Stewarding At BFC - (plus moribee's latest whinge about smoking)

Should moribee be permitted to ignore the smoking law?

  • Yes - it is "tradition" to have 3 or 4 puffs on a roll-up at half-time by anyone that wants to

    Votes: 55 34.6%

  • No - moribee should accept that smoking is banned - "end of"

    Votes: 104 65.4%
  • Total voters
    159
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Stewarding At BFC - (plus moribee's latest whinge about smoking)

Following a number of stewarding related issues last season, BIAS, along with Bees United (David Hawes), Jon Gosling (Supporter Director) and Keith Dickens (BFC MD) met last month to discuss stewarding at the club, how it could be improved, and agree a process by which any issues can be dealt with. At the meeting, Keith shared with us a three pronged approach that the club has been developing:

- An increase in the number of BFC employed stewards and reduction of the number of agency from what is close to 50% down to somewhere like 25%. This will both reduce costs and help to improve the overall standard of stewarding. Having more BFC employed Stewards will allow better training, developing stewards with better knowledge of the ground and the overall ethos of the club.

- Encourage the stewards, through training, improved briefing and leadership (from the new Stadium Manager) to steward to the spirit of the club not the letter of the rules. The new, BFC employed, stewards will report to A Hill's replacement who will be responsible for their leadership and overall performance. Advice on training and development is being sought from local clubs that will help both spread the cost burden but also ensure the best training is available.

- Develop a system that will allow people to commend good stewarding, and also report problems. In a similar vein to the Back the Bees txt number, the club want to have a txt system that is available during matchdays that will allow the fans to report both good, and bad, examples of stewarding. It is hoped that this will be developed to allow a broader range of matchday interaction later on.

BIAS welcomes these initiatives and there was a strong consensus that there were additional elements to stewarding that can be taken into account:

- There needs to be a clear escalation process for the stewards to deal with issues on matchdays.
- Dependent upon budget available, agency stewards could be buddied with BFC stewards so that they will always have someone close to them who will know the ground
- Focus in stewards briefing and training that they are there to serve BFC's customers and not just act as police/traffic wardens.(See above re management by the spirit of Brentford rather than rules and regulations).
- BIAS to be advised of any stewarding complaints, and the complainant will be offered the chance to have BIAS representation at any investigation

With regards to the smoking ban, the club have made it clear that this is something that has come down from the Football League regarding matchdays and there is little room to maneuver within "no smoking within the confines of the stadium" given Griffin Park's tight location and ground design. On matchday there will be no smoking allowed anywhere inside the perimeter. This will be applied to everyone; staff, directors and hospitality patrons alike, and no pass outs will be allowed. BFC have taken the advice of the Police, Hounslow Council and the local Residents' Association on this matter. On non matchday events, they may provide a smoking area in the Braemar forecourt although this has not be decided yet. Following the Club's communication via website and Programme at the end of last season, a reminder will be communicated closer to the start of the new season.

The club will be providing specific briefings to stewards in dealing with the introduction of the ban, and BIAS would urge supporters not to confront or challenge stewards who will only be doing the job asked of them.

BIAS will be studying closely the performance of the stewards in the coming season, and would ask anyone who has issues with stewarding to contact both the club and BIAS so that any problems can be followed up on. We trust that each of us will play our part in (sensitively) guiding any likely or accidental offenders to keep Griffin Park smoke free.

http://www.bias.org.uk/news_story.php?id=183_
 

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Did anyone explain what the "Brentford Spirit" is?
 

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Luton Bee said:
I always assumed it was Gin
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I knew that was coming but I still did a workLOL and got stared at :D

Thanks for this info from BIAS, nice to see changes are very much afoot at the club, outsourcing things that involve direct customer liaison never results in a satisfactory experience so this is all good news. Will the club be publishing, or has it been advised to publish, its smoking policy on the OS?
 

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VTG said:
Thanks for this info from BIAS, nice to see changes are very much afoot at the club, outsourcing things that involve direct customer liaison never results in a satisfactory experience so this is all good news. Will the club be publishing, or has it been advised to publish, its smoking policy on the OS?
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I'm not sure whether the club is looking for a sponsor for the Brentford Spirit...

KD said that prior to the first home friendly (this Saturday) they were planning to put a reminder on the O/S re the smoking ban, and also before the first game of the season.
 

