Zac Goldsmith MP. 30 September

IMO the traffic thing isn't necessarily a strong argument. If taken seriously and assuming it relates mainly to the associated development , it would prevent any further significant redevelopment in Brentford. The football ground is unlikely to create any more traffic than at present at home games. I'm sure the majority of Brentford fans will probably park in their usual spot and leg the rest. We are massively short of housing in London and the development is much needed.

Other than the hope we will attract more fans, I would go as far as far as thinking that they'd be less traffic.
 

Lionel Road public meeting. Organised by Zac Goldsmith MP. 30 September

Meant to add that Donald Kerr (Vice Chairman) was there and also Mark Chapman. Was surprised and pleased to also run into Peter Farrell (First Team Coach) who came along to see how it went. Peter's home and family are 'oop north' and that he spent an evening checking out the meeting was great and showed how involved the Team Management are in all aspects of the Club.

He then spoilt the mood by saying he was there to report back to Uwe on the body fat levels of directors but clearly he didn't mean me. :D
 

Lionel Road public meeting. Organised by Zac Goldsmith MP. 30 September

He then spoilt the mood by saying he was there to report back to Uwe on the body fat levels of directors but clearly he didn't mean me. :D

lol
 

Lionel Road public meeting. Organised by Zac Goldsmith MP. 30 September

IMO the traffic thing isn't necessarily a strong argument. If taken seriously and assuming it relates mainly to the associated development , it would prevent any further significant redevelopment in Brentford. The football ground is unlikely to create any more traffic than at present at home games. I'm sure the majority of Brentford fans will probably park in their usual spot and leg the rest. We are massively short of housing in London and the development is much needed.

The Traffic should not be an argument at all. Kew has traffic all the time, and it is really bad. It has been congested for many many years, so most Brentford fans who incidentely are quite well educated, will park were we park now and walk to Lionel rd. easy when you know how. Having a football ground at Lionel rd is a pussy cat compared with aircraft noise and pollution 24/7.
 

Lionel Road public meeting. Organised by Zac Goldsmith MP. 30 September

If the meeting has served to give Zac Goldsmith, MP, confidence that there is broad support amongst his constituents, with some objections over the enabling development skyline (and the percentage of dog owners that will live there), then I think it has been positive. It has flushed out the habitual complainers and the paucity of their argument.
 

Lionel Road public meeting. Organised by Zac Goldsmith MP. 30 September

Ironic regarding the objections to the buildings that after years of :

'You don't wanna go up Brentford'

it's now changed to

'We don't wanna let you put them up Brentford'
 

Lionel Road public meeting. Organised by Zac Goldsmith MP. 30 September

Hearing that there were objections from the Kew Society about spoiling the tranquility of the Royal Botanical Gardens sickens me. :mad:

For starters Kew Gardens is over the Bridge in a completely different County & London borough.

As I has mentioned previously...I grew up and was a resident of in Lionel Road North from 1975 until 2003. I was a regular visitor to Kew Gardens, I love plants and gardening...I was even a member of Kew when I lived in Strand On The Green. If you think about the size of the Gardens, it stretches right back along the Thames and is therefore just about as close to Griffin Park as the site would be to a stadium at Lionel Road South.

As for spoiling the view from the Palm House...that's laughable given all the other boring office blocks along the M4/A4 corridor. PATHETIC and PETTY.

I'm thinking of writing a letter to the Council and sending copies to the local papers...I did something similar years ago, with great feedback although I obviously did live in West London at the time.
 

Lionel Road public meeting. Organised by Zac Goldsmith MP. 30 September

Quality post from abee. They sound like proper ponies :cigarsout:
 

Lionel Road public meeting. Organised by Zac Goldsmith MP. 30 September

I'd guess that Goldsmith is being lobbied by some of his Kew based constituents whereas Seema Malhotra's constituents in Feltham and Heston are barely impacted by a stadium move a mile further east, so is not interested.

Well she does live in Chelsea, so she's not worried
 

Lionel Road public meeting. Organised by Zac Goldsmith MP. 30 September

Can I ask what might seem a stupid question - is it possible to split this scheme by opting for a smaller development at Lionel Road supplemented by another entirely separate development elsewhere. Apart from the additional cost for land, would this be easier to get approval?
 

