Carlisle V Brentford Match Reports

kojebee · 3 Apr 2011

Who's first back?

JimLevack · 3 Apr 2011

Not back on tube but extremely unhappy that we only played for 45mins and even unhappier that Kev o Connor not allowed to play on an occasion that would have suited him so well... Calming things down in the middle with a but of experience
Don't think nf has got much wrong so far bit he did today

Salford Bee · 3 Apr 2011

On the bus back. Legge our best player in my view followed by Bean. We lost the battle in the middle in the first half. No service to Alexander or Schlupp. Moore could do nothing about the goal. Saunders played like a nine year old at times shooting when another had a better opportunity. Weston didn't get in the game. Neilson was not fit and Kev should have started instead. Woodman didn't produce the good balls overhitting them. Reed was overwhelmed.

Niyx · 3 Apr 2011

Gutted

But .... well done to Carlisle.

Davee · 3 Apr 2011

Didn't really turn up till the second half. Fair result.
So glad Nicky played Moore, thought Kev should of had a bit longer.
Stupid paint pot, but it still hurts!
Oh well. Curry and plenty of Cobra, that's my answer!

fallacy · 3 Apr 2011

A nothing competition in the end, but we didn't turn up at all. Sam's final ball was woeful.

Why didn't Nicky go for it? KOC for Woodman final few minutes, I'm sorry but that was a complete kop out. Instead of going gung ho, we gave KOC a run out for sentimentality. Great servent for the club but would never offer anything offensively.

Didn't turn up today, MASSIVE changes needed in the summer if we wanna go forward.

Gutted right now

brighton bee · 3 Apr 2011

Agree with most of what has been written already-reed will be a good player in time but wasn't up to it today.

Saunders ran his bollox off and gave everything but sadly I think the pressure got to him-poor final balls and shooting when he should have looked for another option.

brooks · 3 Apr 2011

Great opportunity and not really fair to blame Forster. The players have only themselves to blame for the desperate performance.

Garybaldbee · 3 Apr 2011

Trying to look on the bright side, it was better than Crewe in '97......

brighton bee · 3 Apr 2011

Big changes needed in summer. Whoever is in chare needs to be ruthless

BournemouthBee · 3 Apr 2011

Thought we were overrun in midfield first half and NF has to take the blame I'm afraid. Reed was out of his depth and it showed. Bean was great at Sheff Wed and should've started.

Moore in fairness played well first half but wasn't called upon in the second. Neilson had a good game, CBs were ok but Woodman had a shocker. His crossing was awful and inaccurate.

Midfield was missing in action throughout the first half and in my opinion Saunders was too selfish when in the final third. Weston didn't look dangerous at all and their RB had him in his pocket.

Up front Alexander worked tirelessly and had a good game. Schlupp showed nice touches & good pace and was unlucky to hit the post.

This was a game we should've won :-(

mpmbee · 3 Apr 2011

Will Dave be banned for next Saturday?

imprimerie · 3 Apr 2011

brighton bee said:
Big changes needed in summer. Whoever is in chare needs to be ruthless

We definately needed the experience of Charlie Mac today. A clear out at the end of the season? No we have some very good players. They just didn't do it today .One criticism NF should have started with the more experienced Bean and Kev. The inexperience in the midfield cost us in the first half. Good luck for the rest of the season and let's hope that ..........Well you never know !!

aawharris · 3 Apr 2011

Really missed Bean in the first half, thought Reed looked poor. No real service to the front two and Saunders was a bit greedy at important times. The ref had a shocker by not booking Michalik for hacking Weston down, which would have meant he would have seen red in the 2nd half. Craig Woodman was again poor, not good enough defensively or attacking. How many crosses did he overhit by 15 yards?

brooks · 3 Apr 2011

10 years since the last final. A new manager and new shiny players and they still play like Brentford!

