Brentford v Nottm Forest Reports and Reaction
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Thought the atmosphere was good today.
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sh*t defending but played quite well further forward imho.
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and some of the forward play and passing was sublime
but for whatever reason our central defensive pairing and balance in midfield was wrong
poor selection and bad luck did for us
Brentford v Nottm Forest Reports and Reaction
My observations:
- Watkins has to start Tues - he will terrorise teams this season.
- Kamo had a good game in the middle
- Vibe had a shocker
- Dalsgaard looks great marauding forward and gives Bentley a target, but his defensive positioning was questionable at times.
- Not convinced the back two cb pairing today is our best - expect Smith to change this on Tues.
- Watkins has to start Tues - he will terrorise teams this season.
- Kamo had a good game in the middle
- Vibe had a shocker
- Dalsgaard looks great marauding forward and gives Bentley a target, but his defensive positioning was questionable at times.
- Not convinced the back two cb pairing today is our best - expect Smith to change this on Tues.
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I can't believe we lost that. First 40 minutes we battered them and deserved the lead. A great volley and a fortunate rebound off the post and suddenly we were 2-1 down.
Slow start to second half saw them hit another blinder and we were always chasing after that. We didn't get any luck with deflections and rebounds and the end to end stuff
could have easily finished 5-5. A few half decent chances that went begging and we created a lot mainly down the right through Dalsgaard. We will play worse and win. Defence
was poor today. Bjelland gets turned too easy and Henry had his worst game for us. Jota non-effective as was Vibe. Subs made an impact but too little too late.
Slow start to second half saw them hit another blinder and we were always chasing after that. We didn't get any luck with deflections and rebounds and the end to end stuff
could have easily finished 5-5. A few half decent chances that went begging and we created a lot mainly down the right through Dalsgaard. We will play worse and win. Defence
was poor today. Bjelland gets turned too easy and Henry had his worst game for us. Jota non-effective as was Vibe. Subs made an impact but too little too late.
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Something didn't seem right at times today.
First half we dominated, when we took the lead I thought we'd press on.
Their 3rd came so quick in the second half I walked in and didn't know it was 3-1.
Watkins and Maupay, and Sawyers were positive impacts when they came on.
We created good chances, in amongst at times poor passing, control, finishing, which was throughout really.
Vibe was poor. Jota didn't look interested but decided to do something in injury time.
Despite being far from what we believe we are capable of, we still shoulda woulda coulda easily have got something out of that. Our defensive play was worrying to watch.
Forest were awful and on that showing will struggle again. That is probably the worst I've seen them since we come up, and nothing like the Warburton attacking play we expect from his teams
First half we dominated, when we took the lead I thought we'd press on.
Their 3rd came so quick in the second half I walked in and didn't know it was 3-1.
Watkins and Maupay, and Sawyers were positive impacts when they came on.
We created good chances, in amongst at times poor passing, control, finishing, which was throughout really.
Vibe was poor. Jota didn't look interested but decided to do something in injury time.
Despite being far from what we believe we are capable of, we still shoulda woulda coulda easily have got something out of that. Our defensive play was worrying to watch.
Forest were awful and on that showing will struggle again. That is probably the worst I've seen them since we come up, and nothing like the Warburton attacking play we expect from his teams
Brentford v Nottm Forest Reports and Reaction
Seemed disorganised generally. First half OK but again failed to take our chances. Jota and Vibe shocking. Defensively we just let them maul us and we didn't have an answer. Things changes when the subs were brought on but to late. I hope we make the required changes for Tuesday and we must get the points or we will be struggling. How a couple of weeks can change things from the best team ever to not so good. Hopefully a couple more weeks will reverse things...
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The loss of Woods, Canos and the non selection of Harlee took it's toll on the result for this game.
The centre half pairing didn't work for me and the absence of Woods as a dynamo in midfield showed where we lacked in midfield to close Notts Forest down.