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Can BFC employ non English speakers please?It wont be the same otherwise.
Seriously,the club are going to " employ " stewards directly rather than agency staff?.Why not go back to the old days and have Bees supporters involved as stewards?They'd care more,undertand the club and its potential problems.The problem we have is that BFC may employ the cheapest they can find,what ever their back ground.
 

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BIAS said:
- An increase in the number of BFC employed stewards and reduction of the number of agency from what is close to 50% down to somewhere like 25%
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that would be the ghost stewards someone had order that were meant to be at the games:fishing:
 

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Well done BIAS for moving on this...one of the disturbing sights at GP over the last couple of years has been the rise of stewarding more akin to the Gestapo.
 

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Afraid this a huge cop out so full of holes it wouldnt hold mud let alone water.
This used to be a family club not some PC cess pit,at end of day its going to
footie isnt it. I will be watching closely all comings and goings for those who smoke. They are fast losing me a s a supporter,next thing is standing orders when one can take a crap......all very sad but its killing my passion for the club and there is only one way I can go and that is to fight it each and every game.
 

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moribee said:
.....all very sad but its killing my passion for the club and there is only one way I can go and that is to fight it each and every game.
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Is that fighting the smoking ban at each and every game or something more general?
 

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moribee said:
Afraid this a huge cop out so full of holes it wouldnt hold mud let alone water.
This used to be a family club not some PC cess pit,at end of day its going to
footie isnt it. I will be watching closely all comings and goings for those who smoke. They are fast losing me a s a supporter,next thing is standing orders when one can take a crap......all very sad but its killing my passion for the club and there is only one way I can go and that is to fight it each and every game.
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What exactly are your concerns, and who have you communicated them too ?

The only way we will improve stewarding, is by taking responsibility, as fans, for our own actions....

Stewards I have experienced in the New Road in the past 2 years, are a friendly bunch and not "little hitlers", not even overly keen to enforce rules on crisp smugging, drinking and abuse of officials....
 

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moribee said:
Afraid this a huge cop out so full of holes it wouldnt hold mud let alone water.
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Which bit, specifically?
The changes to stewarding are much needed.
The smoking policy is FA policy and as stated on the OS they are trying to revive the family club status. I wouldn't want my kid (who doesn't yet exist) to have smoke blown over him/her as a captive audience for 2 hours. As far as I'm aware, only about 20% of the UK population smokes
What is it exactly that you have such a problem with, apart from the fact that you won't be able to have a cigarette for 2 hours a fortnight and hence appear to be having a hissy fit about it?
 

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moribee said:
Afraid this a huge cop out so full of holes it wouldnt hold mud let alone water.
This used to be a family club not some PC cess pit,at end of day its going to
footie isnt it. I will be watching closely all comings and goings for those who smoke. They are fast losing me a s a supporter,next thing is standing orders when one can take a crap......all very sad but its killing my passion for the club and there is only one way I can go and that is to fight it each and every game.
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What nonsense - since when has public health been a PC issue?

The majority of people nowadays don't smoke - the club is reacting to them. This club is trying to be a family club which is why they are banning smoking. I don't know anyone with children - smokers or non-smokers - who like their children being exposed to cigarette smoke and even smokers don't want them to take up the habit because they understand that it's bad for them.

It's only going without a bloody cigarette for 2 hours - surely it can't be that much of an issue?
 

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Les Beeavinu said:
It's only going without a bloody cigarette for 2 hours - surely it can't be that much of an issue?
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And it's going to be at every ground in the country so it isn't as if this is Brentford doing something unique just to upset people. It's going to be the same if you go to away games.
 

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only two hours,

I guess i wont be getting into the ground at 14:00 for something to eat and a beer then.

Oh well, us footie league clubs are a wash with cash and banning smoking in part of the Breamar road forecourt, or in a designated smoking area behind the New raod and Ealing Road stands is a sure fire winner way to attract new fans whoes kids might otherwise see a cigerette.

Its not as if the watching the football is stressful is it.

I do wonder though if the 20% of people who do smoke stopped coming if the remaining 80% of supporters would attend if theyhad to pay 20% more to get it. Peeps are already monaing at £18 quid to stand -What would they do if its £21.60?

