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Bees United is a cancer

bees utd are letting brenford fc die slowly,when they took over we were 7mill in debt,but had a good young squad,a exiting young manager,and a good feeling around the club.They didnt invest into the club to clear urgent debts,they just borrowed of someone else.Now we owe 9 mill,got a very poor squad,and that after selling top players,we cant even afford 1/2 decent players on loan ,and nobody will want to put any money into the club because beesutd wont let them have a say on what it is spent on,all beesutd want is handouts and that wont happen.If ever there was hope that someone might have come in and helped bfc,it will never happen now,beesutd will just keep brentford dying slowly until nomore brentford fc
 

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They have an impossible job trying to please twaats like you anyway.

Get real.
 

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Sorry but thats a load of old tosh! We are now in the real world and to get any investment in a club thats been run down for many many years is not easy.

It's been covered here many times but the problem goes back before the Jack Dunnett (MP) days. JD and all the chairmen since then must take a share of the blame for where we are today. But and its an important but when I first came to GP in 62/3 season the Bees were still attracting gates of over 15,000 we are now down to about 5,000...draw your own conclusions.
 

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you get real what have they done in the last year f all
 

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gary4bees maybe speaking in the aftermath of yet another disappointing Saturday afternoon, but strip away those emotional tones and there is sadly a hard-to-ignore nugget of truth there. We are run by amateurs with no real grasp of the big picture. Sitting back, wringing our collective hands and saying, "yes but what CAN we do", is not the way to save this club. If BU dont have any useful ideas (no, and before you ask, I dont either), then maybe there needs to be further changes.
 

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Fan run clubs dont work. We could be the first one that does but do we want to end up in the conference finding out.
 

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gary4bees said:
bees utd are letting brenford fc die slowly,when they took over we were 7mill in debt,but had a good young squad,a exiting young manager,and a good feeling around the club.They didnt invest into the club to clear urgent debts,they just borrowed of someone else.Now we owe 9 mill,got a very poor squad,and that after selling top players,we cant even afford 1/2 decent players on loan ,and nobody will want to put any money into the club because beesutd wont let them have a say on what it is spent on,all beesutd want is handouts and that wont happen.If ever there was hope that someone might have come in and helped bfc,it will never happen now,beesutd will just keep brentford dying slowly until nomore brentford fc
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What are you doing to help the club?
 

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How do we find these wealthy business man to throw millions down the drain?

BU are keen to talk to any party willing to invest in BFC.

I certainly don`t want BFC in the hands of another businessman like Ron Noades. I can`t see a businessman not wanting some sort of control and shareholding or board power.

I think the new board is still on probation and they will be judged on our financial performance come March.
 

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Ace Face said:
How do we find these wealthy business man to throw millions down the drain?

BU are keen to talk to any party willing to invest in BFC.

I certainly don`t want BFC in the hands of another businessman like Ron Noades. I can`t see a businessman not wanting some sort of control and shareholding or board power.

I think the new board is still on probation and they will be judged on our financial performance come March.
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They will also be judged on the playing performance if we are relegated and they haven't provided the means for any manager to do any sort of job.

I also don't want another Ron Noades in charge of the club, but right now I wouldn't mind a Steve Gibson or a John Madejwski.

If a "proper" investor wants a share of the club then give it to him/her. If Bees United got off their collective arses and took note of the fact that abee has offered them the cash to take Lange's 25% stake off him they might then realise that they can get hold of 85% of the club when they only need 51% to control it. Plenty of opportunity then to cash in on people wanting to buy a slice of it to supply some funds for us to run like a football club again instead of a failed corner shop.
 