Downbeat Bee · 3 Apr 2011

BournemouthBee said:
Thought we were overrun in midfield first half and NF has to take the blame I'm afraid. Reed was out of his depth and it showed. Bean was great at Sheff Wed and should've started.

Moore in fairness played well first half but wasn't called upon in the second. Neilson had a good game, CBs were ok but Woodman had a shocker. His crossing was awful and inaccurate.

Midfield was missing in action throughout the first half and in my opinion Saunders was too selfish when in the final third. Weston didn't look dangerous at all and their RB had him in his pocket.

Up front Alexander worked tirelessly and had a good game. Schlupp showed nice touches & good pace and was unlucky to hit the post.

This was a game we should've won :-(

Can't agree Neilson had a good game. Thought he had a shocker. Should have started with O'Connnor and Bean.

kempy · 3 Apr 2011

Game lost in midfield, non existent. Bean tried but was the only one. Got what we deserved and Forsters inexperience showed today. Basically we never really showed up today.

bees66 · 3 Apr 2011

Forster picked the wrong team in midfield

...Weston and Saunders were poor

... there 25 kept Alexander in his pocket.. dave was unlucky after Legge dropped him with that pass.. shame tbh... crowd near me behind goal were half a sleep

big hello to Westwing

LingfieldBee · 3 Apr 2011

On way home now, we simply didn't turn up in the first half and only gave it a go second half. I thought bean was our best player. I thought too many players didn't give it there all, for god sake when are any of them going to get a chance art wembley agains!? And lots of our players will go home knowing they could have given another 30%!! It was a chance missed by the club as a whole, a win today could have encouraged a few more back to GP!
I'm really disappointed and plan to get wasted once home in sunny lingfield! We didn't get our passing game going, and thought bryne should of come on for saunders.
As for the so called 25,000 bees we were pathetic! I got a ticket in the so called singing section and was told by bees fans to sit down!! What's going there, its not as if we get to wembley every year and our fans are happy to sit on there bums rather than stand and sing!! I would have rather the 6,000 core bees there standing and singing their hearts out then 25,000 wanna be bees! It was depressing, when will we play at wembley again!? And I'm told to sit down what a joke!!

They deserved the win, we simply didn't turn up, I woke up soo optimistic and now so depressed, it wasn't just a day for me, it was more that that!!

Nada Bee · 3 Apr 2011

Why didn't Bean start?

Sam and Woodman need to learn how to cross the ball. The former also stop being so greedy. :nono:

Westons marker had him all game. Ref was super pedantic.

Didn't deserve anything.

Boooooooo.

I'm getting bored of losing now.

shouldbee · 3 Apr 2011

Didn't turn up for the first 45 mins, second half we were the better team but the same old problem was there for all to see.....we ain't got a striker !!!! Karleigh looked like he wasn't interested, thankfully Leggy had a good game. The only players who came away with any credit were Saunders, Bean and Legge. I think Nicky may have got it slighty wrong today, Grabban and should have come on earlier and Bean should have started. Couldn't understand why Nicky sent O'Connor on in midfield when we were chasing the game, surely Byrne would have been more sensible.
As someone has already said whoever takes over in the summer needs to find a few fresh faces, we won't progress with this squad........and credit to Carlisle today, over the 90 mins they were the better team.

JOABee · 3 Apr 2011

woodman, nielson and osborne made wayy too many mistakes. Reed and weston didnt get involved and dont know what was wrong with dave today.
Bean was our best player second half as he actually got stuck in and won the ball. schlupp had a great chance as did alexander but set peices were very very poor. Carlisle defende well but didnt create much, they got their goal and then dug in. Osborne should have followed his man and things may have been different with lee in goal. saunders, bean and legge played well. maybe should have played a different team, with kev and o'connor starting but its easy to say that with hindsight

overall, gutted and annoyed that those 3/4 players let the team down.

