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I know it is early but I really want to know how we can beat Hull, Wednesday and Everton but not Leyton Orient. Its so frustrating we have a good squad but they are not firing what is going on?
 

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Sounded like a whole lot of nothing.

I'm going to defrost the fridge/freezer. :wave:
 

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As most are saying elsewhere its a midfield problem... they are so far away from the strikeforce that they offer no support. Then the strikeforce themselves are not putting chances away. Mac was knackered at the beginning of the extra time on Tuesday, and seemed lifeless in the 2nd half tonight. He may be a model professional, but is he the answer right now??? How about starting with Forster on Tuesday, along with Alexander or even Forster and Weston up front with Wood on the left..
 

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Zola for Manager
 

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only Arsenal or Man.Utd tomorrow will rescue my weekend. So so frustrating. The AS in or out threads are going to hit new highs this week.

On last years budget, with this start I would want him out, but with the massively increased budget this start is woeful. We havent even played any of the fancied teams yet !!

Brighton and Charlton to save his job for me.
 

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if were gonna get a new manager then lets do it early,as we dont wanna leave it with 5-10 games to go
 

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We didn't beat Everton at football. We drew and won on penalties.
 

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This frankly is getting beyond a joke. 4 goals in 8 league games and one win in 8, we could be bottom again tomorrow night. I really want to hear the same old lines from AS about the fact the only thing we didn't do was score, well that is the problem we don't score and there appears to be nothing done about it. I said after Saturday I wonder how many additional points we would have after the next four games, well with three to go it's nil and also nil in the goals column. I'm not bothered about the cup games we are not going to win the competitions anyway. But after Saturday's woeful performance I'm beginning to wonder about this team and/or the manager. Why was this game played tonight anyway?
 

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predictable gash from the modfather of hoof, whip round for Pardew
 

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Maybe because of our cup success teams think it's their cup final to beat us:fishing:
 

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We have a very good squad that provides us with the depth necessary to cope with a heavy schedule of games and yet we put out exactly the same side, apart from the one change we probably shouldn't have made.

We have a 'game plan' that works when we are trying to hold stronger teams, but doesn't when we are trying to break down teams that we should be beating. On top of this the chances that we do create are not getting put away by what should be one of our strongest set of strikers for years.

Scott is making strong decisions and comes across with a Ferguson/Mourinho arrogance that is all very well when you are top of the prem, but not when you are in the bottom 4 of league 1!

I want to see changes to personnel and tactics on Tuesday, the season is starting to pass us by, before we know it we will be in January in the bottom 4, rather than the top 8, which is where we should be with our budget.

Rant over...... hopefully those that went have a happier perspective on tonights events, but I doubt it!
 

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It was bound to happen, after the Everton result we were fated to fail,
bad performance against H'pool before and bad performance tonight, the lack of goals is becoming embarrasing, Alexander was a good player but he now looks like his boots are filled with lead.
 

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Mundee, I agree, what on earth is the point of having a decent squad if you aren't going to utilise them. Wood, Bean, Saunders, Cort, Forster should all have been given serious game time tonight.
 

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Only one problem and thats the manager, Lee should have started, he got his chance on Tuesday because of Hamer being unavailable due to playing in the last round for Reading, and he did everything possible to earn a start, but Scott overlooked him and played Hamer, Mcdonald played 120 minutes on Tuesday and should have been rested for Forster. The morale of the squad must be great at the moment, because it seems what ever certain players do they will never play, and however certain other players play they will never be dropped.

Scott Out now, we proved on Tuesday night what a good side we are.
 

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Everton was a fantastic result for this club but lets face it, it has only papered over the cracks.

We can not score goals and goals win games.

Why the hell we have given a 36 year old forster a 2 year contract only to give him 2 minutes a week is getting to be very irritating. If we are looking for someone to play a few minutes here or there I would rather we stuck a junior on the bench to be honest.

As soon as we went 1.0 down it was game over as far as i was concerned.

The best we can hope for is a good patch somewhere in the season to take us to midtable and hopefully try to emulate last seasons finish. Such a shame as all the talk was about play offs and higher budgets etc but we are just a very average side with no firepower.
 

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If it wasn't for the cup run i believe Scott would be in real trouble
He has not got the right formula and although we are very resiliant we just dont have the firepower to win games and make us a top 6 team.
Dont get me wrong we were excellent on tuesday but it doesn't mask previous disappointing results and performances.
 

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I think we lost the game as soon as Lee was dropped
Sent out all the wrong messages to the team
Explain to me Scott why you dropped him.
If ever a player deserved to keep his place it was him.
You make me so angry
 

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What AS needs to show us is that he's able to do something different if a game plan isn't working whether that is tactically or personnel wise. I believe people would have more respect for him if he did so. Bringing subs on with 5 mins left is not the answer.