What will be next - the banning of unhealthy foods or those that may offend others. The banning of alcholic drinks..... Can i have a rivita with low fat cream cheese and a Kaliber please, ooh and a luke warm coffee, as its a bit crowded and i dont want to scold anybody if I spill it
 

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'Ayes B said:
What will be next - the banning of unhealthy foods or those that may offend others. The banning of alcholic drinks..... Can i have a rivita with low fat cream cheese and a Kaliber please, ooh and a luke warm coffee, as its a bit crowded and i dont want to scold anybody if I spill it
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I guess the issue is that if you have a few drinks, you don't then go and piss in everyone else's faces to make sure they share some of the damage you're doing to yourself. :shrug:

Personally, I don't have an issue with people smoking but I can understand why others do and why clubs like Brentford might want to ban it...
 

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'Ayes B said:
What will be next - the banning of unhealthy foods or those that may offend others. The banning of alcholic drinks..... Can i have a rivita with low fat cream cheese and a Kaliber please, ooh and a luke warm coffee, as its a bit crowded and i dont want to scold anybody if I spill it
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No. You're being silly now.
 

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As a non smoker, this is the best thing...EVER!! :)

Why should we have to breath in someone's bad habit ?:nono:

Its only for 2 hours or so.Christ what do you do when you fly abroad? :confused:

Smoking is a habit - it is not necessary to live - like food and water - it is a destructive foul smelling habit and to me people who smoke in other people's company are downright rude and they inturn end up stinking like a dirty old ashtray :eek:

If you have a bad habit do it in your own home and not subject others to it

God rest old Roy Castle's trumpet playing sole, killed by others smoke :nono:
 

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Most of you have totally missed the point,but then most people on here cant see whats beyond their noses or what they read in ZOG press. aAs I said it used to be a family club and all supporters were wanted. I cant handle all this PC crap and it will be one rule for some and different for others,that is where my issue is.
Further,as far as I am concerned a season ticket is a pass out in its own right and there is no logical reason to deny that and the club could have used their own initiative in how to deal with the situation without alienating someones estimate of 20%. They have shown a total disregard to a minoritys wishes thereby discriminating against someone who has supported the club for a long long time. If they dont care,and it is evident they dont (exempting JG),why should I care. Anyway as some of you know from the past I dont believe in the majority dictating to the minority,but that is a deep issue and most of you would shoot yourself in the foot if you tried to debate it. So,I am deeply sad about my club,sad they seem to have chosen an issue to turn their back on some supporters. There is no logical argument against my and maybe some others wishes as my season ticket should grant me the same rights of exit and entry as a staff pass which will be used without doubt to overcome the ban Sic Semper Tyrannis
 

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What do I do when I fly abroad????? I actually fly very little now,maybe a day trip to Paris obce or twice a year,but a flawed argument as flying is not the aim,enjoying the holiday is I presume,the same as getting to GP is not a pleasure at times but enjoyiong a working mans sport is. If anyone seriously thinks a load of 5 year olds are going to want to come to GP cos of a smoking ban,well get real. Best you all keep your kids indoors,or better still take them of on anti war marches
 

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moribee said:
Most of you have totally missed the point,but then most people on here cant see whats beyond their noses or what they read in ZOG press.
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I agree. Everyone on the the GPG simply believes what the club tells them and there is no independent, rational voice.

The GPG is full of lemmings.

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It seems that some people believe that BFC has unilaterally banned smoking, solely to persecute Bees fans; where have you been? What are you smoking?

On July 1st 2007, England introduced a new law to make virtually all enclosed public places and workplaces in England smokefree.

The Football League announced in January that it will go smokefree in all of its grounds from the start of the season, August 2007.

I have, for more years that I care to remember, almost chain-smoked through Bees matches, home and away. Last season probably more than most! A number of grounds had already banned smoking - Hartlepool, Bournemouth and the new Doncaster stadium spring to mind. It will also stop the exotic leaves fragrance that often wafts across the stands.

While it will be a novel experience to attend GP and not smoke, it's the way of the world, my friend.
 

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Again you miss the point....as a season ticket holder that is my pass in and out,if the club want to go down this road then they lose me....no big deal....but
if not wanted why take my money. The day I put in my application Iwas told by office staff that there had to be a pass out system for season ticket holders,they couldnt see any other way. Forget smoking for a minute,whatever the nanny state tries to enforce is always the thin end of the wedge. It seems that dropping bombs on innocent people is fine but Sat afternoon footie is now a target for a whole industry of goody goodies.
 

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Have you given them your season ticket and asked for your money back?
 