Aylesbury Bee · 3 Apr 2011

Shame we didn't play until 2nd half. Felt we bossed the 2nd half but didnt take the few chances we made. Did their keeper make a proper save? Shame the we hit the post & didnt take the one excellent chance to head in from a good cross. Was it Schlupp who missed that one? Anyway It would've been great to have won, bugger!

One moan:
Loads of so called supporters left with 5 & 10 mins to go, I really wanted an equaliser, then we win in extra time, how stupid would those so called supporters feel then.

RoyBee · 3 Apr 2011

5h1t team, 5h1t crowd, 5h1t day. Same old Brentford. Remind me not to bother next time. Seen it too many times now and I've got better things to do with my time and money.

beebopalula · 3 Apr 2011

Concur that we didn't turn up til 2nd half. In first half we didn't get our passing game together. Too many had an off day today-maybe the occasion got to us. But with a little luck we could have equalised in the second half and things could have been different. Getting used to us not turning up for the big one by now.

richy · 3 Apr 2011

The most depressing thing is that it was " same old brentford" . When it comes down to one big game we just can't deliver (and I'm speaking as someone who was at the trophy final in '87 and subsequent trophy & play-off finals).

Aargh!

Ken_Hom's_Wok · 3 Apr 2011

fallacy said:
A nothing competition in the end, but we didn't turn up at all. Sam's final ball was woeful.

Why didn't Nicky go for it? KOC for Woodman final few minutes, I'm sorry but that was a complete kop out. Instead of going gung ho, we gave KOC a run out for sentimentality. Great servent for the club but would never offer anything offensively.

As soon as kev came on you knew it was a day out rather than a game

Didn't turn up today, MASSIVE changes needed in the summer if we wanna go forward.

Gutted right now

Headbee · 3 Apr 2011

Just returned from what turned out to be another very disappointing final, where the players put in the normal tentative and poor performance that these occasions seem to engender in BFC. There was a lack of energy and creativity from the start and we were on the back foot apart from one of the very few reasonable crosses Weston made - typically no one up to meet it though. Both full backs had poor games today, and most of their crosses were wayward or overhit. Neilson was given a torrid time defensively and maybe could/should have be replaced by KOC at half time although what Kev brings creatively is also an issue. Central defence was ok but KO could have closed down the goalbound shot that was their goal. Legge was steady, but some of his distribution was poor towards the end and one really bad pass lead to Dave's sending off. We did not close down well enough today, and most of the players seemed scared to play or attempt to play the ball on the ground which was what might have given Schlupp more opportunities. We did create opportunities the rare time we ran at the opposition with the ball and it was only poor shooting or pass selection that meant we did not profit in this way. NF should have gambled on attacking more and Alexander could have made way for energy and pace in the 2nd half. A wasted opportunity to connect with the 20,000 other Bees fans who came today and will probably not see any reason to return from this display.

Davee · 3 Apr 2011

RoyBee said:
5h1t team, 5h1t crowd, 5h1t day. Same old Brentford. Remind me not to bother next time. Seen it too many times now and I've got better things to do with my time and money.

Have a beer, Songs of praise on soon.

carpkisser · 3 Apr 2011

I knew it wasn't our day when my bikes clutch let go at the top of the Harrow Road. Reckon the extra weight of the mrs on the back did it! Then limping back round the N.Circular, sounding like a bag of nails and the battery going flat. Otherwise all good.................

Brentford_till_die · 3 Apr 2011

I said if we were going to loose it will because we wont turn up, not outplayed!
No shots on target in a final says it all, just shows we lack goals.

alexcavell · 3 Apr 2011

It doesn't matter which eleven it is, why is it that Brentford sides always fail to show up at major finals? We were really poor in the first half, with the defence and midfield playing far too deep, and Diagouraga and Reed hardly touching the ball. I don't care how we play as long as we win, but the occasion got to too many of the players and it was all long ball in the first half, which hasn't been the key to our recent revival.