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BFC is a poorly run buissness whos to blame we all are
 

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gary4bees said:
bees utd are letting brenford fc die slowly,when they took over we were 7mill in debt,but had a good young squad,a exiting young manager,and a good feeling around the club.They didnt invest into the club to clear urgent debts,they just borrowed of someone else.Now we owe 9 mill,got a very poor squad,and that after selling top players,we cant even afford 1/2 decent players on loan ,and nobody will want to put any money into the club because beesutd wont let them have a say on what it is spent on,all beesutd want is handouts and that wont happen.If ever there was hope that someone might have come in and helped bfc,it will never happen now,beesutd will just keep brentford dying slowly until nomore brentford fc
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Why not find out the truth before spreading garbage like this, mate? I often wonder what Brentford has done to deserve the situation it is in - the I read posts like yours and I realise that it has fans like you. :(
 

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gary4bees said:
bees utd are letting brenford fc die slowly,when they took over we were 7mill in debt,but had a good young squad,a exiting young manager,and a good feeling around the club.They didnt invest into the club to clear urgent debts,they just borrowed of someone else.Now we owe 9 mill,got a very poor squad,and that after selling top players,we cant even afford 1/2 decent players on loan ,and nobody will want to put any money into the club because beesutd wont let them have a say on what it is spent on,all beesutd want is handouts and that wont happen.If ever there was hope that someone might have come in and helped bfc,it will never happen now,beesutd will just keep brentford dying slowly until nomore brentford fc
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Bees United does not, repeat not, have the ability to say to someone "Yes, please - we'll have a cheque and then you can say what it is spent on at the Club". The day to day running of the Club is down to Keith Dickens and the other Club decisions are down to the BFC Board. There are BU nominees on the BFC Board but for reasons I cannot fathom, BU does not have the majority vote on the Board even though they are the majority shareholder.

We have been told quite categorically by Brian Burgess that if we, the BU Board, attempted to interfere in the way BFC is run, the BFC Board would not wear it.

No money has been invested in the Club because we haven't got any. It's not because people are beating a path to BU's door with sacks of used fivers and being told to go away. Some people have commented to me that they will never invest in BU as long as it is run the way it is so they clearly have issues with the BU leadership.

I don't pretend that we have made a huge difference since we took over the Club but please don't act as though the problems we took on were all going to be solved in five minutes and then we could start a Club investment programme.

I do not say this as a way of ducking my share of the responsibility for the Club's predicament but if you really want to look for someone to blame, try with a former majority shareholder (I am forbidden as a BU Board member to name him) nd John Herting. The former turned us from a poor but solvent club to a mountain of debt with a football team attached to it. The latter has been on the Board for donkey's years and has watched it slowly asset stripped by Webb and several others who followed on from him. What is the point of having people on the Board of Directors if they have drifted into a permanent vegetative state and are doing nothing about a worsening situation?
 

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Edmundo said:
Why not find out the truth before spreading garbage like this, mate? I often wonder what Brentford has done to deserve the situation it is in - the I read posts like yours and I realise that it has fans like you. :(
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what is the truth MATE,all i can see is that a few do-gooders who probably get-off by saying that they are on the board of a football club,dont know what they are doing(reason they asked mr dyke to step in),and the person who is there mentor dosnt really give a sh*te what really happens to bfc.As for what i do,if you total up what me and a few thousand others have put into this club,its a lot more than some of the ***** in beesutd have.And the problem is as long as people like me continue then there will aways be someone else,trying to take it away.:nono: sorry the hand signal is the right one,but you know what i mean
 

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Nurse Betty said:
There are BU nominees on the BFC Board but for reasons I cannot fathom, BU does not have the majority vote on the Board even though they are the majority shareholder.
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What does BU intend to do to change this in it's favour young Nurse?
 

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Nurse Betty said:
Bees United does not, repeat not, have the ability to say to someone "Yes, please - we'll have a cheque and then you can say what it is spent on at the Club".
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Really, why not. BU owns 60% of the club. As the majority shareholder it can do whatever it wants to.

All this crap about BU not running the club is exactly that. Crap. IF BU does not run the club it is because it has chosen not to.
 

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JTofBFC said:
Fan run clubs dont work. We could be the first one that does but do we want to end up in the conference finding out.
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I want BU to succeed, because like communism, the idea of a supporter's revolution succeeding is a romantic one (you know, run by the fans for the fans :D ). But what do they say? Nice idea in theory, but does it work in practice? Unfortunately, I also think the grand experiment is doomed to fail.