But it the same pattern all the time he's going to get stick. We all kno he's done wonders for the club but is he the man to take us on......that is the big question here.

The players don't look happy.............do they, where are the smiles even during warm up.

I'm very worried...........
 

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mundee4england said:
We have a very good squad that provides us with the depth necessary to cope with a heavy schedule of games and yet we put out exactly the same side, apart from the one change we probably shouldn't have made.
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I'm beginning to question this. Up front we have Alexander who couldn't get a game for Millwall, Forster who is 36 and couldn't get in a poor Charlton side, Cort who isn't fit enough. Midfield we have no ball players, only ball winners. We have some exceptional players but the balance is wrong in key areas.

Scott will not be sacked, we will improve but we will not do what we wanted this season. We need to hit the loan market hard though I reckon.
 

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RitchBee said:
What AS needs to show us is that he's able to do something different if a came plan isn't working whether that is tactically or personnel wise. I believe people would have more respect for him if he did so. Bringing subs on wth mins left is not the answer.

But it the same pattern all the he's going to get stick. We all kno he's done wonders for the club but is he the man to take us on......that is the big question here.

The players don't look happy.............do they, where are the smiles even during warm up.

I'm very worried...........
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We don't have the right players to change imo.
 

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love and mercy said:
I think we lost the game as soon as Lee was dropped
Sent out all the wrong messages to the team
Explain to me Scott why you dropped him.
If ever a player deserved to keep his place it was him.
You make me so angry
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So true
 

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My serious concern is that last season when we were going through a tough patch, some smart loan signings bailed out Scott. This season our squad is head and shoulders above that of last, which leads me to believe that Scott hasn't got much depth to his management skills.

I can't see us being that lucky in the loan market again. Also, we need a creative midfielder. KOC and Dave are not the answer. Even against Wednesday you could count the forward passes they made on a lepers right hand.
 

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maddogging said:
We havent even played any of the fancied teams yet !!

Brighton and Charlton to save his job for me.
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We beat Sheff. Wednesday who are one of the fancied teams to go up :(

AS deserves respect on his achievements for the work & success with the Bees based on last 2 seasons but at the very least 4 points from Brighton & Charlton games are needed I think to save his job....have to draw the line somewhere.
 

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Well this isn't funny anymore forget the gelling this is it,we are going to struggle.I posted when the friendlies were being played we struggled to score except at Woking,but was shot down and told wait until the season starts,well it has and were in the s###.The cup run is great but its not our bread and butter,i do believe Scotty might have taken us as far as he can,I'd look to see if M.Allen was available and see if he'd be willing to come back.
 

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Les Beeavinu said:
We don't have the right players to change imo.
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It's 3 months for the next window, he's got to get it right with the players he has, If he gets another striker in just what does that tell the players he already has?
 

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I'm standing at Leyton station thoroughly miserable after watching that inept performance. Alexander should have come off at half time for Forster and it becoming very apparent that Scott has no plan B. Credit to Orient they never gave us any time on the ball but they are a poor side. Normally I would defend Scott but after tonights game I am finding it difficult to do so. We need goals and we play the ball backwards (makes no sense). At full time there was a chorus of boo's of which I was not a part of yet I couldn't bring myself to applaud the players either. It's going to be one long season!
 
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Les Beeavinu said:
I'm beginning to question this. Up front we have Alexander who couldn't get a game for Millwall, Forster who is 36 and couldn't get in a poor Charlton side, Cort who isn't fit enough. Midfield we have no ball players, only ball winners.
We have some exceptional players but the balance is wrong in key areas.

Scott will not be sacked, we will improve but we will not do what we wanted this season. We need to hit the loan market hard though I reckon.
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What's the point in looking for loanees? The problem is tactics.Loanees wont change the system. We have enough players with the ability to play good football but they're being shackled in a one dimensional system. The only way it'll change is to change the manager because he can't see what's wrong and when it blows up it's everybody else that's at fault.
 

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brian692 said:
Well this isn't funny anymore forget the gelling this is it,we are going to struggle.I posted when the friendlies were being played we struggled to score except at Woking,but was shot down and told wait until the season starts,well it has and were in the s###.The cup run is great but its not our bread and butter,i do believe Scotty might have taken us as far as he can,I'd look to see if M.Allen was available and see if he'd be willing to come back.
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What is this obsession with wanting him back?!! :banghead:
 

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Scott will be in tinkering mode for Brighton.
 

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bees66 said:
It's 3 months for the next window, he's got to get it right with the players he has, If he gets another striker in just what does that tell the players he already has?
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He could get players in on loan but the whole point was to have a squad good enough so he didn't have to rely on that market this season except in an emergency.......he may well have too.