Lionel Road public meeting. Organised by Zac Goldsmith MP. 30 September

Can I ask what might seem a stupid question - is it possible to split this scheme by opting for a smaller development at Lionel Road supplemented by another entirely separate development elsewhere. Apart from the additional cost for land, would this be easier to get approval?

Even if we were to find another site, and it's a big if, even a smaller development elsewhere would possibly comprise circa 400 units. The timescales for sourcing a site and developing the scheme could be circa 24-36 months. A scheme of that size would still represent a major application with the planning process potentially quite lengthy. Of course, the other factor you need to consider is that submitting two smaller but still major applications rather than a single larger scheme will effectively double your planning costs and more importantly your risk with the new stadium scheme reliant not only on gaining planning permission itself but also on the separate application being passed, something which would be by no means guaranteed with a scheme of that size.
 

Lionel Road public meeting. Organised by Zac Goldsmith MP. 30 September

Thanks Owlsmoor. I guess I'm intrigued as to what a plan B might be, hence the question.
 

Lionel Road public meeting. Organised by Zac Goldsmith MP. 30 September

The Traffic should not be an argument at all. Kew has traffic all the time, and it is really bad. It has been congested for many many years, so most Brentford fans who incidentely are quite well educated, will park were we park now and walk to Lionel rd. easy when you know how. Having a football ground at Lionel rd is a pussy cat compared with aircraft noise and pollution 24/7.

So what about the huge number of older supporters we have who cannot walk far who have no alternative but to drive round and round the local area to try and find a closer parking space or those that are disabled? The facilities for parking are non existant not just for matchdays ( football and rugby ) but also if you want to visit the superstore or ticket office or any of the BFC offices! I spoke to the people on the BIAS stand at the fair recently and the complete lack of parking is just a joke. Some people cannot use public transport or do not live in a commutable distance and are car reliant. Either way, you want to come to The new GP - then there will be traffic congestion with people trying to find somewhere to park close by, like we all do for away games.
 

Lionel Road public meeting. Organised by Zac Goldsmith MP. 30 September

So what about the huge number of older supporters we have who cannot walk far who have no alternative but to drive round and round the local area to try and find a closer parking space or those that are disabled? The facilities for parking are non existant not just for matchdays ( football and rugby ) but also if you want to visit the superstore or ticket office or any of the BFC offices! I spoke to the people on the BIAS stand at the fair recently and the complete lack of parking is just a joke. Some people cannot use public transport or do not live in a commutable distance and are car reliant. Either way, you want to come to The new GP - then there will be traffic congestion with people trying to find somewhere to park close by, like we all do for away games.

If you want to develop in London then you have to submit a transport strategy with any application which accords with the Local Authority's transport policy and that of wider national policies.. Unfortunately, that almost always means demonstrating a genuine commitment to reduce car travel and to place an emphasis on the other perceived greener forms of transport. It isn't unusual in some boroughs to see completely car free schemes. We may not like it, but if we want a new stadium at LR, or anywhere else in the borough, we're going to have to do it without the generous parking provisions enjoyed at other stadiums outside of London.
 

Lionel Road public meeting. Organised by Zac Goldsmith MP. 30 September

If you want to develop in London then you have to submit a transport strategy with any application which accords with the Local Authority's transport policy and that of wider national policies.. Unfortunately, that almost always means demonstrating a genuine commitment to reduce car travel and to place an emphasis on the other perceived greener forms of transport. It isn't unusual in some boroughs to see completely car free schemes. We may not like it, but if we want a new stadium at LR, or anywhere else in the borough, we're going to have to do it without the generous parking provisions enjoyed at other stadiums outside of London.

I don't think however you can honestly tell me you know of any stadium that has no parking at all for any visitors to the shop/offices and no provision even locally for parking. There are no associated roads by the potential new stadium only commercial buildings - therefore anyone who has any sort of business with the club - will have no provision at all for parking. I used to live in Braemar Road and the club had constant car driver visitors all day. Everyone will be inconvenienced and any visitors will be driving around the local already heavily congested area just to pay a visit to the club, thats without the potential flats being built with less than one space per flat.
 

