Players in/players out?

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Players in/players out?

Reading Leroy's comments following the Oldham match it seems he's come to the same conclusion as the majority of this board that we need to bring some new faces in to arrest the current slide. Unlike RoyalOakBee I'd be against finding some extra money to add to the current budget and we're only going to save so much by cutting overnight stays (What about Carlisle? - copyright CBU) so money needs to be saved elsewhere. We're currently loaning out some of the bit part players which will save a bit of money but I think it's time to start considering moving on first teamers to see if shifting the squad about makes a difference. I'd start by inviting offers for Skulason, Pinault, Moore, Brooker, Tillen on frees in January or loan now and seriously consider cash offers for Frampton and O'Connor in the window. Clyde wouldn't be kept on. The players we need are an experienced centre midfielder and a decent forward, any savings made could go toward these. Shaking things up within the current squad hasn't worked so it's time to try something new.
 

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Simon C said:
Reading Leroy's comments following the Oldham match it seems he's come to the same conclusion as the majority of this board that we need to bring some new faces in to arrest the current slide. Unlike RoyalOakBee I'd be against finding some extra money to add to the current budget and we're only going to save so much by cutting overnight stays (What about Carlisle? - copyright CBU) so money needs to be saved elsewhere. We're currently loaning out some of the bit part players which will save a bit of money but I think it's time to start considering moving on first teamers to see if shifting the squad about makes a difference. I'd start by inviting offers for Skulason, Pinault, Moore, Brooker, Tillen on frees in January or loan now and seriously consider cash offers for Frampton and O'Connor in the window. Clyde wouldn't be kept on. The players we need are an experienced centre midfielder and a decent forward, any savings made could go toward these. Shaking things up within the current squad hasn't worked so it's time to try something new.
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Can't disagree too much with that although would probably would like to keep Chris Moore. The only problem as I see it though is Skulason is about the only player who would attract much interest.
 

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Les Beeavinu said:
Can't disagree too much with that although would probably would like to keep Chris Moore. The only problem as I see it though is Skulason is about the only player who would attract much interest.
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I'm not sure he would actually. I think Brooker would interest League 2 teams on loan, as might Tillen.

Moore hasn't shown much when I've seen him but I don't think we should discard him, he's suffered from us not having a reserve team and a loan spell might work for both of us. Even 3 months if we could use the money to get a player in for a similar amount of time.
 

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Decent forwards are a rare commodity and will not come cheap.

We can offer as many free transfers as we like, but until they go we can't look for replacements, so if some how we got a deal to get rid of 5 or 6 in January, but on January 31st, we could be scuppered getting replacements. Loans would be an option, although many players would prefer to be loaned to a side higher up the table and not put themselves up for a relegation battle when they are probably in the main on the 1st rung of the ladder.

On the other hand we might not get rid of any and then have a 3rd of the squad on the transfer list as we try and stave off releagtion, not sure that would be good either.

Best we can hope for is Wijnhard off the pay roll, with Owusu replacing him.
Hopefully loaning Fitzgerald for 3 months (please someone!!) and Willock for a similar period. Then get someone of some experience into the midfield. Thats the best I can see. Unless we get an offer for O'Connor, although he shouldn't be transfer listed as you are unlikely to get the best deals when clubs know you want rid.
 

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Simon C said:
I'm not sure he would actually. I think Brooker would interest League 2 teams on loan
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Might interest them, but would they be prepared to pay him what he could still get for another 18 months at Brentford.
 

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I wasn't advocating them all going as I know that would never happen. The idea was to invite offers (you don't need to let the players know) for 5 or 6 and if you find takers for 1 or 2 then you have some budget to change things around.

I wouldn't invite offers for Frampton or O'Connor but if they are enquired about I'd serously consider it.
 

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Gee Bee said:
Might interest them, but would they be prepared to pay him what he could still get for another 18 months at Brentford.
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Unlikely but a loan with a percentage of his wage paid for would free up some cash. He's an expensive mistake which we're stuck with and we're not getting our money's worth at all. Luckily I don't believe he's around as long as you think he is.
 

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Simon C said:
I wasn't advocating them all going as I know that would never happen. The idea was to invite offers (you don't need to let the players know) for 5 or 6 and if you find takers for 1 or 2 then you have some budget to change things around.

I wouldn't invite offers for Frampton or O'Connor but if they are enquired about I'd serously consider it.
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I think you are duty bound to let players know they are on offer.
 

