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Brentford 0-1 Birmingham - Match Reports

Norgaard
Valencia
Mokotjo
Maupay
Benrahma

All unavailable.

It means we had to play without a real striker and with limited options on the bench.

Just our luck that they took a very fortunate early lead and sat back, so we had no one to bring off the bench to really go for it. We also should have had a penalty but just one of those days.

New signings:

Raya - didn’t have a save to make, distribution was okay under very little pressure

Pinnock - wasn’t tested much defensively but did ok.

Jansson - as above. Love his controlled aggression.

Jensen - scares me and excited me in equal measure.

MOTM - Dalsgaard. Was our out ball, created some of our best chances and dominated in the air.
 

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Good first half, awful second half.

I didn’t like that we flitted between Marcondes, Forss and Watkins up top. Suggests we don’t have a clear plan for that spot.

Jensen is as quality.
 

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Marcondea my mom but Brentford why are theae players unavailable??????
 

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Thought pre-season was over, that had the pace of a training 5 a side,
 

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Thought the new boys did alright. The two Js look very promising. Pinnock defends well but looks to be another defender who can't see beyond his own half - always passing back or sideways and not carrying the ball. Much like Konsa was for most of last season.
To state the bleeding obvious, we need a finisher.
First half totally dominant. Second half ran out of ideas - too much long ball and sideways passing.
Have to admit they took their goal well but he was totally unmarked. Could the keeper have done better?
 

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Considering what we had available we did ok and would have won had we scored first .

We lacked width, pace and guile in the final third and never moved the ball with our normal pace with too many slow sideways and backwards passes. Maybe because the front three did not show enough for the ball.

Henry was also a passenger and surely wasn’t fit as he never ran at them and constantly turned back with the ball.

We had four gilt edged chances in the first half and should have scored with them all.

Dasilva and Jensen did well but we ran out of ideas and never really threatened in the last quarter.

Birmingham were awful and offered nothing bar organisation and time wasting..

I was hoping for a win but once I saw the team would have settled for a point.

Expect a totally different team next weekend.

Don’t panic or criticise everyone!!
 

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BFC1997 said:
Norgaard
Valencia
Mokotjo
Maupay
Benrahma

All unavailable.

It means we had to play without a real striker and with limited options on the bench.

Just our luck that they took a very fortunate early lead and sat back, so we had no one to bring off the bench to really go for it. We also should have had a penalty but just one of those days.

New signings:

Raya - didn’t have a save to make, distribution was okay under very little pressure

Pinnock - wasn’t tested much defensively but did ok.

Jansson - as above. Love his controlled aggression.

Jensen - scares me and excited me in equal measure.

MOTM - Dalsgaard. Was our out ball, created some of our best chances and dominated in the air.
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That about sums it all up, That was 3 points thrown away as well, If it was a game of how many sideways passes can a team make without making much progress we won hands down, our forward movement was sparse and poor at times, we needed Maupay today, and it showed, he should have played, the worrying thing is where are the goals going to come when we sell him?
 

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hitchinb said:
Thought the new boys did alright. The two Js look very promising. Pinnock defends well but looks to be another defender who can't see beyond his own half - always passing back or sideways and not carrying the ball. Much like Konsa was for most of last season.
To state the bleeding obvious, we need a finisher.
First half totally dominant. Second half ran out of ideas - too much long ball and sideways passing.
Have to admit they took their goal well but he was totally unmarked. Could the keeper have done better?
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No
 

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We all know you must take your chances and we didn't.That's it really. I can't fault any of the players for effort. Defensively we looked solid but they were abject in attack so who knows.
Jensn looks like an excellent playmaker. It will be interesting to see who features when Norgaard and Mokotjo are available. Hey ho 45 to go.
 

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Not sure how it was allowed for them to alter their substitution. That was thing that baffled me. The rest im still trying to digest.
 

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As soon as we conceded, we created very little. We looked good going forward for most of the first half. We looked totally unable to create a clear chance in the second half.
Like many times in the past few seasons, teams will come to Griffin Park and be very cagey trying to get the lead. After that, they will shut up shop and it's up to us to break them down. And that's basically what happened today. We didn't really look like scoring and we deserved to lose.
 