I don't know where the money, or the saviour is coming from, but we need someone who knows about football to turn up on the doorstep of Griffin Park pretty sharpish.
 

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gary4bees said:
what is the truth MATE,all i can see is that a few do-gooders who probably get-off by saying that they are on the board of a football club,dont know what they are doing(reason they asked mr dyke to step in),and the person who is there mentor dosnt really give a sh*te what really happens to bfc.As for what i do,if you total up what me and a few thousand others have put into this club,its a lot more than some of the ***** in beesutd have.And the problem is as long as people like me continue then there will aways be someone else,trying to take it away.:nono: sorry the hand signal is the right one,but you know what i mean
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The truth is that Ron Noades screwed this club over, it's on it's knees and Bees United is trying to keep it going for ungrateful ***** to blame the wrong people.
 

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FFS, this issue will divide the fans if we're not careful. We're all Brentford fans, and we must stick together.

As Sweepy says, it wasn't BU that got us into this predicament and there is simply too much to do at the club to save us. The task ahead is too great. BU cannot win. We must remain united as fans and try to re-build whatever is left of our club. If we are divided, the task will be much greater. If we are united, we stand a chance of surviving.
 

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Plenty of opportunity then to cash in on people wanting to buy a slice of it to supply some funds for us to run like a football club again instead of a failed corner shop.[/QUOTE]

IF bees supporters could buy a slice of the club,there would be hundreds willing to do so,but we cant,and people are getting peed off throwing money away.Just say the 12 of us wanted to put in £5000 each,which we said we would all do now,what would we get for our investment.A F-IN THANKYOU CARD
 

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gary4bees said:
what is the truth MATE,all i can see is that a few do-gooders who probably get-off by saying that they are on the board of a football club,dont know what they are doing(reason they asked mr dyke to step in),and the person who is there mentor dosnt really give a sh*te what really happens to bfc.As for what i do,if you total up what me and a few thousand others have put into this club,its a lot more than some of the ***** in beesutd have.And the problem is as long as people like me continue then there will aways be someone else,trying to take it away.:nono: sorry the hand signal is the right one,but you know what i mean
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I agree with you that there are people on the BFC Board who I don't think give a toss about the future of the Club and probably do get off on saying they are a director of a football club. Presumably, they say that to people who know nothing about football because there must be guffaws of laughter once people realise it is Brentford. Maybe 16 year old girls are more impressionable than I thought.

Not everyone on the BFC Board is a do-gooder who isn't contributing anything. Several of them are nominees from companies or individuals who put money into BU/BFC. People on the BU Board, such as me, are nearer to the skint variety of fan who doesn't have any money to invest.

I don't agree with a lot of what happens on the BU Board. I was one of it's biggest critics before I got elected on to it and I still don't think it works anywhere near as well as it should.

I do understand how you feel, believe me. I hope that now Banana and markbfc and northantsbee are on the Board we can begin to effect some change. But then I guess we've all heard that before, haven't we?
 

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Edmundo said:
The truth is that Ron Noades screwed this club over, it's on it's knees and Bees United is trying to keep it going for ungrateful ***** to blame the wrong people.
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Ah yes, but certain BU members strategy of appeasement hardly helped did it? "He's got something I want...", "Be nice to Ron and he'll be nice to us...", etc.

There was a time when BU had a lot more ammunition and could've used it to fend off some of the level of debt BFC is now saddled with but they chose not to. Those people, who knew better than anyone else, have of course been proved right by the £9m debt we're now lumbered with.

Anyway, it's Mr Dickins' job to reduce the level of debt, not BU's.
 

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gary4bees said:
Plenty of opportunity then to cash in on people wanting to buy a slice of it to supply some funds for us to run like a football club again instead of a failed corner shop.
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IF bees supporters could buy a slice of the club,there would be hundreds willing to do so,but we cant,and people are getting peed off throwing money away.Just say the 12 of us wanted to put in £5000 each,which we said we would all do now,what would we get for our investment.A F-IN THANKYOU CARD[/QUOTE]


Thats the issue at the moment - if you wish to invest money of whatever size, then you will expect to get it back some time in the future, possibly with a return on top.
People have invested in Bees United to enable them to take on the major shareholding of the club.
But they , along with the other loans to the club have to be paid back at sometime which then means Bees United has to ensure that there is enough money to repay when needed back.
On top of this there is the issue of interest being paid to cover some of the loans.

