Álvaro Fernández (returned to parent club)

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You’re not seriously suggesting that Alvaro was faultless in their third goal today?
Where did I say he was faultless?

Clearly fault is split between the pair of them, but for me it's Norgaard who shows for it and is too casual in trotting back towards goal and gets caught in possession. And I think Norgaard's body language after conceding shows the truth.

The difference is, I'm not all over the Norgaard thread, or the Pinnock thread, or the Ajer thread, or the Jansson thread saying they're out of their depth and need to be dropped.

Alvaro made some brilliant saves today, looked a bit suspect on crosses, and shared some fault for the third goal.
 

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Exactly, there a lots of goI’d shot stoppers around, we had recently David Button, but in my opinion hopeless on crosses into the box, we need a commanding keeper who can organise his defence, maybe Lossl is the short term answer, sooner rather than later to find out hopefully.
 

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Where did I say he was faultless?

Clearly fault is split between the pair of them, but for me it's Norgaard who shows for it and is too casual in trotting back towards goal and gets caught in possession. And I think Norgaard's body language after conceding shows the truth.

The difference is, I'm not all over the Norgaard thread, or the Pinnock thread, or the Ajer thread, or the Jansson thread saying they're out of their depth and need to be dropped.

Alvaro made some brilliant saves today, looked a bit suspect on crosses, and shared some fault for the third goal.

The last three lines seem fair enough.
 

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How about giving Gunnarsson a chance...he had 2 successful loans in Norway and Denmark and did well when he had to come on for Bentley at Middlesboro...I realise that was some time ago but he has gained valuable experience in Norway. Just a thought.
 

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Some really good shot stopping today, which I think we all had a good idea he is good at. So credit where it is due for those saves, because otherwise that scoreline is must worse.

Third goal isn't good viewing, he's let CN down badly as he shouldn't be receiving the ball in that area with a man a couple of yards away from him. However, these are the kinds of mistakes that need to be made to then analysis and learn from them. Obviously I'd rather he not make these mistakes, but, 2 nil down at Liverpool vs 0 0 against Leeds on the last day is how I would rather it be.
Analyse what? Don’t pass the ball to someone who’s got a player tightly marking them in there own box?
if Fernandez needs telling that he really is out of his depth
And if that’s the analysis we’re doing I’m getting a job as an analyst 😂
 

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See what I mean.

1st goal Ajer completely lost, 2nd goal Pinnock misses header, 3rd goal Norgaard gets caught in possession – Christian's reaction tells you everything you need to know about who is at fault there.

But people are straight on at Fernández. The goalkeeper who has saved 2 one on ones today 🙄 and generally been solid.
Ive heard a lot of mention of the one on ones he saved. At least one of them was hit straight at him and came off his body. It would have probably been harder for him to get out of the way at that point!
There were some good saves otherwise

It's the lack of presence and communication with his defence for me. Every short goal kick and laboured side to side passing that ensues makes me think the other team will score, and it happened for the third today.

He also just looks so weak on crosses, and it then runs off on the others.

He's still not one for me. I'll change my mind when he manages a clean sheet or two (or at least keeps it to just one goal conceded).
 

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There is no doubting Alvaro made some decent saves today and has previously on occasions however his inability to command the box & to a lesser degree his erratic kicking are huge issues that are costing us . I would add that his reluctance to come and claim the ball is creating indecision amongst our defenders.
This was illustrated this afternoon when he didn’t take or punch a ball delivered into his 6 yd box ,flapped at it and then made a great stop with his feet .
As for the ball to Norgaard for the 3rd goal,there’s playing out from the back but that was absolute suicide !
I honestly think it’s time to give Lössl a go now .
 

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How about giving Gunnarsson a chance...he had 2 successful loans in Norway and Denmark and did well when he had to come on for Bentley at Middlesboro...I realise that was some time ago but he has gained valuable experience in Norway. Just a thought.
A decent loan spell in Norway at a mighty lower level then Premier league isn’t enough reason to throw a relative rookie with zero Prem experience into a relegation battle IMHO
 

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"Relegation battle" lol people really have lost the plot
 

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Enough is enough. The Rico header out for a corner with no info was it for me. His positioning is unique covering a quarter of the goal and not moving when the ball sails over his head. . His fear of corners means he must life in a house with only circular rooms. He’s just not good enough. Sorry.

Seriously. I can’t work out etc he’s thinking most of the time.
 

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Has to be Lossl against Man U for me. I usually am not one to question a coach's choices, but tbh I will if TF goes with Alvaro again.
 

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Sorry but I’m done with him now. 2 decent saves but the rest I would expect any keeper to deal with. The third goal was laughable.

Defence has no confidence and as a result the defence itself is playing poorly.

He’s just not good enough. Too slow and ponderous in possession. It’s killing us.
 

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Where did I say he was faultless?

Clearly fault is split between the pair of them, but for me it's Norgaard who shows for it and is too casual in trotting back towards goal and gets caught in possession. And I think Norgaard's body language after conceding shows the truth.

The difference is, I'm not all over the Norgaard thread, or the Pinnock thread, or the Ajer thread, or the Jansson thread saying they're out of their depth and need to be dropped.

Alvaro made some brilliant saves today, looked a bit suspect on crosses, and shared some fault for the third goal.
Just because Norgaard shows for it - doesn’t mean that Alvaro should play it. He has the ball and clear sight of everything in front of him.
 

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Lossl is much taller ,more commanding,more experienced ,more vocal ,sorry but he has to start ahead of Alvaro, trumps him in every way I’m afraid. Otherwise what was the genuine point of bringing him in.
 