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Really didn't need 3 centre backs.
Play 4-3-3, with Kamo in the middle of those midfield three, and I reckon we win that game comfortably.
Jensen and Da-Silva both had nice moments throughout but often lacked off-the-ball movement.
Pontus was quality and defence in general comfortable against very little Brum threat.
Rico relatively conservative but did nothing wrong and Dalsgaard put in a shift winning countless attacking headers.
Raya didn't have much to do and header for goal very few keepers would have saved.
Canos was really lively and chipped in defensively too.
Watkins doesn't look like a striker and would have him back on the wing.
Marcondes would benefit from more movement around him from midfield.

Plenty of positives but we should have got the three points against a pretty poor brum side.
 

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To Bee Someone said:
Not sure how it was allowed for them to alter their substitution. That was thing that baffled me. The rest im still trying to digest.
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Wasn't there.
What happened with the sub?
No sub is complete until the player is on. They can change the sub if they want to. Just need to notify the 4th before it happens.
If it delays things the ref should have continued and asked to do the sub when they are ready.
 

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ladbroke said:
Wasn't there.
What happened with the sub?
No sub is complete until the player is on. They can change the sub if they want to. Just need to notify the 4th before it happens.
If it delays things the ref should have continued and asked to do the sub when they are ready.
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If thats the letter of the law i suppose it was ok. They changed right at the last minute. Literally as Gardner was coming off, they stopped cos Maghoma was down. Thought it was a bit sly though
 

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PS - ref was another championship gimp who allowed the standard timewasting games and cynical fouls from a poorer team.
Which reminds me - was it a penalty near the end? Looked like someone (Pontus?) was shoved in the back in front of ER when going for a header.
 

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moribee said:
Marcondea my mom but Brentford why are theae players unavailable??????
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In order they are listed above

Injured
Presumably awaiting international clearance?
Working his way back after AFCON duties
Who knows
Working up to fitness after injury/operation

Hope this helps
 

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IDontBeeLieveIt said:
PS - ref was another championship gimp who allowed the standard timewasting games and cynical fouls from a poorer team.
Which reminds me - was it a penalty near the end? Looked like someone (Pontus?) was shoved in the back in front of ER when going for a header.
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Nah, one you appeal for in the hope a ***** ref like today's one gives really.

Do feel like we should have got one for Gardner pulling down Jeanvier at a corner about 10 or minutes before. Ref warned him then just let him do it anyway :rolleyes:
 

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kevalutonbee said:
In order they are listed above

Injured
Presumably awaiting international clearance?
Working his way back after AFCON duties
Who knows
Working up to fitness after injury/operation

Hope this helps
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Valencia doesn't need international clearance but probably came too soon for him (although I'd probably have gambled on him and Kamo on bench - think we could have done with both).
 

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Dazza said:
Nah, one you appeal for in the hope a ***** ref like today's one gives really.

Do feel like we should have got one for Gardner pulling down Jeanvier at a corner about 10 or minutes before. Ref warned him then just let him do it anyway :rolleyes:
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Fair enough - yeah saw the Jeanvier one too - following previous tussles with him including him being down on the floor as if he'd been nutted off the ball. Hard to say from middle of Braemar but looked pretty dodgy.
 

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Newport Pagnell Bee said:
M'head agrees with you about Marcondes. I thought he was poor. I'm trying to work out what I missed.
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I think it was far from his best game too. However I give him the usual caveat of him being a player who tries to make things happen and play little triangles to release people round corners. I don't think the midfield provided enough off the ball movement for him to be effective.
 

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IDontBeeLieveIt said:
PS - ref was another championship gimp who allowed the standard timewasting games and cynical fouls from a poorer team.
Which reminds me - was it a penalty near the end? Looked like someone (Pontus?) was shoved in the back in front of ER when going for a header.
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Dean had his arms round him but it would have been very soft.
 

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IDontBeeLieveIt said:
Fair enough - yeah saw the Jeanvier one too - following previous tussles with him including him being down on the floor as if he'd been nutted off the ball. Hard to say from middle of Braemar but looked pretty dodgy.
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I had a fairly good view of it and he was clearly impeded but probably went down bit easily and gave the ref an easy reason to not give it.
 

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Leicester Bee said:
As soon as we conceded, we created very little. We looked good going forward for most of the first half. We looked totally unable to create a clear chance in the second half.
Like many times in the past few seasons, teams will come to Griffin Park and be very cagey trying to get the lead. After that, they will shut up shop and it's up to us to break them down. And that's basically what happened today. We didn't really look like scoring and we deserved to lose.
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Canos has three good chances, 2 first, one second and all were poor.