I believe Notts are an average team but took their chances with our mistakes and luck didn't appear on our side today. It's early days but for me Harlee has to play until he gets transferred or stays till the end of the season
The centre half pairing didn't work for me and the absence of Woods as a dynamo in midfield showed where we lacked in midfield to close Notts Forest down.
I believe Notts are an average team but took their chances with our mistakes and luck didn't appear on our side today. It's early days but for me Harlee has to play until he gets transferred or stays till the end of the season
Brentford v Nottm Forest Reports and Reaction
It was a strange game because for forty minutes it was very calm and we were slowly breaking them down and finally scored. Then it went batshit crazy and I was struggling to work out the rhyme or reason to it.
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Finished last season strongly with Dean and Barbet. Neither playing. Colin has been solid at RB but not playing. Canos and Woods are shoe in starters and missed. We managed fine without Josh at the end of last season, yet somehow hes forced his way back in.
Current problems are of our own making.
Current problems are of our own making.
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I would like to see two full-backs who just defend. They do their job and the wingers do theirs. Why should they be expected to do two jobs.
Agree that Vibe and Jota were poor. Jota looked like he was thinking of pastures new.
Harlee must come back Tuesday and Watkins must start. He looks a star in the making. No good bringing on a player of his class when it's too late like today.
Agree that Vibe and Jota were poor. Jota looked like he was thinking of pastures new.
Harlee must come back Tuesday and Watkins must start. He looks a star in the making. No good bringing on a player of his class when it's too late like today.
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Thought we were on top until we actually took the lead. Their keeper seemed to throw our first two in. A bit worrying to lose to a side who we should have buried but such is life. Dalsgaard put in a good shift and second half substitutions improved us but lost to an average side today. .
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Canos and Woods are unavailable through injury and child birth. As good as Colin has been, he's incosistant, injury prone and contract/transfer interference. Dean has made himself unavailable. That leaves a pairing from Bjellend, Egan and Barbet.
Brentford v Nottm Forest Reports and Reaction
We had 57% possession at home and conceded 4. That shouldn't happen. We took the lead on 38 minutes and were 3-1 down after 47. That shouldnt happen. Hopefully we can dust ourselves down and move on but that was a masterclass in how not to manage a game.
When you have Mokotkjo, Woods, McEachran and Yennaris to pick from that's good strength in depth and I get the temptation to play 3 of them but for me it leaves the forwards cut off from midfield. Pick 2 and play Sawyers or Watkins behind the striker.
Dean and Barbet are our best CBs on form, I appreciate there may be reasons why Harlee isn't playing but right now it's costing us points.
When you have Mokotkjo, Woods, McEachran and Yennaris to pick from that's good strength in depth and I get the temptation to play 3 of them but for me it leaves the forwards cut off from midfield. Pick 2 and play Sawyers or Watkins behind the striker.
Dean and Barbet are our best CBs on form, I appreciate there may be reasons why Harlee isn't playing but right now it's costing us points.
Brentford v Nottm Forest Reports and Reaction
Sky Sports highlights:
http://www.skysports.com/football/brentford-vs-n-forest/374633
Clearly shows who was at fault for the second goal, Murphy tap-in, Dalsgaard was standing there ball watching instead of marking Murphy
http://www.skysports.com/football/brentford-vs-n-forest/374633
Clearly shows who was at fault for the second goal, Murphy tap-in, Dalsgaard was standing there ball watching instead of marking Murphy
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You shouldn't concede four goals at home. End of. It doesn't matter how many you score at the other end, you shouldn't be conceding four at home. If we're not solid at the back, we'll be sunk.
Brentford v Nottm Forest Reports and Reaction
No it shouldn't happen. But that's not accounting for Lady Fortuna's smile, which was very much on Forest today sadly.