The reality is that the debt of has been allowed to grow under previous owners and not controlled before this season by Bees United Directors at the club.
This season is the first season that there was an element of control on setting the budget by the BFC Board to attempt to stop the debt growing.

The choice is quite clear, supporters owned club that attempts to stop the club going bust by making tough decisions, or allow someone else to play with the club and gamble with its future again.

Bring on the supporter that can clear the debt but doesnt want his money back.
 

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Russell said:
Anyway, it's Mr Dickins' job to reduce the level of debt, not BU's.
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It is Mr Dickin's job to manage the BFC Budget year on year to stop future losses - it is BU's job to reduce the debt.
 

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I can accept BU making mistakes because at the end of the day a number of them are amateurs. What I cannot accept is the lies and half-truths we have been given.

There has been practically no admission of cock-ups, no humility and no sense of accountability. I for one feel massively let down by them. BFC may well have been a dead duck when BU got involved but I am certain that history will not look kindly on what has happened when BU supposedly had a say in how the club was run.
 

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OK,1st year too try and clear the debts.Lets sell our best players,offer very little funds to replace them,bring in any manager who will take a small wage,and budget at 6200 fans attending every home game.Well that was a mistake from the start,so we are going to be in more debt next year.
 

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eghambee said:
The choice is quite clear, supporters owned club that attempts to stop the club going bust by making tough decisions, or allow someone else to play with the club and gamble with its future again.
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Except that this choice is a mirage - there isn't someone waiting in the wings about to pour money into BFC if only BU would go away.
 

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eghambee said:
The choice is quite clear, supporters owned club that attempts to stop the club going bust by making tough decisions, or allow someone else to play with the club and gamble with its future again.
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There have been chairmen of clubs in the past that run very tight ships and make small clubs "work".

Rupert Lowe for example. Southampton fans hated him because he wouldn't gamble with the clubs future (and their fans think they're a "big club" ... although they've punched above their weight for years). Plus he was piss poor at appointing managers.

But would sooner have Lowe than Dyke any day.
 

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gary4bees said:
OK,1st year too try and clear the debts.Lets sell our best players,offer very little funds to replace them,bring in any manager who will take a small wage,and budget at 6200 fans attending every home game.Well that was a mistake from the start,so we are going to be in more debt next year.
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The issue of average attendance is a contentious one certainly. However, if the club had budgetted at a lower figure, then even less would have been available to the manager than he has got now.
The selling of players was in no way to clear debt, most of it was plug the gap in the budget.
 

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Calne Bee said:
There have been chairmen of clubs in the past that run very tight ships and make small clubs "work".

Rupert Lowe for example. Southampton fans hated him because he wouldn't gamble with the clubs future (and their fans think they're a "big club" ... although they've punched above their weight for years). Plus he was piss poor at appointing managers.

But would sooner have Lowe than Dyke any day.
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But the question that goes with this is there a Lowe type character out there that wants to run the club?
We havent seen one come forward, so we are where we are.

Lowe got Southampton into a new stadium that enabled more flexibility in revenue streams - where would he have been if they were still at the Dell - i guess the same place we are.
 

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Nurse Betty said:
We have been told quite categorically by Brian Burgess that if we, the BU Board, attempted to interfere in the way BFC is run, the BFC Board would not wear it.
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Well that is a quite astonishing statement.

If that is what Burgess has said then he needs to be removed as BU chairman before he inflicts any further damage. The correct response from Burgess should of course have been :-

"If we (the BU board) don't like what is going on then we shall immediately vote on sufficient further nominees to give us the voting majority on the BFC board and get things done the way we Bees United (the owners and representatives of our members and the whole fan base) want".