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Simon C said:
Luckily I don't believe he's around as long as you think he is.
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When he signed it was anoounced as a 3 year deal. He is now in his 2nd year, why could he not be around until the summer of 2008?
 

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Gee Bee said:
When he signed it was anoounced as a 3 year deal. He is now in his 2nd year, why could he not be around until the summer of 2008?
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I may be wrong but I thought this was discussed in the summer, where's Chapman when you need him.
 

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Simon C said:
I may be wrong but I thought this was discussed in the summer, where's Chapman when you need him.
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I think I recall abee stating that his contract expired next June.
 

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abee said that Brooker's contract expires in the Summer of 2007.
 

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Simon C said:
I definitely remember someone saying that, I thought it was Chapman or WEB. Here's hoping.
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It's a matter of confusion. abee is normally correct on these matters. If that is the case then only Heywood, Frampton, Carder-Andrews and O'Connor would be "in contract" for next season unless I have missed someone.

An near to ideal situation for repositioning of the budget and creating a new squad.
 

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markbfc said:
It's a matter of confusion. abee is normally correct on these matters. If that is the case then only Heywood, Frampton, Carder-Andrews and O'Connor would be "in contract" for next season unless I have missed someone.

An near to ideal situation for repositioning of the budget and creating a new squad.
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And Tillen sadly.
 

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markbfc said:
He looked a decent prospect in January/February so I'm hoping he can recapture it.
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He should have had longer to prove it then, the option was taken up way too early. I think we both said this at the time.
 

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markbfc said:
He looked a decent prospect in January/February so I'm hoping he can recapture it.
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He hasn't been half the player he was last season. Fingers crossed him recaptures his form and confidence.
 

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Les Beeavinu said:
Can't disagree too much with that although would probably would like to keep Chris Moore. The only problem as I see it though is Skulason is about the only player who would attract much interest.
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I thought we tried to get rid of brooker and willock anyway by putting them on a transfer but nobody wanted them.
 

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Wonder what Coca Cola would make of us sending Moore out on loan?
 

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mhead bee said:
I thought we tried to get rid of brooker and willock anyway by putting them on a transfer but nobody wanted them.
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I think that it's easier to agree a deal with a player nearing the end of a contract. Smaller signing on fees and more desperation on the players part means that clubs can negotiate cheaper deals.
 

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Simon C said:
He should have had longer to prove it then, the option was taken up way too early. I think we both said this at the time.
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Yes, I still stand by my comment of no contracts longer than a year to a) keep them hungry and b) ensure we can ship people out to amend the budget and provide fresh blood.
 

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Banana said:
abee said that Brooker's contract expires in the Summer of 2007.
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If you can reference me on that then I'll hold my hand up to a typo. I thought that I had always been adamant that Brookers contract ran through June 2008. If I recall North London Bee suggested that there may be an option to terminate after two years. It's a holiday in Paris today so I'm just in and out of the office but I cannot find in any search where I stated Brookers contract as being up in 2007.
 

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markbfc said:
Yes, I still stand by my comment of no contracts longer than a year to a) keep them hungry and b) ensure we can ship people out to amend the budget and provide fresh blood.
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Having the option of a second year is handy too but we've taken it up far too early recently. Players should be made to earn new deals throughout the season, not in the first few months.

I'd only argue with you for players who have proved themselves at the club, e.g. O'Connor and Frampton. For new signings I agree with you.
 

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Simon C said:
Having the option of a second year is handy too but we've taken it up far too early recently. Players should be made to earn new deals throughout the season, not in the first few months.

I'd only argue with you for players who have proved themselves at the club, e.g. O'Connor and Frampton. For new signings I agree with you.
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Yes, granted, but three years was too long in our financial situation. We can assign options on any player we care to sign. Seems to be the way forward.
 

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abee said:
If you can reference me on that then I'll hold my hand up to a typo. I thought that I had always been adamant that Brookers contract ran through June 2008. If I recall North London Bee suggested that there may be an option to terminate after two years. It's a holiday in Paris today so I'm just in and out of the office but I cannot find in any search where I stated Brookers contract as being up in 2007.
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........but not including of course the man who signed you, gave you a job to do, managed you for a season and then having decided that you did not deliver gave you a free transfer with two years of your contract remaining........
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This was my post on 16 June 2006 on the "Goodbye to Brooker and Newman" thread after Martin Allen released Newman and gave Brooker a free transfer. I made it clear that there were still two years left on Brooker's contract. As I have said if Banana can reference where I said that Brookers contract was up in June 2007 then I'll hold my hands up to a typo.
 