Two long-range outside the box punts that on another day would fly over the bar, a lot of good fortune for a ball to come off the post right into the path of their No. 9, who couldn't miss and another long range punt that took a wicked deflection and wrong footed Bentley. Not a lot Bentley could have done about any of them. Our own efforts on the other hand were consistently blocked, stopped and clawed out of the goal by their keeper and two or three shots/free kicks came off the post or were just turned over, a matter of inches.
On another day we'll play a lot worse than that and win comfortably. Today was not our day and we certainly didn't get out of it what our effort deserved. Forest should consider themselves very fortunate indeed to go away with 3 points.
Brentford v Nottm Forest Reports and Reaction
You can't keep saying the two worldies were lucky. It's like discounting every good goal as lucky just because on another day it could have hit the corner flag or flown out of the stadium. The lucky goals were the ones that bounced off the post directly to their player and the one where it ricocheted to them about 459 times in a row. There was nothing lucky about the two worldies, just two goals where he got his technique spot on , the first one I think Bentley probably could have done better with although there was alot of bodies infront of him. The second one you could have had Daniels and Bentley in there and they still wouldn't of saved it. I have no doubt we will score some screamers this season and I'm sure you won't be dismissing them as lucky then
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He was the assist for both second half goals and was in the game a lot second half.
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Really!? I think we have been spoilt!
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Not for me. He looked like dis-interested for most of the game
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How is Dean unavailable, he's on the bench? Are you saying that if he started, he wouldn't play? Colin has been very good but I can see the sense with carrying on with Dalsgard. Hopefully, both Canos and Woods are available for Tuesday and hopefully Watkins starts over Flo Jo and Maupay trumps Vibe, cos they're the players that seem to be in form imo. Egan isn't really first choice centre back, let alone first choice skipper atm, Bjellend still fails to convince. We weren't awful today but we weren't that good either.
Brentford v Nottm Forest Reports and Reaction
Some very odd team selections for the two league matches. Midfield trios that didn't play together during a very pre season and a central def pairing both of which couldn't get a start for the last 4 months of last season. Seems to me like we've done the hard work and We're a little over confident in our own ability. Attacking wise - probably will work but defensively, partnerships, consistency and organisation pay dividends.
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No, it is not an opinion that he provided the assists for the second and third goals, it is a fact! He also had a good chance, well saved. It's an insult he doesn't deserve for people to suggest he looked disinterested.
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Strange game, I found myself enjoying it one minute and tearing my hair out the next. We dominated for long periods and even at 3-1 I felt confident we would get something out of the game but it wasn't to be.
The defence is worrying me and I can't quite put my finger on whether it's individual mistakes or how we're organising ourselves that's the problem. I must say I wasn't impressed with Dalsgaard's defending today - going forward he looks dangerous but he seems to get caught out of position a lot. But perhaps he wasn't getting the support from others who should have been covering for him. I'd like to see Colin brought back, I still think he's comfortably our strongest right back, but maybe there's something going on in the background and he won't be around for long. Same applies to Harlee.
Watkins had a huge impact when he came on. He does lack composure in front of goal, but if he plays like that every week he doesn't need to be a 20 goal a season man because he'll create so many chances for others.
It felt like we missed a lot of chances, but scoring 3 goals should be enough to win most weeks and I wouldn't be blaming the forward players for today even if one or two were maybe not at their best. If we can just sort out the bloody defence we'll be fine.
One final thought, it almost feels that our new found strength in depth may be counting against us at the moment. It may take a few weeks before we settle on our strongest back 4 and midfield 3 and until we do, the chopping and changing may be a bit disruptive. Clearly it's a nice problem to have but it may just mean we take a little while to get going this season. The talent is evidently there, we just need to find the right balance and combinations to make it work for us. It's certainly been great to see the impact had by the substitutes in all 3 games so far and that strength will really make a difference over the course of the season.
The defence is worrying me and I can't quite put my finger on whether it's individual mistakes or how we're organising ourselves that's the problem. I must say I wasn't impressed with Dalsgaard's defending today - going forward he looks dangerous but he seems to get caught out of position a lot. But perhaps he wasn't getting the support from others who should have been covering for him. I'd like to see Colin brought back, I still think he's comfortably our strongest right back, but maybe there's something going on in the background and he won't be around for long. Same applies to Harlee.