I love sergi but second half he has to do better with that one.
 

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Dazza said:
Nah, one you appeal for in the hope a ***** ref like today's one gives really.

Do feel like we should have got one for Gardner pulling down Jeanvier at a corner about 10 or minutes before. Ref warned him then just let him do it anyway :rolleyes:
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And then let him do it again from he next corner.
 

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North London Bee said:
Considering what we had available we did ok and would have won had we scored first .

We lacked width, pace and guile in the final third and never moved the ball with our normal pace with too many slow sideways and backwards passes. Maybe because the front three did not show enough for the ball.

Henry was also a passenger and surely wasn’t fit as he never ran at them and constantly turned back with the ball.

We had four gilt edged chances in the first half and should have scored with them all.

Dasilva and Jensen did well but we ran out of ideas and never really threatened in the last quarter.

Birmingham were awful and offered nothing bar organisation and time wasting..

I was hoping for a win but once I saw the team would have settled for a point.

Expect a totally different team next weekend.

Don’t panic or criticise everyone!!
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Exactly how I saw it.
 

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Dazza said:
Nah, one you appeal for in the hope a ***** ref like today's one gives really.

Do feel like we should have got one for Gardner pulling down Jeanvier at a corner about 10 or minutes before. Ref warned him then just let him do it anyway :rolleyes:
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Newport Pagnell Bee said:
M'head agrees with you about Marcondes. I thought he was poor. I'm trying to work out what I missed.
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He was excellent first half, the whole team was a bit devoid second half so maybe he had done enough to win MOM.
 

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IDontBeeLieveIt said:
Valencia doesn't need international clearance but probably came too soon for him (although I'd probably have gambled on him and Kamo on bench - think we could have done with both).
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As stated by TF, he DOES need clearance.
 

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Thought Raya was to far off his line for their goal
Thought their no 20 should have been off first half as did 2 cynical fouls before he was rightly booked & it was him that man handled jeanvier to the floor in 2nd half
 

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IDontBeeLieveIt said:
Oh - someone on here said he had a Spanish passport so didn't. Guess he doesn't then!
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That's a different issue (would be work permit if he didn't have a Spanish passport) when a player moves between FA's you have to get international clearance from the players's old FA before he can play. Shouldn't take long but all depends on the old FA doing their paperwork in a timely fashion.
 

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Dazza said:
That's a different issue (would be work permit if he didn't have a Spanish passport) when a player moves between FA's you have to get international clearance from the players's old FA before he can play. Shouldn't take long but all depends on the old FA doing their paperwork in a timely fashion.
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Les Beeavinu said:
Any player signing from abroad needs clearance. It's a football thing, not employment.
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Ahhhh yes of course. Head clouded with post-match frustration clearly. :sorted:
 

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Not sure where this will rank in the "Unluckiest Defeat in the past 5 Seasons", but it's definitely right up there in the top 10. There's been so many however....
 

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IDontBeeLieveIt said:
Oh - someone on here said he had a Spanish passport so didn't. Guess he doesn't then!
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The international clearance is between football associations, nothing to do with passports. In this case, his registration with Piast Gliwice will have been registered with the Polish FA and he is being transferred to be registered with The FA in England, so it is those two football associations that need to clear it.
 

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mhead bee said:
Canos has three good chances, 2 first, one second and all were poor.

I love sergi but second half he has to do better with that one.
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But harsh on Canos. Thought he tried to take the game by the scruff of the neck. Watkins in the other hand offered v little
 

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Rico clearly not fit. Was like playing with 10 men. Add that to the “senior” players missing all mentioned above. We were still unlucky not to get 1or even 3 points.

What ever is happening between now and 5 on Thursday, at least it is only one game unlike when the Birmingham 3 went we had this type of hangover for 5 or 6 games before we started to play.

Back under the radar again.
 

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Banana said:
Not sure where this will rank in the "Unluckiest Defeat in the past 5 Seasons", but it's definitely right up there in the top 10. There's been so many however....
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I think it was literally their only shot of the entire game they scored with so it's going to be hard to trump! (not shot on target....only shot at all! and it being a header from outside the box!)
The other stats are also ridiculous in our favour too.
 