As a supplementary comment I would say that I would have reasonably assumed that the first thing that Greg Dyke as Chairman-elect would have asked Bees United before he even accepted the job was:-

"What is the BFC board expected to deliver on behalf of the owners Bees United"

In response he would have been handed details of the Bees United expectations and requirements. Did this happen or did it not. If it did not then how in the name of God can Dyke be sounding off about a Five Year Plan if the owners have had no part and no say in the detail of this Plan.

If Dyke is playing silly buggers and saying "I know best and if Bees United pisses in my soup or gets up my nose then I'm off" then we are in a far worse state that even I anticipated.

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Sorry are we a supporters run club? since when? did someone forget to tell the board:wave:
 

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gary4bees said:
OK,1st year too try and clear the debts.Lets sell our best players,offer very little funds to replace them,bring in any manager who will take a small wage,and budget at 6200 fans attending every home game.Well that was a mistake from the start,so we are going to be in more debt next year.
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One of my arguements, but then I got sarcastic and rude replys by people on this board that think they know better. I get no delight from saying this, and contrary to some suggestions that I hoped we would have a sh*t season. Some of these guys at one time had my respect, I was even told to **** off down the rd to Fulham. I only hope all of you Don't get told the same thing.
 

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Edmundo said:
The truth is that Ron Noades screwed this club over, it's on it's knees and Bees United is trying to keep it going for ungrateful ***** to blame the wrong people.
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Very true, but of course Bee's United cant say that. I have the greatest respect for anybody who is willing to put the time and effort in, but to have put all off that in and still not be in control highlights the real problem. With the best will in the world people are coming from various walks of life to try and drive forward a business that they are unfortunately not always qualified to do.

Airfix have just been saved by Hornby, specialists in the area, not a bunch of fanatical model makers.

There is no point slating the fans who question Bee's United, these are the people who are paying their money week in week out. They are not necessarily going to put extra time or money in, but are still the life blood of the club. If Bee's United are going to show they have the metal to see the job through they need to be listening to this sort of criticism, because like it or not it stems from their failings. Tough I know, but thats running a football club.

Unless a property deal can be done asap, Bee's United need to face the prospect of more of the same. The unified spirit unfortunately may never come until the worst as has happend and we become AFC Brentford.
 

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havelockbee said:
There is no point slating the fans who question Bee's United, these are the people who are paying their money week in week out. They are not necessarily going to put extra time or money in, but are still the life blood of the club. If Bee's United are going to show they have the metal to see the job through they need to be listening to this sort of criticism, because like it or not it stems from their failings. Tough I know, but thats running a football club.
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I wouldn't disagree. But calling Bees United a cancer isn't "questioning" Bees United, is it? It's unjustified abuse that will only serve to put off people who might be willing and able to help in some way.
 

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I suggest we just pay our standing order and let the people who know what there doing get on with it.
 

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BU does not have the majority vote on the Board even though they are the majority shareholder.

We have been told quite categorically by Brian Burgess that if we, the BU Board, attempted to interfere in the way BFC is run, the BFC Board would not wear it.
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...............I also find it strange (almost beyond parody) that BU does not have a majority on the BFC Board......is that because the people on the BFC Board are 'football people' and don't want ' interfering do-gooding busybodies' upsetting their quiet existence, perhaps.....?

.....when Brian Burgess made that categorical comment,which 'hat' was he wearing at the time......that of Chairman of BU, or that of Deputy Chairman of BFC...?
 
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This may be an emotional response for which i make no apology.

How DARE anyone tell me i dont care, or that I am a do-gooder that wants to say 'oooo look at me'. I may not be able to take on the world but I work my arse off trying to help my club stay afloat.

I may not be a multi millionaire (if i was our debt would be reduced), I may not be a top notch business person. I might not even be a great deal of use in this whole mess, but i cannot and will not let my club die without fighting all the way.

I more than fully agree that BU needs to pull it socks up in many ways and the best way to improve what BU are doing is to take on board both criticism and praise. BU need to interact to a far greater level with other fans. I accept that not everyone will buy into the concept of a Supporters run Club, not everyone will like it, not everyone is particulalry bothered they just want to see a game of footie on a Saturday that is fair enough.