Watkins had a huge impact when he came on. He does lack composure in front of goal, but if he plays like that every week he doesn't need to be a 20 goal a season man because he'll create so many chances for others.
It felt like we missed a lot of chances, but scoring 3 goals should be enough to win most weeks and I wouldn't be blaming the forward players for today even if one or two were maybe not at their best. If we can just sort out the bloody defence we'll be fine.
One final thought, it almost feels that our new found strength in depth may be counting against us at the moment. It may take a few weeks before we settle on our strongest back 4 and midfield 3 and until we do, the chopping and changing may be a bit disruptive. Clearly it's a nice problem to have but it may just mean we take a little while to get going this season. The talent is evidently there, we just need to find the right balance and combinations to make it work for us. It's certainly been great to see the impact had by the substitutes in all 3 games so far and that strength will really make a difference over the course of the season.
Brentford v Nottm Forest Reports and Reaction
The less said about the CB pairing today, the better. Bjelland can't continue.
Dean Smith has selection problems that need sorting pretty quickly. Players are going to be disappointed but the 3 of Nico, Mok and Josh isn't going to crack the code. Vibe was miles away from anyone, and miles off the pace. When he plays like today there's no chance anyone has time to get near him if he does somehow manage to control a pass. This is Smith's Achilles heal, he'll keep fumbling around until he stumbles on the right combination. Two of the goals against were exceptional today and came at a frustrating times, Bentley was helpless but pulled off some important saves to limit damage. What did Dean Smith say or do at half time? the lads came out stunned and shocked and not raring to go. Managing a huge squad with options in every position is a difficult challenge but there can be no excuses on Tuesday. Watkins is a star, deserved a goal and has to be brought into the starting line up. Left side of a back 3 knowing Smith. Maupay also impressive when he came on and should start Tues too. The clock got the better of us this afternoon.
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We will play much worse and win this season....it was one of those games 
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Still waiting for a 4-4 home draw for the first time in a football league match. Thought it might just happen this afternoon. Hoping Watkins' last minute curler would creep in. lol
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***** defending, Deano you were a defender, sort out this ****ing mess at the back. You do not just head the ball out from the central back line , into a central position, **** knows what the midfield were up too. Fair play to forest they were crap as well. Talk about give the game away. Appalling. if we have players that do not want to be here **** them off out of it. I.m so ****ed off with so called players that want more and more money wise. I have seen four great seasons of late . that performance was unacceptable today. Time to sort out a steady stable team. the man for me was Olly Watkins.So so disapointed with this team performance with Dean Smith at the top of the pile. Woeful.
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Thought atmosphere was poor, was standing far left of Ealing road by floodlight so not exactly in the middle of it.
Went 1-0 up and seemed like we were coasting, free kick from them, bit of head tennis and great volley from edge of box and Bentley didn't see it.
Couple of minutes later, weak shot hit inside of post rebounded to striker with open goal and going in at half time 2-1 down when looked like we would be going in with a lead.
2nd half and hoped for a strong start and next thing we are 3-1 down and lucky not to go 4-1 down but for great Bentley save.
Good substitutions with Sawyers and Watkins look like they should start Tuesday and Maupay getting in the scorecard.
Scored late goals and went 2-3 then 2-4 only to go 3-4 but scored too late to get equaliser although Watkins had a late shot.
Didn't think Bjelland did much wrong and whilst Egan did ok, considering both centre halves scored and were not direct responsible for any of the goals, that wasn't the problem, although we would take Harlee as first choice.
Where we lost ground was Mokotjo did ok, but not as dominant as Woods as yet.Dean with his presence, but with both centre halves scoring says a lot.
Zoom is not Canos, Vibe had no service and did little but the big one for me is that McEchran is a luxury player and Watkins or / and Sawyers deserve to start.