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Their corners. Why don’t we leave a man on the halfway line? It just gave them license to push every player up, which they did. Absolute nonsense IMHO.
 

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RoyBee said:
Their corners. Why don’t we leave a man on the halfway line? It just gave them license to push every player up, which they did. Absolute nonsense IMHO.
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I think 2 men should be up by the centre circle, that will take 3 of the oppositions players away, taking 5 players out of the penalty area, making it better for our goalkeeper and defenders.
 

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Hard to lose to a team so poor who’s game plan was to hoof it to Jutkiwiecz at every opportunity. Gardner should have got a 2nd yellow on about 50 mins, we played on so the ref bottled it.
I liked the look of Jensen. Watkins was wasted up front as he’s not good with his back to goal. Marcondes had the best chance when he hit the bar, should have put that away. DaSilva was knackered in the 2nd half and probably should have been subbed. How many times did he play the ball back to the defence when we needed someone to carry it. Sergi continues to try complicated stuff when he struggles with the basics.
We deserved to get something out of it. They completed 67 passes in the first half, probably 15 were off LJ’s head. We completed just short of 400. The gulf in footballing ability was huge.
 

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A very “Brentford innit” performance. Cheered by the transfer news. Just have to put this one down to experience, forget about it and move on to next Saturday.

Impressed with Jensen, his long range passing is superb, but he needs a few steaks and Guinness if he’s going to compete in this league.
 

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abeeforever said:
I think 2 men should be up by the centre circle, that will take 3 of the oppositions players away, taking 5 players out of the penalty area, making it better for our goalkeeper and defenders.
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Exactly. I’d love to know why we don’t.
 

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RoyBee said:
Exactly. I’d love to know why we don’t.
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Wasn't this a question a while ago and there was a clear explanation at the time? Was it Smith or Frank?
 

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jlove said:
Wasn't this a question a while ago and there was a clear explanation at the time? Was it Smith or Frank?
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Yes. If you leave too many players up you can can get overloaded on a short corner. Watch John Egan’s goal V Forest two years ago for an example...
 

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North London Bee said:
Considering what we had available we did ok and would have won had we scored first .

We lacked width, pace and guile in the final third and never moved the ball with our normal pace with too many slow sideways and backwards passes. Maybe because the front three did not show enough for the ball.

Henry was also a passenger and surely wasn’t fit as he never ran at them and constantly turned back with the ball.

We had four gilt edged chances in the first half and should have scored with them all.

Dasilva and Jensen did well but we ran out of ideas and never really threatened in the last quarter.

Birmingham were awful and offered nothing bar organisation and time wasting..

I was hoping for a win but once I saw the team would have settled for a point.

Expect a totally different team next weekend.


Don’t panic or criticise everyone!!
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I don't know what the problem is with Norgaard but if he is still unavailable the only additions are likely to be Valencia and Mokotjo, one or other probably on bench
can't see how this would be a totally different team.
 

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We played all the football in the first half but didn’t score.
Their goal was a freak but without a genuine forward we didn’t look like scoring.
Emiliano is a talented player but never a centre forward.
No one played badly, Jansson, Pinnock and Jensen played very well, Sergi worked hard but no end product.
Hearing positive news of incomings and Neal will be sold if a half decent bid comes in but we’ll be fine.
12 months ago he wasn’t rated by many on here(not me and football people) so we’ll cope
 

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rebus said:
A very “Brentford innit” performance. Cheered by the transfer news. Just have to put this one down to experience, forget about it and move on to next Saturday.

Impressed with Jensen, his long range passing is superb, but he needs a few steaks and Guinness if he’s going to compete in this league.
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He looked tougher than I'd been led to believe.
 

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hairman said:
He looked tougher than I'd been led to believe.
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I agree, thought he looked absolutely fine with the physical side of things just needs a few more minutes in the legs. The booking he got was quite nice to see actually as it showed he is prepared to fly in when needed. Something a certain Mr Mceachran didn't do in several seasons.
 

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It’s true we were unlucky first half. However, what an insipid performance in the 2nd half.
TF must have been eating a different game.
Marcondes and Watkins are light weights easily knocked off the ball, unlike NM.
Best this game happened now and hopefully we sell Watkins and Maupay soon and use the cash effectively.
 

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Watching not eating!
 
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