Things improved in the second half with the introduction of Bean, and I was very surprised that he didn't start given his recent superb performances. I was shocked that Forster persisted with Weston for so long too, as it was clear that he was having one of his bad games and couldn't even make simple passes. Credit to the team for improving as the match went on, but we still didn't show anything like enough urgency in the second half, and a lot of the players are going to wake up tomorrow morning knowing they could have done so much better out there today.

I'm just glad it wasn't a play-off final or I'd be in tears right now! Overall we've had a good day out at Wembley and the league is our priority IMO. I'm not overly disappointed that we lost, just with the collective and individual performances. I'd actually be more disappointed if we lose on Saturday, as my attitude to this competition relative to the league hasn't really changed just because we got to the final.

Moore - had a good game, excellent save from Zoko and superb kicking too

Neilson - not his best game for us, but was generally solid
Legge & Osborne - both played well; with Carlisle dominating the midfield they should have had far more chances, but our defensive duo thwarted their strikers' impact. Having said that, Leon and Karleigh played very deep in the first half which didn't help our cause
Woodman - he's had a great season but I can only assume the occasion got to him; crossing was atrocious

Saunders - my MOTM, drove us forward and really looked like he wanted it. Almost a superb free-kick, made a couple of very good interceptions and passed the ball well
Reed - largely anonymous, not helped by the fact that the ball kept going over his head, but the midfield improved a lot when Bean came on
Diagouraga - it was clear that he was told to sit deeper and let Reed (and then Bean) go forward, but he went on one of his mazy runs just before he got sent off and I'm sure he could have done this earlier in the match (Reed/Bean are intelligent enough to know to sit back if he goes forward). He didn't play poorly but was just a bit too quiet
Weston - a really poor performance and a real shame he didn't turn up for us today. We know he has good and bad days, but he just didn't get going at all today. It wasn't a lack of effort, as shown by a couple of good defensive blocks, but Grabban should have come on much earlier

Alexander - dominated by Carlisle's defence and didn't really come into the match until the last 10 minutes
Schlupp - tried hard and his pace made him our main threat; very unlucky to hit the post after he'd done really well to get in that position

Brentford_till_die · 3 Apr 2011

funny how the midfield that started was the obvious one but now seems a silly one.. Bean should have started too give us some fight and presence in midfield.
I was sat up the back behind the goal, how bloody quiet was it?!
Was great to see so many, would have prefered 5000 backed in behind the goal would have been a better atmosphere.
Funny that the Brum game earlier in the season had a more of a important cup tie feel to it

Crewe, Port Vale, Stoke, Carlisle . . Who will we be playing at Old Trafford

Still really gutted and very upset

Brentford_till_die · 3 Apr 2011

I said if we were going to loose it will because we wont turn up, not outplayed!
No shots on target in a final says it all, just shows we lack goals.
Brentford just dont do finals! Whatever the players, trophy etc we just never turn up !

gj · 3 Apr 2011

The club have missed a big chance today alot of young fans were there today who won't be back . The fans turned up but the players didn't and we as a club will pay for that performance for years to come . Sorry nicky it was your mistake with the team selection today why younever played marcus & kev from the start only youwill know . I still think Forster should get the job because he will learn from today's mistakes .

TW1Bee · 3 Apr 2011

Agree with an earlier post that we lost because we didnt turn up. Carlisle were very ordinary and not really in it second half. There was only one save made by both keepers and was Moore which unfortunately led to a half chance for their goal from the resulting corner.