Lionel Road public meeting. Organised by Zac Goldsmith MP. 30 September

I don't think however you can honestly tell me you know of any stadium that has no parking at all for any visitors to the shop/offices and no provision even locally for parking. There are no associated roads by the potential new stadium only commercial buildings - therefore anyone who has any sort of business with the club - will have no provision at all for parking. I used to live in Braemar Road and the club had constant car driver visitors all day. Everyone will be inconvenienced and any visitors will be driving around the local already heavily congested area just to pay a visit to the club, thats without the potential flats being built with less than one space per flat.

But that isn't a flaw of the design, it's a constraint of the local planning policies. There is some parking provision included for the stadium I believe but I'd need to check to confirm. I don't imagine the likes of the Emirates or Stamford Bridge have much in the way of parking either. As I said, it's by no means ideal, but it is inevitable I'm afraid.
 

Lionel Road public meeting. Organised by Zac Goldsmith MP. 30 September

But that isn't a flaw of the design, it's a constraint of the local planning policies. There is some parking provision included for the stadium I believe but I'd need to check to confirm. I don't imagine the likes of the Emirates or Stamford Bridge have much in the way of parking either. As I said, it's by no means ideal, but it is inevitable I'm afraid.
There is no parking at emirates except for a staff/vip car park which is underneath the staduim which requires a high level of security. Nearly all fans arrive on the piccadilly line to holloway rd/Arsenal or victoria line at either finsbury park or highbury & islington. There are several road closures in the local area upto 90 mins before and after the game to allow 60,000 crowd to safely disperse. You really would be mad to drive to emirates on a matchday as you would almost certainly not have parking. Its for local residents with a permit only.
 
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Lionel Road public meeting. Organised by Zac Goldsmith MP. 30 September

But that isn't a flaw of the design, it's a constraint of the local planning policies. There is some parking provision included for the stadium I believe but I'd need to check to confirm. I don't imagine the likes of the Emirates or Stamford Bridge have much in the way of parking either. As I said, it's by no means ideal, but it is inevitable I'm afraid.

There are about 50 spaces planned for the football clubs use iirc in the north east corner. These could be used by the public, I'm guessing, for non matchday parking if visiting the shop or ground. There are also parking spaces in the area where the hotel is planned to be built on the western side of the ground.
 

Lionel Road public meeting. Organised by Zac Goldsmith MP. 30 September

So what about the huge number of older supporters we have who cannot walk far who have no alternative but to drive round and round the local area to try and find a closer parking space or those that are disabled? The facilities for parking are non existant not just for matchdays ( football and rugby ) but also if you want to visit the superstore or ticket office or any of the BFC offices! I spoke to the people on the BIAS stand at the fair recently and the complete lack of parking is just a joke. Some people cannot use public transport or do not live in a commutable distance and are car reliant. Either way, you want to come to The new GP - then there will be traffic congestion with people trying to find somewhere to park close by, like we all do for away games.

The Club could initiate some match day shuttle bus schedules, at set times & pick up points. E.g. across the Piccadilly stations>> down past Brentford BR>> High Road>> Lionel Road.
 

Lionel Road public meeting. Organised by Zac Goldsmith MP. 30 September

If you want to develop in London then you have to submit a transport strategy with any application which accords with the Local Authority's transport policy and that of wider national policies.. Unfortunately, that almost always means demonstrating a genuine commitment to reduce car travel and to place an emphasis on the other perceived greener forms of transport. It isn't unusual in some boroughs to see completely car free schemes. We may not like it, but if we want a new stadium at LR, or anywhere else in the borough, we're going to have to do it without the generous parking provisions enjoyed at other stadiums outside of London.
Park and ride could work ? Where from I don't know but there must be some where
 

Lionel Road public meeting. Organised by Zac Goldsmith MP. 30 September

So what about the huge number of older supporters we have who cannot walk far who have no alternative but to drive round and round the local area to try and find a closer parking space or those that are disabled? The facilities for parking are non existant not just for matchdays ( football and rugby ) but also if you want to visit the superstore or ticket office or any of the BFC offices! I spoke to the people on the BIAS stand at the fair recently and the complete lack of parking is just a joke. Some people cannot use public transport or do not live in a commutable distance and are car reliant. Either way, you want to come to The new GP - then there will be traffic congestion with people trying to find somewhere to park close by, like we all do for away games.