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As I havent even got the season ticket yet its a bit hard to give it back. My aim is to watch first half,have my half time smoke inside a smoke hood which I will be bringing and if I dont get ejected watch the second half. Obviously wont be entering ground until kick off time. I repeat again and again as a season ticket holder my passing in and out is not a problem anymore than it will be for staff passes,some of whom will inevitably smuggle in and out hospitality guests who in effect will be captive for 6 hours and paid a lot of money for that pleasure.
 

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Can season ticket holders get in after half time normally anyway? Does seem a bit unnecessary not helping out the smokers by allowing them a half time tab. One turnstile operator?
 

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moribee said:
Again you miss the point....as a season ticket holder that is my pass in and out,if the club want to go down this road then they lose me....no big deal....but
if not wanted why take my money. The day I put in my application Iwas told by office staff that there had to be a pass out system for season ticket holders,they couldnt see any other way. Forget smoking for a minute,whatever the nanny state tries to enforce is always the thin end of the wedge. It seems that dropping bombs on innocent people is fine but Sat afternoon footie is now a target for a whole industry of goody goodies.
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I think you are taking it to the extreme. Does this mean that you wont go out to pubs/restaurants/the cinema/on trains/planes/buses etc etc because you are not allowed to smoke? Or is it simply that the club have said that you can't smoke anywhere on the premises - that is your problem?
Why should you have "rights" as you are a season ticket holder, you are no different to the rest of us who also pay to get in and who pay BU membership or S/O's or Lifeline membership or donate to the club. Infact you get your admittance fee cheaper than those who are not sure whether they make all the games and hence pay on the gate. You should have no better treatment than anyone else. Why not have smoke outside before and after the game and choke the people waiting to get in or leaving the ground and throw your stub on the pavement for some poorly paid council worker to pick up :nono: Hallelujah for smokers and people who chew gum, they keep people in jobs as rubbish collectors :rolleyes:
(You can tell I was born and brought up in Singapore where rules were strict...you were put in prison for even having chewing gum in your possession) All this fuss just astounds me - anyone would think your blood supply was being cut off :nono:
 

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I actually dont put my cig ends on the floor and as for all the things you mention been there,seen it and done it. Dont go to pubs as drink very little now but if I did can go outside,same with restaurants,seems to be a constant overlooking of my point. Further,going footie is not going to theatre or cinema,its where ones whole week is concentrated on getting a result and holding up a belief with pride.
 

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As you said yourself,all the fuss astounds you. Brentford and going football goes back to my earliest memories,so many including pushing my Grandad in his wheelchair. People helping him light his pipe when it went out which I appreciated. Dont think you have the faintest idea of the tradition that is being destroyed here in my mind. Have been pushed out of my seat,then out of having a fag with my beer before the game in the ground,now pushed out of the ground entirely,your PC crusade against a section of support astounds me.
 

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Actualy yes I do believe I have rights as a season ticket holder,I wont make very game either as a shift worker but I put my money up front therefore giving before I receive. I think any season ticket holder has rights above pay on day punters,that is why one buys a season ticket:nono:
 

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[QUOTE='Ayes B]I do wonder though if the 20% of people who do smoke stopped coming if the remaining 80% of supporters would attend if theyhad to pay 20% more to get it. Peeps are already monaing at £18 quid to stand -What would they do if its £21.60?[/QUOTE]Flawed logic. The point is to get the club's family status back, not to alienate 20% on purpose.
To be quite frank though, and don't take this as a focussed personal attack because it isn't, if you can't wait two hours to have a cigarette in lieu of something else which you enjoy, do you not consider that to be a bit of a problem?

moribee said:
Most of you have totally missed the point,but then most people on here cant see whats beyond their noses or what they read in ZOG press.
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How terribly condescending. You don't give people much credit, do you? Heaven forbid that any of us should be intelligent enough to be able to form our own opinion.

moribee said:
Have been pushed out of my seat,then out of having a fag with my beer before the game in the ground,now pushed out of the ground entirely,your PC crusade against a section of support astounds me.
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Who's pushing you out of the ground? The only person talking about you leaving the ground is you. You talk about tradition but times have moved on. We know much more about the risks of smoking that we did when you started going to football. It's no longer glamorous, the majority see it as a dirty habit, some of them are smokers themselves. Do you own a colour television? Oh but those old black and white ones are so much more traditional. And why have a car when you can have a pony and cart?