Rico didn't have the best match, so all in all 6's and 7's for most of the team.
More possession, more shots similiar to last week.
Will come good and not concerned, but need to put cock on block ref: summer transfer sales.
Went 1-0 up and seemed like we were coasting, free kick from them, bit of head tennis and great volley from edge of box and Bentley didn't see it.
Couple of minutes later, weak shot hit inside of post rebounded to striker with open goal and going in at half time 2-1 down when looked like we would be going in with a lead.
2nd half and hoped for a strong start and next thing we are 3-1 down and lucky not to go 4-1 down but for great Bentley save.
Good substitutions with Sawyers and Watkins look like they should start Tuesday and Maupay getting in the scorecard.
Scored late goals and went 2-3 then 2-4 only to go 3-4 but scored too late to get equaliser although Watkins had a late shot.
Didn't think Bjelland did much wrong and whilst Egan did ok, considering both centre halves scored and were not direct responsible for any of the goals, that wasn't the problem, although we would take Harlee as first choice.
Where we lost ground was Mokotjo did ok, but not as dominant as Woods as yet.Dean with his presence, but with both centre halves scoring says a lot.
Zoom is not Canos, Vibe had no service and did little but the big one for me is that McEchran is a luxury player and Watkins or / and Sawyers deserve to start.
Rico didn't have the best match, so all in all 6's and 7's for most of the team.
More possession, more shots similiar to last week.
Will come good and not concerned, but need to put cock on block ref: summer transfer sales.
Brentford v Nottm Forest Reports and Reaction
Like others, I can't quite put my finger on exactly what is wrong with our defence. Someone today (who I suspect knows much more about this than me) said it's because our full backs were keen to get forward too often and left their slower CB team mates a bit exposed. But we also had runners receiving balls against our static CB pairing well away from the full back territories.
I wouldn't have been surprised if we won 5-4 today, we created so many chances. Watkins and Maupay were v good, I expect they are not starting because we don't want too many newcomers in the starting line-up.
At the GPG interview with Dean Smith he did say exactly what he was going to do against teams that left too many players up when defending a corner. That exact plan was executed very well. I even got an SMS from West Ealing Bee after the goal reminding me about that conversation
I wouldn't have been surprised if we won 5-4 today, we created so many chances. Watkins and Maupay were v good, I expect they are not starting because we don't want too many newcomers in the starting line-up.
At the GPG interview with Dean Smith he did say exactly what he was going to do against teams that left too many players up when defending a corner. That exact plan was executed very well. I even got an SMS from West Ealing Bee after the goal reminding me about that conversation
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Brentford v Nottm Forest Reports and Reaction
If we can work out how to defend our box and just outside we may actually do something this season - shambolic Sunday league stuff at times 
Can't wait to see Watkins start on Tuesday night (I hope) and may even go as far as having Maupay replace Vibe - who unfortuantely seems to be a slow starter at the begining of new seasons. Two saturday's in a row now having to go away from game immensely frustrated but still with hope we can get it to click sooner rather than later.
Can't wait to see Watkins start on Tuesday night (I hope) and may even go as far as having Maupay replace Vibe - who unfortuantely seems to be a slow starter at the begining of new seasons. Two saturday's in a row now having to go away from game immensely frustrated but still with hope we can get it to click sooner rather than later.
Brentford v Nottm Forest Reports and Reaction
Same old same old with defence. Good individual players but poor tactics and set up. Same as last season. We defend too deep and too narrow Back off and ball watch inviting other teams to have shots from way too close. Kick the buggers whilst they are up the pitch and/or out on the touch line, not stand and watch from 5 - 10 yards away deep in the area. As said above, Smith was a defender but seems to be sterile in terms of setting up a defence, formation and tactics to employ. I'm still of the opinion that with Smith at the helm we may as well have chosen the Titanic as the new club crest. The man appears clueless in selection, tactics, formation, etc. We over achieved in a poor division last season and this season will expose our frailties as we cannot be that fortunate again.