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markbfc said:
Yes, I still stand by my comment of no contracts longer than a year to a) keep them hungry and b) ensure we can ship people out to amend the budget and provide fresh blood.
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Absolutely right!

The only exception should be the resigning of somebody like tabb who would have been worth every penny and you know he would not get complacent and would have a good fee if sold.

We seem to have offered a lot of long term contracts to players who have little to justify it and have yet to prove any value.
 

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markbfc said:
We can assign options on any player we care to sign. Seems to be the way forward.
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They don't have to agree though and I doubt many experienced players would.
 

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mhead bee said:
We seem to have offered a lot of long term contracts to players
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Alot? We have about 24 professionals and only 4 or 5 in contract next season, I would suggest that is not alot. :confused:
 

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abee said:
This was my post on 16 June 2006 on the "Goodbye to Brooker and Newman" thread after Martin Allen released Newman and gave Brooker a free transfer. I made it clear that there were still two years left on Brooker's contract. As I have said if Banana can reference where I said that Brookers contract was up in June 2007 then I'll hold my hands up to a typo.
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No - I'll hold my hands-up :blush
 

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abee said:
If you can reference me on that then I'll hold my hand up to a typo. I thought that I had always been adamant that Brookers contract ran through June 2008. If I recall North London Bee suggested that there may be an option to terminate after two years. It's a holiday in Paris today so I'm just in and out of the office but I cannot find in any search where I stated Brookers contract as being up in 2007.
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I think you did in reply to my hope/entreaty that IF his contract went up to 2008 there might be a club option on the last year
 

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Why do my capital letters have to be larger than Les's :cry:
 

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markbfc said:
Yes, granted, but three years was too long in our financial situation. We can assign options on any player we care to sign. Seems to be the way forward.
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This begs the question re Brooker why the previous managment and present board were allowed to give him (or anyone else for that matter) this length of time.......:nono:

To attract the player in the first instance would spring to mind.......:rolleyes:
 

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North London Bee said:
I think you did in reply to my hope/entreaty that IF his contract went up to 2008 there might be a club option on the last year
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My recollection is that you posted that your understanding/information was that Brooker had a two year contract with a one year option and that I replied that there was no option and that his contract expired on June 30 2008.

Anyway it's not too important as long as we are all agreed that we have Brooker for another season unles another club comes in for him. One point is that when LR was appointed, Brooker was on the transfer list along with Willock and Fitzgerald. LR chose to take Brooker off the list so as far as I am concerned he is a Leroy player.
 

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RitchBee said:
This begs the question re Brooker why the previous managment and present board were allowed to give him (or anyone else for that matter) this length of time.......:nono:

To attract the player in the first instance would spring to mind.......:rolleyes:
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...........surely previous management and previous board........the present board was constituted on January 20 2006 when Brooker was already under contract through June 30 2008.
 

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RitchBee said:
This begs the question re Brooker why the previous managment and present board were allowed to give him (or anyone else for that matter) this length of time.......:nono:

To attract the player in the first instance would spring to mind.......:rolleyes:
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Then we get back to value for money. I don't think we've seen it.
 

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abee said:
One point is that when LR was appointed, Brooker was on the transfer list along with Willock and Fitzgerald. LR chose to take Brooker off the list so as far as I am concerned he is a Leroy player.
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Quite right.
 

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I thnk we should try and get Chris Hargreaves back from Oxford and plonk him in centre mid and shout at skullarson all game long.
 

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RitchBee said:
This begs the question re Brooker why the previous managment and present board were allowed to give him (or anyone else for that matter) this length of time.......:nono:

To attract the player in the first instance would spring to mind.......:rolleyes:
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That's a good point but the Brooker contract was signed well before the take-over and the new BFC board constituted.

That was then, this is now so perhaps Chappers and Banana can tell us exactly what instructions the Bees United board has given to its BFC subsidiary board regarding what the holding company expects to be delivered by the board charged with the management of its subsidiary and what is the policy advised to the BFC board regarding players contracts length.

Just asking and if it's confidential then of course I won't understand.....:wave:
 

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abee said:
the Bees United board has given to its BFC subsidiary board regarding what the holding company expects to be delivered by the board charged with the management of its subsidiary and what is the policy advised to the BFC board regarding players contracts length.
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markbfc said:
He looked a decent prospect in January/February so I'm hoping he can recapture it.
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so i was right all alon, i got slaughtered for telling you he was rubbish. now you all want he sent out on loan. ill accept sincere apologies.
 
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