Your season ticket is not your pass in and out, the club has already made clear that there is no pass out policy. And it's not hard to give your season ticket back if you haven't already got it, you simply call the club (I'll make it easy for you, their number is 0845 3456 442 then press option 4, unless you want to talk about tradition again in which case send a horseback messenger with a missive, or bang out a rhythm on some drums), give them your details and ask them to cancel your order. It sounds like you're making excuses not to go through with actions that you've threatened. If you feel that strongly about it and have threatened numerous times to not turn up, then don't, but don't expect every single other smoker to follow you in a public walkout and a blaze of glory, it simply won't happen.

It seems to me as if you're taking something which is an extension of UK law as a personal attack on you. It isn't.
 

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jlove said:
It will also stop the exotic leaves fragrance that often wafts across the stands.
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Another excellent bonus. It's bad enough going to music gigs and having that stink waft across, but to smell it at the football really makes you wonder how stupid people can be, to do it in a very public place.
 

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Do you know VTG you really are quite a condescending person arent you. Have not asked you to take up smoking,my season ticket is my pass out, end of,but to make the point I would really rather make it difficult for the club,it used to be a family club,this authoritarian attitude does not represent a family atmosphere.
 

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moribee said:
Do you know VTG you really are quite a condescending person arent you. Have not asked you to take up smoking,my season ticket is my pass out, end of,but to make the point I would really rather make it difficult for the club,it used to be a family club,this authoritarian attitude does not represent a family atmosphere.
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Smoking is not a family tradition it's a choice of an individual and showing their children that it's ok is not a good family value imho.
Do you go to away games on a train that takes a few hours, if so how do you cope without a fag then? :fishing:
 

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moribee said:
Do you know VTG you really are quite a condescending person arent you. Have not asked you to take up smoking,my season ticket is my pass out, end of,but to make the point I would really rather make it difficult for the club,it used to be a family club,this authoritarian attitude does not represent a family atmosphere.
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My idea of a family going to a football match is a dad taking a kid, maybe with an uncle (or, if I have to be PC, a mum will do too). Families going to football doesn't have to include the dad smoking, and the two children passive smoking...

People call it tradition because it's what used to be normal... now football matches are seen as more inviting and friendly, with better facilities, disabled access, minimal hooliganism, the lot. I think it's modernisation, f that's PC, oh well.

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I did every game in 2000/01 and yes smoked on trains,its what I am. Dont do away games now as getting swaps for home games is a full time exercise but wanted to do every game that year as hadnt done it for 30 years. There is an awful lot of things which could be mentioned a sbeing a bad influence on kids so that argument doesnt hold water especially when the even our Govmt sanctions them. People who knock tradition are those who burn books and rewrite history,know what I mean. If the club tells me eye to eye and face to face that I am no longer wanted then I will walk,until then my club wil stay on my heart with another very important person and guide in my life,but the people who run the club can go suck.
I would ask for half time smoke ins away from the crowded areas to make the point but that makes me feel arrogant and I dont like feeling that way. Anyway...all I require is 3 or 4 puffs of my roll up at half time which would then ba safely deposited back in the tin,such a dreadful crime isnt it. Whilst I am doing that there wil be people dying of aids around the world contributed to by the capitalist system under which we live.
 

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What we have now is certainly not a family club where all are welcome. Even the caterers are there to rip us off whilst the club counts the profits of the best bidder for the franchise. Football was far more family orientated in the past,and what hooliganism may I ask.
 

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I'm with most of this one, if it bothers you that much that you can't control an unsocial and potentially fatal habit for 2 hours and it's more important for you to smoke than attend "your"clubs football matches, then don't come at all. Obviously smoking matters more :wave:
 

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Firstly I recall, the smoking ban at football grounds was introduced by the football league and NOT the football club.

Having a ST does not mean you automatically have a pass out, when you go to the game you give the club a specific voucher to gain entry for tha match. If you then go out and try and gain access again - you dont have the voucher for the match in question!!!!
If it was a pass-out, this would be open to abuse and people passing their S/T back through the gate for someone else to gain entry without paying for the game!!!!!
 