However please dont ever tell me i dont care.:nono: :nono: :( :(
 

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The people you have accused of being a cancer to the club are the very same that have fought tooth and nail to get control away from the man who could prove to be the real terminal cancer to Brentford FC.

There are many, many people who disagree with the approach taken to wrest control from the previous owner but you have to understand that these people, in the main, have our Club at heart.

The problem we face is whether we will be about as a professional football club next season and thereafter and if you think true Bees fans are a threat to that then what are you doing about it gary4bees?
 

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Rod, I'm surprised at you. You know damn well that if the BU Board convened an emergency meeting tomorrow and demanded Leroy's immediate dismissal, the BFC Board would tell us to take a funny run.

They run the Club at this level, not BU.
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but i cannot and will not let my club die without fighting all the way.
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And per nurse betty, a supporters run club (trust) has no influence on how the club is run and managed.

The supporters trust doesn't get involved with club finances (low attendance because of a sh*te manager) ????

I appreciate the time and hard work you all give though northantsbee :sorted:

It's just by the sounds of it, the things that really matter are out of your control.

But people shouldn't forget that the BU board give their time for nothing .... respect.
 
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northantsbee said:
I accept that not everyone will buy into the concept of a Supporters run Club, not everyone will like it, not everyone is particulalry bothered they just want to see a game of footie on a Saturday that is fair enough.
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Natashki, help me out here and explain just how BFC is a supporters run club. We have been told this evening by Nurse Betty (your colleague on the BU board) that Brian Burgess has informed the BU board that if it attempts to interfere (or presumably criticise and comment) in any way with the running of BFC then the BFC board won't stand for it. Do you agree that this alleged rejection of any influence by Bees United is the present attitude and policy of the BFC board???

BFC is owned by Bees United agreed but BU is an organization which I decided last February was always destined to be the personal plaything of Brian Burgess. The Bees United board has no influence at all and exists just to rubber stamp whatever Burgess wants and to give for himself and Joe Bourke the cosmetic appearance of democracy.

Now you can tell me that I'm wrong.
 

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Edmundo said:
I wouldn't disagree. But calling Bees United a cancer isn't "questioning" Bees United, is it? It's unjustified abuse that will only serve to put off people who might be willing and able to help in some way.
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Your right, unfortunately the choice of words detracts from the argument he was trying to get across.
 

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Sweepy said:
I want BU to succeed, because like communism, the idea of a supporter's revolution succeeding is a romantic one (you know, run by the fans for the fans :D ). But what do they say? Nice idea in theory, but does it work in practice? Unfortunately, I also think the grand experiment is doomed to fail.

I don't know where the money, or the saviour is coming from, but we need someone who knows about football to turn up on the doorstep of Griffin Park pretty sharpish.
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Is mandaric still waiting for an answer from leicester?
 

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abee said:
Well that is a quite astonishing statement.

If that is what Burgess has said then he needs to be removed as BU chairman before he inflicts any further damage. The correct response from Burgess should of course have been :-

"If we (the BU board) don't like what is going on then we shall immediately vote on sufficient further nominees to give us the voting majority on the BFC board and get things done the way we Bees United (the owners and representatives of our members and the whole fan base) want".

As a supplementary comment I would say that I would have reasonably assumed that the first thing that Greg Dyke as Chairman-elect would have asked Bees United before he even accepted the job was:-

"What is the BFC board expected to deliver on behalf of the owners Bees United"

In response he would have been handed details of the Bees United expectations and requirements. Did this happen or did it not. If it did not then how in the name of God can Dyke be sounding off about a Five Year Plan if the owners have had no part and no say in the detail of this Plan.

If Dyke is playing silly buggers and saying "I know best and if Bees United pisses in my soup or gets up my nose then I'm off" then we are in a far worse state that even I anticipated.

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Astonishing? Tell me about it! How do you think I felt when I asked what Joe Bourke and Brian Burgess would do if the whole BU Board voted unanimously for Andy Finch's removal as CEO and I offered them three alternatives - would they canvass support amongst other members to make sure the vote was carried or tell the BFC Board that's what the BU Board wanted and insist on it or give the BFC Board 'feedback' to use Brian's phrase? Guess which one they said they'd use? Yep - feedback.