There is and always has been a Football Club car par park within the scheme and presumably this can be used on non-match day for people who want to visit the superstore or ticket office or any of the BFC offices (there is a BIAS StAG meeting tonight and we will seek confirmation).

There is also what looks like a layby in the plans right outside the Superstore entrance which can presumably be used for people who want to pop into the shop.

The Football Club are seriously looking into BIAS suggestion of utilising the car parking along the Great West Road and after having productive discussions with the firms they have already identified a large number of spaces that could be used.

BIAS has suggested that the club could operate Park and Ride schemes and these should be feasible.

BIAS have recently appointed a Disabilities officer and will shortly be setting up a liaison group so that we and the football club can better understand the needs of supporters with disabilities.
 

Lionel Road public meeting. Organised by Zac Goldsmith MP. 30 September

I suggested way back that the club could discuss with Network Rail and South West Trains about a P+R by train. For example, Feltham station has a decent-sized car park that I'd guess is not fully occupied on Saturday afternoons and Tuesday evenings. BFC could sell P+R tickets (even discounted) to cover parking and return journey to Kew Bridge. That, coupled with formal arrangements with a few local offices, in a similar way to Brentford Girls' School and Leyton Road is operated, should suffice, particularly if one is designated for away supporters.
 

Lionel Road public meeting. Organised by Zac Goldsmith MP. 30 September

Won't most people just park where they do now or thereabouts and just walk that bit further? Can't really see the issue. Lionel rd is very well served by pulic transport and is surely ideal for a stadium from a transport perspective.
 

Lionel Road public meeting. Organised by Zac Goldsmith MP. 30 September

Won't most people just park where they do now or thereabouts and just walk that bit further? Can't really see the issue. Lionel rd is very well served by pulic transport and is surely ideal for a stadium from a transport perspective.

The point about parking raised by Womble was to do with the public/supporters turning up on non matchdays if they wished to visit the club shop or ticket office etc.

There is a planned club car park, as I said above, and also parking where the hotel is planned to be, if that gets built....
 

Lionel Road public meeting. Organised by Zac Goldsmith MP. 30 September

Can I ask what might seem a stupid question - is it possible to split this scheme by opting for a smaller development at Lionel Road supplemented by another entirely separate development elsewhere. Apart from the additional cost for land, would this be easier to get approval?

I reckon the flats at LR will be reduced again, your other development will be Griffin Park.
 

Lionel Road public meeting. Organised by Zac Goldsmith MP. 30 September

I don't think however you can honestly tell me you know of any stadium that has no parking at all for any visitors to the shop/offices and no provision even locally for parking. There are no associated roads by the potential new stadium only commercial buildings - therefore anyone who has any sort of business with the club - will have no provision at all for parking. I used to live in Braemar Road and the club had constant car driver visitors all day. Everyone will be inconvenienced and any visitors will be driving around the local already heavily congested area just to pay a visit to the club, thats without the potential flats being built with less than one space per flat.

There will be parking for visitors and staff at LR, sure I saw it on the plans.
Also, disabled drivers can park almost anywhere as long as they show a valid badge.
 

Lionel Road public meeting. Organised by Zac Goldsmith MP. 30 September

So what about the huge number of older supporters we have who cannot walk far who have no alternative but to drive round and round the local area to try and find a closer parking space or those that are disabled? The facilities for parking are non existant not just for matchdays ( football and rugby ) but also if you want to visit the superstore or ticket office or any of the BFC offices! I spoke to the people on the BIAS stand at the fair recently and the complete lack of parking is just a joke. Some people cannot use public transport or do not live in a commutable distance and are car reliant. Either way, you want to come to The new GP - then there will be traffic congestion with people trying to find somewhere to park close by, like we all do for away games.

Would it be possible for older supporters to park near Brentford Rail Station (or another station on that line) and use your Freedom Pass to travel to Kew Bridge?
 

Lionel Road public meeting. Organised by Zac Goldsmith MP. 30 September

Would it be possible for older supporters to park near Brentford Rail Station (or another station on that line) and use your Freedom Pass to travel to Kew Bridge?

Don't you have to be a London resident for one of these. A very high proportion of supporters in this group live outside London.
 