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moribee said:
I did every game in 2000/01 and yes smoked on trains,its what I am. Dont do away games now as getting swaps for home games is a full time exercise but wanted to do every game that year as hadnt done it for 30 years. There is an awful lot of things which could be mentioned a sbeing a bad influence on kids so that argument doesnt hold water especially when the even our Govmt sanctions them. People who knock tradition are those who burn books and rewrite history,know what I mean.
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No, I don't know what you mean :confused: And if you check the BBC's front news page, it's talking about reducing the number of young deaths through driving, and on another page, how fast food companies are exploiting children through online adverts, and on another page, how Mars bar adverts are now banned... :idea:
If the club tells me eye to eye and face to face that I am no longer wanted then I will walk,until then my club wil stay on my heart with another very important person and guide in my life,but the people who run the club can go suck.
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The club does want you...... but to comply with government law, and with the request of well over 40,000 fans who voiced their opinion in a survey (me too), they don't want your smoking

I would ask for half time smoke ins away from the crowded areas to make the point but that makes me feel arrogant and I dont like feeling that way. Anyway...all I require is 3 or 4 puffs of my roll up at half time which would then ba safely deposited back in the tin,such a dreadful crime isnt it. Whilst I am doing that there wil be people dying of aids around the world contributed to by the capitalist system under which we live.
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People die of AIDS because the Church preach their religion in third world countries so lots of poor families use no contraception, resulting in AIDS, and huge increases in population... but that's way off topic :eek:
 

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moribee said:
People who knock tradition are those who burn books and rewrite history,know what I mean.
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Just coz something is traditional doesn't make it right. People used to put strychnine in beer; send children up chimneys; watch bear baiting; think that licking toads was a cure for disease...times change.

It's people that quote tradition or dogma that tend to do the book burning.

You smoke on trains. Do you smoke on the Underground? Do you smoke in the cinema?
 

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No smoking

moribee said:
Do you know VTG you really are quite a condescending person arent you. Have not asked you to take up smoking,my season ticket is my pass out, end of,but to make the point I would really rather make it difficult for the club,it used to be a family club,this authoritarian attitude does not represent a family atmosphere.
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No one on the GPG has asked you to stop smoking, as has been previously stated time and time again, the club are bringing in the regulation introduced by the Football League - it's called 'rules and regulations' which the majority of people adhere to.:sorted:

As far as I'm aware, Brentford still is and has been a family club. I've been going with my 'adopted Brothers and Dad' for around 35 years. Where we sit in the New Road there are Mum's and Dad's with their family, there are older sons and daughters with their Mum and Dad and there are loads of people who meet their friends once a fortnight at the match.:wave:

I'm sure some of these people used to light up the pipe, cigar and fag years ago but for their own reasons they don't any longer - for a few it will be difficult but I'm sure that most can do without a fag for around two hours a fortnight:yes:
 

Stewarding At BFC - (plus moribee's latest whinge about smoking)

moribee said:
I did every game in 2000/01 and yes smoked on trains,its what I am.
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So you smoked in a non-smoking train, because its what you are. Is that a person with no courtesy to others?
 

Stewarding At BFC - (plus moribee's latest whinge about smoking)

Dont have the ability to play a musical instrument,wish I did cos it seems to be fun when plucking strings or pushing keys. Apart from Beepositive its amazing as a psychology how some peoples minds work. I was in a Costa the other day which is upstairs in Waterstones Books. Amazingly somehow three separate Mums and baby buggys appeared with the accompanying racket. There are abot 6 or 7 coffee bars on ground level near by,but no they had to bring the screaming brats to a bookstore coffee bar,and they weent even looking at the books. Maybe that should be banned as it invaded my space and made me feel unwell,but I just walked away. Hilarious the idea of smuggling a season ticket for someone else to use,very sad thought process
 

Stewarding At BFC - (plus moribee's latest whinge about smoking)

Stewarding At BFC - (plus moribee's latest whinge about smoking)

moribee said:
Dont have the ability to play a musical instrument,wish I did cos it seems to be fun when plucking strings or pushing keys. Apart from Beepositive its amazing as a psychology how some peoples minds work. I was in a Costa the other day which is upstairs in Waterstones Books. Amazingly somehow three separate Mums and baby buggys appeared with the accompanying racket. There are abot 6 or 7 coffee bars on ground level near by,but no they had to bring the screaming brats to a bookstore coffee bar,and they weent even looking at the books. Maybe that should be banned as it invaded my space and made me feel unwell,but I just walked away. Hilarious the idea of smuggling a season ticket for someone else to use,very sad thought process
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Going to a Costa, blimey that's right away from tradition, surely you should be attending a good old fashion cafe and drinking tea?
 

Stewarding At BFC - (plus moribee's latest whinge about smoking)

moribee said:
Hilarious the idea of smuggling a season ticket for someone else to use,very sad thought process
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Read my whole post please, I wasn't suggesting it!!!!!!!

It is just perhaps a reason why a S/T is NOT and cannot be a pass out - as you seem to think it is!!!!
 
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