I distinctly remember Brian saying that the only time they would tell the BFC Board something was if they came up with an idea of selling GP with no ground to go to (he didn't mean that he seriously thought they would, he was simply illustrating his point).

The message has been quite clear in the year I have been on the Board: despite being the majority shareholder, the BFC Board - including the Chair - will brook no 'interference' from the BU Board. Presumably polite suggestions are ok? Further, if we attempted as a Board to have greater influence in the running of BFC, we would be deemed 'shadow' directors and this is illegal.

Quite what the point is of having a Board on the holding company whose subsidiary is slowly being run into the ground and then not allowing them input to the running of the organisation beyond 'feedback' is beyond my comprehension.

I am not saying the BU Board should be able to second guess everything the BFC Board decides - we wouldn't have the time and you can't run a company like that. But for pity's sake - what is BU for then? Why do we have a Board? It had to exist as the vehicle for buying the majority shareholding but what is it for now?
 

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abee said:
Natashki, help me out here and explain just how BFC is a supporters run club. We have been told this evening by Nurse Betty (your colleague on the BU board) that Brian Burgess has informed the BU board that if it attempts to interfere (or presumably criticise and comment) in any way with the running of BFC then the BFC board won't stand for it. Do you agree that this alleged rejection of any influence by Bees United is the present attitude and policy of the BFC board???

BFC is owned by Bees United agreed but BU is an organization which I decided last February was always destined to be the personal plaything of Brian Burgess. The Bees United board has no influence at all and exists just to rubber stamp whatever Burgess wants and to give for himself and Joe Bourke the cosmetic appearance of democracy.

Now you can tell me that I'm wrong.
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I am not telling anyone that they are right or wrong, except in the instance of suggesting that i am a do-gooder that doesnt care. That is wrong.

I wouldnt rubber stamp anything if i didnt think it was right irrelevant of anybody elses opinion on the matter. I cant say that i have been categorically told that BU have no influence with the BFC board or policy and have not yet been party to any major decision where influence may be required. It would appear to me in these early days of my tenure that there is little influence on club goings on decided at BU Board meetings.

As for supporter run that is certainly not apparent and i should have said supporter owed (majprity shareholding). No excuse, but i am poorly forgive me.
 

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Nurse Betty said:
I am not saying the BU Board should be able to second guess everything the BFC Board decides - we wouldn't have the time and you can't run a company like that. But for pity's sake - what is BU for then? Why do we have a Board? It had to exist as the vehicle for buying the majority shareholding but what is it for now?
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Well for myself I would rather that Bees United assumed a majority next week on the BFC board (gasps of horror from shaggy) and if we are going down in flames then at least let it be the owners that are responsible........not an unelected board with a chairman who either doesn't have the time or the ability to get this sinking ship turned around.
 

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northantsbee said:
I am not telling anyone that they are right or wrong, except in the instance of suggesting that i am a do-gooder that doesnt care. That is wrong.

I wouldnt rubber stamp anything if i didnt think it was right irrelevant of anybody elses opinion on the matter. I cant say that i have been categorically told that BU have no influence with the BFC board or policy and have not yet been party to any major decision where influence may be required. It would appear to me in these early days of my tenure that there is little influence on club goings on decided at BU Board meetings.

As for supporter run that is certainly not apparent and i should have said supporter owed (majprity shareholding). No excuse, but i am poorly forgive me.
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Natashki........nobody (I hope) has any issues with you and Nurse Betty.....indeed if I had anything to do with it there would be at least one woman on the BFC board.........my own experiences in business have generally been that if you want some common sense inputted then ask a woman and if you want a twenty minute ****ing ego trip then ask a man who doesn't know his limitations.

I was going to say that if as you state "there is little influence on club goings on at BU board meetings" then what is the use of pitching up. However now that I know you are poorly I won't......... so I'll just wish you and BFC a speedy recovery.:wave:
 
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