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A decent loan spell in Norway at a mighty lower level then Premier league isn’t enough reason to throw a relative rookie with zero Prem experience into a relegation battle IMHO
Agree with what you are saying but Thomas was prepared to throw young Cox in at one point (or so it was reported) who has no league experience anywhere, not even Wimbledon, and Fernandez had zero PL experience before being thrown in to the lions den although he had La Liga experience which I accept.
 

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Agree with what you are saying but Thomas was prepared to throw young Cox in at one point (or so it was reported)
Reported where??? Because that’s bullshit. As evidenced that….erw….um… checks notes……Thomas didn’t throw young Cox in.

#justsayinike
 

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Reported where??? Because that’s bullshit. As evidenced that….erw….um… checks notes……Thomas didn’t throw young Cox in.

#justsayinike
Reported here by many.....I thought the GPG was the font of all facts....

#justsayinlike
 

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Reported here by many.....I thought the GPG was the font of all facts....

#justsayinlike
The only way that would've happened is if we had no choice but instead, the match got postponed. Thankfully Fernandez was fit for the 4-1 thumping when the match did get played. ;)
 

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I realise that and probably could have worded my post better but was trying to point out that @sonofabee said putting Gunnarsson in would be to "throw a relative rookie with zero Prem experience into a relegation battle IMHO" and I was trying to point out that the same could be applied to Fernandez before his Bees PL debut..

With hindsight I should not have mentioned Cox.

I'll get me coat !!:sneakoff::sneakoff:
 
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I realise that and probably could have worded my post better but was trying to point out that @sonofabee said putting Gunnarsson in would be to "throw a relative rookie with zero Prem experience into a relegation battle IMHO" and I was trying to point out that the same could be applied to Fernandez before his Bees PL debut..

With hindsight I should not have mentioned Cox.

I'll get me coat !!:sneakoff::sneakoff:
Fernandez was certainly a EPL rookie but he had played a season in La Liga and was a full international too
 

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Fernandez was certainly a EPL rookie but he had played a season in La Liga and was a full international too
Yes I know that...

Due to the isolation of some national team players following the positive COVID-19 test of Sergio Busquets, Spain's under-21 squad were called up for the international friendly against Lithuania on 8 June 2021. Fernández made his senior debut in the match, which ended in a 4–0 win; by doing so, he became the first Huesca player to appear for the Spain national team in the club's entire history
 

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No you are deluded if you think we are going to find points easy to come by if we continue to play as we are.
Very happy to be proved wrong but I’ll take 17th now
100% agree SOB. We have lost our way a bit and now letting in goals without scoring too many. Squad and management needs to pick it up.

A couple of additions in jan are needed
 

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Lossl been here a few weeks now. I wonder if the coaching team will stick with AF, as I expected him to be replaced today?
 

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Still think he was correct to play him? Also think he should still start Wednesday?
I think TF should give Lossl a go Wednesday. Alvaro has been in goal for three months solid now and he’s not getting better or adjusted to Prem life. In fact his form is going backwards.

He’s lost confidence and the defence has in him, if they even had it in the first place.
 

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Hopefully raya back soon as after next weekends game not got another league game until 9th Feb given us another 3 weeks to get him ready.
Thomas did say it was good news from the knee specialist in the week
 

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I sh*t my pants every time the opposition have a corner, freekick, get anywhere near the box or when he has the ball at his feet.

He was thrown in at the deep end, has made some fantastic saves but I’d pick Lossl against MUFC.

If Alvaro gets picked for Wednesday, everyone in the ground needs to get behind him 👏🏻🐝
 

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Don't know, but could the lack of communication be because Fernandez doesn't speak English very well. Can anyone who's met him say?
 

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Don't know, but could the lack of communication be because Fernandez doesn't speak English very well. Can anyone who's met him say?
His English is fine. Better than my Spanish.... :sorted:

He did an interview after the Stoke game.
 

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my mate told me he is on loan today? is it true?
 

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References please. Otherwise this will go down as bullshit
1) MATTHEW COX is in line to become the youngest goalkeeper to play in the Premier League this season.

SunSport understands the Brentford teenager, 18, was due to start against Manchester United with first-choice Alvaro Fernandez unavailable.

2) Brentford goalkeeper Matthew Cox had been selected to make his debut against Manchester United on Tuesday night before the postponement, Football Insider can exclusively reveal.


And by the way I said Thomas was "prepared" to throw Cox in...I didn't say he did.
 
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Hopefully raya back soon as after next weekends game not got another league game until 9th Feb given us another 3 weeks to get him ready.
Thomas did say it was good news from the knee specialist in the week

I heard outside chance he could be ready for the Arsenal game but realistically not before the Newcastle game (again if progress is made with no set backs).
 

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1) MATTHEW COX is in line to become the youngest goalkeeper to play in the Premier League this season.

SunSport understands the Brentford teenager, 18, was due to start against Manchester United with first-choice Alvaro Fernandez unavailable.

2) Brentford goalkeeper Matthew Cox had been selected to make his debut against Manchester United on Tuesday night before the postponement, Football Insider can exclusively reveal.


And by the way I said Thomas was "prepared" to throw Cox in...I didn't say he did.
Which is all correct, but you will note that we asked for that game to be postponed, and we got it postponed on the basis that we had no experienced keeper!

So we weren't prepared to play him, and we went out of our way to get the game postponed.

QED.


Also for "Football Insider", read "person that can use google"
 

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23 points by middle of January says I’m right.
But cannot see where next points are going to come. We are in freefall and need some major change - formation, goalkeeper, midfield balance
 
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