Today we had the usual bulk of possession but failed to take the many opportunities that we created. Why shoot at goal when you can have a couple of touches and look to pass to someone by the corner flag? Forest didn't do that, they shot and reaped the rewards. Watkins and Maupay livened things up when they came on. But how Vibe gets a starting berth is beyond me. Cannot head the ball, poor ball control, poor passing and falls on his arse too much with very little contact.
Hopefully Dean Smith will sort out the team selection and tactics for a Tuesday, but I am not holding my breath.
Today we had the usual bulk of possession but failed to take the many opportunities that we created. Why shoot at goal when you can have a couple of touches and look to pass to someone by the corner flag? Forest didn't do that, they shot and reaped the rewards. Watkins and Maupay livened things up when they came on. But how Vibe gets a starting berth is beyond me. Cannot head the ball, poor ball control, poor passing and falls on his arse too much with very little contact.
Hopefully Dean Smith will sort out the team selection and tactics for a Tuesday, but I am not holding my breath.
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I'm saying the ongoing contract issue with him has made him unavailable . Who knows, maybe more to it behind the scenes, why else wouldn't the captain play, even at wimbledon in the league cup he wasn't captain.
Colin has been class for us but also see why Dalsgaard is playing, as per my post.
I've said Watkins and Maupay have to start. I said Vibe was poor today.
With a regular run our Egan will come good. That injury to Bjellend the other year could be a big set back for him.
Brentford v Nottm Forest Reports and Reaction
Yes I can. Because it's what I choose to believe. You can think otherwise if you wish, that's your prerogative.
Neither of those two goals were crafted, created, deserved or earnt. They weren't the product of clever and skilful build-up play, trickery or cleverness. They were just loose balls cleared from the box, that were whopped back towards the goal in the speculative hope they may go in. They did. On another day they might end up in the stand.
You may not think my differentiation is important. A goal's a goal after all isn't it, regardless of how its scored, but to me it is, the nature of how a goal is scored is far more important. They were just two lucky strikes that ended up as goals—there's not a lot you can do to defend against them.
I'd be far more concerned if our defence had been opened up like a can of beans through skilful buildup play and the two goals had been simple taps-ins. They weren't.
This differentiation is precisely the reason I don't consider the defence to be at fault for them and almost everyone on the GPG points the finger at the two Centre Backs as not being good enough. I mean, someone's got to be to blame haven't they?
Brentford v Nottm Forest Reports and Reaction
Perhaps I need my ears syringed then. I thought it was dreadful.
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Brentford v Nottm Forest Reports and Reaction
It is my opinion that he wasn't good today. I'd go as far to say that My opinion is it was one of his lesser games in bees shirt. It is also my opinion that he looked to me that his mind was elsewhere and or not interested in today's game. My opinion is that if he'd looked more interested and showed a bit more of the eagerness we are used to from him, who knows what else he could have done. His set up for Maupay is what he can do regularly and he left it til injury time to do it.I have not insulted Jota or any of our players ?
Why or how is that an insult you prune ?
Brentford v Nottm Forest Reports and Reaction
Yes, I would agree that's where some of the problems are coming from. Both Dalsgaard and Henry are very good going forward, and both caused a lot of problems down the flanks, but as you rightly point out, they don't get back into position quickly enough and neither Jozefzoon or Jota track back to cover them and help out in defence. That's why we'll always be susceptible to quick counter attacks when our own attacks break down and why we will always concede goals, it's the style of football we play.
Where's it really going wrong in my mind, is that we're simply not converting enough of our possession and attacking play into goals, bearing in mind, given our style of play, we're always going to be susceptible to conceding them from counter-attacks. If we leave more players back, we won't be as effective going forward and I can't see them changing their style of play.
Once Canos comes back, Smith gets the midfielder balance right and they start moving the ball through midfield with a higher tempo I think our fortunes will change.