Brentford_till_die · 3 Apr 2011

LingfieldBee said:
On way home now, we simply didn't turn up in the first half and only gave it a go second half. I thought bean was our best player. I thought too many players didn't give it there all, for god sake when are any of them going to get a chance art wembley agains!? And lots of our players will go home knowing they could have given another 30%!! It was a chance missed by the club as a whole, a win today could have encouraged a few more back to GP!
I'm really disappointed and plan to get wasted once home in sunny lingfield! We didn't get our passing game going, and thought bryne should of come on for saunders.
As for the so called 25,000 bees we were pathetic! I got a ticket in the so called singing section and was told by bees fans to sit down!! What's going there, its not as if we get to wembley every year and our fans are happy to sit on there bums rather than stand and sing!! I would have rather the 6,000 core bees there standing and singing their hearts out then 25,000 wanna be bees! It was depressing, when will we play at wembley again!? And I'm told to sit down what a joke!!

They deserved the win, we simply didn't turn up, I woke up soo optimistic and now so depressed, it wasn't just a day for me, it was more that that!!

Post of the day.

zuko · 3 Apr 2011

In a nutshell; hoofball sh*te, no shots on target, Weston and Nielsen were atrocious, ref was toilet.

bees66 · 3 Apr 2011

Brentford_till_die said:
No shots on target in a final says it all

what was Schlupp shot that hit the post then? surely hitting the post counts as being on target

Brentford_till_die · 3 Apr 2011

bees66 said:
what was Schlupp shot that hit the post then? surely hitting the post counts as being on target

Ok ill count that as on target.

One shot on target in a final is poor!

maddogging · 3 Apr 2011

Always easier after the event. Most would have gone with Reed over Bean, as it was it didn't work out and NF changed it at half time. KOC would not have done any better than Neilsen in my opinion. Poor game, very few chances, they took their one and we hit the post.

red_and_white · 3 Apr 2011

Brentford_till_die said:
Ok ill count that as on target.

One shot on target in a final is poor!

Hitting the post isn't hitting the target. You don't score by hitting the post therefore it's not the target.

MattBees · 3 Apr 2011

Great stadium, awful performance from a very poor Brentford team who were devoid of any quality.

If you can't get up for a game at Wembley in front of 25,000 supporters, then you shouldn't be playing professional football.

Apart from a few, I would have be ashamed to have been part of that team today.

Well done to Carlisle who were the better team.

coconino · 3 Apr 2011

We were pony.

blunstone · 3 Apr 2011

i thought saunders looked dangerous - his shots were great : another foot and all time great goals !

otherwise i agree with most of what has been written. great shame - not the blame game.
we got there and we will be learn and be back.

kendo · 3 Apr 2011

Every play off and trophy it's heartbreak for me...getting tired of this. One year the bees will turn up..

Brentford_till_die · 3 Apr 2011

red_and_white said:
Hitting the post isn't hitting the target. You don't score by hitting the post therefore it's not the target.

Hits the post and goes in?!
I wouldnt count hitting the post on target, I was just trying to get the point across that just to hit the post and no other shots on target in a final and in fact any match is not good enough

shouldbee · 3 Apr 2011

Let's not get too carried away, I suspect most of the negative posts on here are from lightweights who only turn up every 10 years. OK it was a lost opportunity today but even if we had won 5-0 we'll still only get 5000 against Swindon on Saturday. Nicky picked what he thought was the right team, anyone who watches regularly knows how well Reed has been playing. As for the RB position, Neilson is a far bettier player than O'Connor, he just had to deal with there excellent left winger and wasn't able to get forward as much as he usually does.
Let's not forget only 3 of the players on the field today, Neilson, Schlupp and Reed are Nicky's signings. I'm afraid who ever gets the job will need to find a way of off-loading a few of the players who the previous manager decided to award long contracts. Who gives a flying f**k what the once in ten years "fan" thinks ?

simonjolty · 3 Apr 2011

Disappointingly mediocre, on pitch and in stand. See you at GP next Saturday!

red_and_white · 3 Apr 2011

Brentford_till_die said:
Hits the post and goes in?!
I wouldnt count hitting the post on target, I was just trying to get the point across that just to hit the post and no other shots on target in a final and in fact any match is not good enough

Yeah. I agree. Disappointing but wounds will heal faster in this one than previous losses.

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