Which will highlight something is lacking.......
 

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RitchBee said:
He could get players in on loan but the whole point was to have a squad good enough so he didn't have to rely on that market this season except in an emergency.......he may well have too.
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At the moment, he has failed. It is not that we have bad players but a bad system and not the right type of players to change it.
 

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mhead bee said:
Everton was a fantastic result for this club but lets face it, it has only papered over the cracks.

We can not score goals and goals win games.

Why the hell we have given a 36 year old forster a 2 year contract only to give him 2 minutes a week is getting to be very irritating. If we are looking for someone to play a few minutes here or there I would rather we stuck a junior on the bench to be honest.

As soon as we went 1.0 down it was game over as far as i was concerned.

The best we can hope for is a good patch somewhere in the season to take us to midtable and hopefully try to emulate last seasons finish. Such a shame as all the talk was about play offs and higher budgets etc but we are just a very average side with no firepower.
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FECKING HATE IT , when we lose on a fri night , pisses me off all weekend, just glad i didnt go:sad:
 

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Les Beeavinu said:
At the moment, he has failed. It is not that we have bad players but a bad system and not the right type of players to change it.
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:confused:

But the system is determined by the manager and the players we have were chosen by the manager for the system he wants to play so how will getting loan players chosen by the same manager to play the same system help?

However, should AS actually admit that the problem may be him and take the constraints off the players he's got, play some of that tippy tap he hates so much and gives all the players a fair opportunity, things may change with what we've got
 

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2826 claire said:
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But the system is determined by the manager and the players we have were chosen by the manager for the system he wants to play so how will getting loan players chosen by the same manager to play the same system help?

However, should AS actually admit that the problem may be him and take the constraints off the players he's got, play some of that tippy tap he hates so much and gives all the players a fair opportunity, things may change with what we've got
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Claire 2826 for Manager!
 

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Travel Tavern Bee said:
Need an attacking CM.......its so feckin obvious its painful.
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And that won't happen until Scott has gone. He only knows how to play one way and when the opposition susses us out we're fecked.
It's not being over reactive but I really want to see the back of him, or ask the club to refund my season ticket.
 

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I watched AS on the Carling cup round up on Sky.....talks a good game.

Richard Lee must wonder what the f*ck he has to do to retain his place....what a kick in the teeth!!!

I still think there is something strange going on within the camp. I think that the AS stance on tactics, team choice and the way in which he deals with some of the players is very suspect. Something isn't right - how long ago does Tuesday feel now :(

Winning tonight was important - for AS, for team moral, for Brentford football club, and indeed for the fans. AS needs to instill the faith in the fans....cup runs can be blessing in disguise sometimes for team performance in the league as they find it a come down playing "inferior" opposition. That is where the manager comes in and he has already failed on two occasions so far......

I think AS has 5 league games left to sort the situation out, otherwise serious questions will be asked.
 

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RoyalOakBee said:
Claire 2826 for Manager!
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ROB, I am concerned about how true your post was about tonight. Most of our starting X1 are going to be even more shattered now, and do we really want to rest them in a much tougher game away at Brighton on Tuesday. Tonight should have been the night the rest of the squad shone.
 

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We seem to have alot of attack minded players Spillane, Adams, Simpson, Weston, Hudson, Saunders, Woodman and Dave to a certain extent. So why not play to these strengths and go for a 4-4-2 diamond formation with the team being:
Lee
Spillane Osborne Pim Woodman
Dave
Adams Weston
Simpson
Cort Forster

What do you reckon?
 

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Chopper said:
We seem to have alot of attack minded players Spillane, Adams, Simpson, Weston, Hudson, Saunders, Woodman and Dave to a certain extent. So why not play to these strengths and go for a 4-4-2 diamond formation with the team being:
Lee
Spillane Osborne Pim Woodman
Dave
Adams Weston
Simpson
Cort Forster

What do you reckon?
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You'll need to convince AS..........lol
 

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This is a joke one win in 8! We have a squad capable of top 8 finish! I dont care about how well we have done the in the cup, the League is the first priority! I give it two more games, and if results dont come in im sorry but AS has to go, 8 games is plenty for the team to gel! If AS cant get the best out of the players some one else needs to come in a get the team playing!
The worst start ever for Brentford!
Shocking!
 

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Chopper said:
We seem to have alot of attack minded players Spillane, Adams, Simpson, Weston, Hudson, Saunders, Woodman and Dave to a certain extent. So why not play to these strengths and go for a 4-4-2 diamond formation with the team being:
Lee
Spillane Osborne Pim Woodman
Dave
Adams Weston
Simpson
Cort Forster

What do you reckon?
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you need wide players in a team, but Forster or Saunders could do an attacking minded job IMHO
 
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