Lionel Road public meeting. Organised by Zac Goldsmith MP. 30 September

Don't you have to be a London resident for one of these. A very high proportion of supporters in this group live outside London.
Yes, I guess in which case it would cost a fiver return on the train.
 

Lionel Road public meeting. Organised by Zac Goldsmith MP. 30 September

Won't most people just park where they do now or thereabouts and just walk that bit further? Can't really see the issue. Lionel rd is very well served by pulic transport and is surely ideal for a stadium from a transport perspective.
Tbf, if the club is looking to build a 20k stadium, it must be on the basis that they will some day be getting (up to) 20k crowds.
Whilst GP's environs can currently handle 12k, we don't know whether it could comfortably handle another 8k on top of that.

Which is where public ctransport comes in. One of the things which is most agitating the Anti's is that local Public Transport won't be able to handle large crowds at LR. What they fail to appreciate is that if Kew Bridge and Gunnersbury etc are seeing increased demand as a result of the Stadium, then that is an incentive for TfL to expand and develop them to cope, which means that all the local residents (i.e. not just football fans) will benefit, and on every day of the week, not just matchdays.
 

Lionel Road public meeting. Organised by Zac Goldsmith MP. 30 September

Take it up with the Kew gesidents mate, they are the ones that don't want our traffic. I am an Older supporter, and am lucky that I am still fit enough to walk to Lionel rd from GP. I still have to travel in from Wiltshire though, and will probably get back at 8-30. One day soon I will not be able to do it. Then I will have to support the bees from my armchair. You will do well to take it up with the club. Like you no one is going to give a stuff about me .
 

Lionel Road public meeting. Organised by Zac Goldsmith MP. 30 September

It's a pity time and money is being wasted because a few NIMBY's don't want what they perceive as the great unwashed on their doorstep. You know if it was a 50,000 seater Super Dome for the London Tarquins Rugy Union and Elephant Polo club those locals wouldn't give a monkeys.
 

Lionel Road public meeting. Organised by Zac Goldsmith MP. 30 September

So what about the huge number of older supporters we have who cannot walk far who have no alternative but to drive round and round the local area to try and find a closer parking space or those that are disabled? The facilities for parking are non existant not just for matchdays ( football and rugby ) but also if you want to visit the superstore or ticket office or any of the BFC offices! I spoke to the people on the BIAS stand at the fair recently and the complete lack of parking is just a joke. Some people cannot use public transport or do not live in a commutable distance and are car reliant. Either way, you want to come to The new GP - then there will be traffic congestion with people trying to find somewhere to park close by, like we all do for away games.

I am fully expecting to drive part of the way from Camberley, park, then catch either a bus to the new stadium.

Makes sense to me.
 

Lionel Road public meeting. Organised by Zac Goldsmith MP. 30 September

One of the things which is most agitating the Anti's is that local Public Transport won't be able to handle large crowds at LR. What they fail to appreciate is that if Kew Bridge and Gunnersbury etc are seeing increased demand as a result of the Stadium, then that is an incentive for TfL to expand and develop them to cope, which means that all the local residents (i.e. not just football fans) will benefit, and on every day of the week, not just matchdays.

I cannot see that Kew Bridge will have any trouble handling any increase in numbers of passengers likley to result from the new stadium.

Brentford Rail station handles 40% more passenger entries and exits than Kew Bridge (2011-12 figures from Office of Rail Regulation) with no trouble. Kew has similar platform space and will have comparable entry/ exit facilities once the improvements are done. Train frequency is exactly the same for both stations.

Kew Bridge station has 986,352 entries and exits (the majority being Season Ticket holders on weekdays) so any additional usage by fans (mainly at weekends) is unlikely to cause a problem.

Brentford station already handles 1,386,210 p.a. with no bother.
 

Lionel Road public meeting. Organised by Zac Goldsmith MP. 30 September

I love statistics. :love2:
 

Lionel Road public meeting. Organised by Zac Goldsmith MP. 30 September

ade211 wd love that post
 

Lionel Road public meeting. Organised by Zac Goldsmith MP. 30 September

Lionel Road public meeting. Organised by Zac Goldsmith MP. 30 September

I am fully expecting to drive part of the way from Camberley, park, then catch either a bus to the new stadium.

Makes sense to me.

Park at Virginia Water and train the rest I reckon
 
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